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“In both cases, if I wanted the gov benfits of tax and visitation and such, I would go to the courthouse and fill out a form explaining our union to the Gov. On that form the word “marriage” would be absent. It is a contractual agreement between me and ________ to take care of each other in a economic and social way so as to improve the lives of both parties.”Right. That should be legal. But it’s not. It sounds like you think it should be. Do you?
Participant“It’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.”
First of all, I didn’t concede almost all of your points.
And if incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy were the issues being debated here, perhaps I would be a cheerleader for them. But they’re not.
“Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.”
No, but they do have the enlightened portion of the population on their side.
“As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.”
If that’s what you want to argue, then argue it and we’ll go from there. But I think you also think they were brainwashed and I don’t think you’re ready to say that they weren’t.
“your liberal idealogues.”
I don’t have any liberal idealogues. I come up with my own ideas.“Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.”
Meet meadandale. And welcome to the 1950’s. Just because something doesn’t conform doesn’t mean it should be illegal.
“Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?”
We as a society have fortunately moved to a place where doing things that harm others is usually illegal. We frown upon human sacrifice because it causes harm to an innocent person. Do you really need me to answer that for you?
Participant“It’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.”
First of all, I didn’t concede almost all of your points.
And if incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy were the issues being debated here, perhaps I would be a cheerleader for them. But they’re not.
“Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.”
No, but they do have the enlightened portion of the population on their side.
“As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.”
If that’s what you want to argue, then argue it and we’ll go from there. But I think you also think they were brainwashed and I don’t think you’re ready to say that they weren’t.
“your liberal idealogues.”
I don’t have any liberal idealogues. I come up with my own ideas.“Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.”
Meet meadandale. And welcome to the 1950’s. Just because something doesn’t conform doesn’t mean it should be illegal.
“Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?”
We as a society have fortunately moved to a place where doing things that harm others is usually illegal. We frown upon human sacrifice because it causes harm to an innocent person. Do you really need me to answer that for you?
Participant“It’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.”
First of all, I didn’t concede almost all of your points.
And if incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy were the issues being debated here, perhaps I would be a cheerleader for them. But they’re not.
“Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.”
No, but they do have the enlightened portion of the population on their side.
“As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.”
If that’s what you want to argue, then argue it and we’ll go from there. But I think you also think they were brainwashed and I don’t think you’re ready to say that they weren’t.
“your liberal idealogues.”
I don’t have any liberal idealogues. I come up with my own ideas.“Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.”
Meet meadandale. And welcome to the 1950’s. Just because something doesn’t conform doesn’t mean it should be illegal.
“Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?”
We as a society have fortunately moved to a place where doing things that harm others is usually illegal. We frown upon human sacrifice because it causes harm to an innocent person. Do you really need me to answer that for you?
Participant“It’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.”
First of all, I didn’t concede almost all of your points.
And if incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy were the issues being debated here, perhaps I would be a cheerleader for them. But they’re not.
“Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.”
No, but they do have the enlightened portion of the population on their side.
“As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.”
If that’s what you want to argue, then argue it and we’ll go from there. But I think you also think they were brainwashed and I don’t think you’re ready to say that they weren’t.
“your liberal idealogues.”
I don’t have any liberal idealogues. I come up with my own ideas.“Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.”
Meet meadandale. And welcome to the 1950’s. Just because something doesn’t conform doesn’t mean it should be illegal.
“Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?”
We as a society have fortunately moved to a place where doing things that harm others is usually illegal. We frown upon human sacrifice because it causes harm to an innocent person. Do you really need me to answer that for you?
Participant“It’s funny that you concede almost all of my points yet I don’t see you being a cheerleader for incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy.”
First of all, I didn’t concede almost all of your points.
And if incest rights, lowering the age of consent or eliminating the prohibition against polygamy were the issues being debated here, perhaps I would be a cheerleader for them. But they’re not.
“Apparently the homesexual ‘lobby’ has strong enough financial backing to build the grassroots groundswell of support.”
No, but they do have the enlightened portion of the population on their side.
“As to being brainwashed, that’s YOUR opinion. I could argue that many of your views are the result of ‘brainwashing’ by the media and your liberal idealogues.”
If that’s what you want to argue, then argue it and we’ll go from there. But I think you also think they were brainwashed and I don’t think you’re ready to say that they weren’t.
“your liberal idealogues.”
I don’t have any liberal idealogues. I come up with my own ideas.“Finally, you may disagree with the notion of ‘social norms’ but they are a fact of life unless you are a hermit. Even if you were living in a commune, there would be things that are aren’t ‘acceptable’.”
Meet meadandale. And welcome to the 1950’s. Just because something doesn’t conform doesn’t mean it should be illegal.
“Cannibalism, murder, polygamy, etc ad nauseum–virtually anything that you can think of is subject to cultural and societal influences. Human sacrifice used to be common amongst some quite advanced cultures. Today we mostly frown upon it. How come? We certainly don’t have a problem killing our enemies. Why not capture them live and gut them on an altar to appease our ‘god’?”
We as a society have fortunately moved to a place where doing things that harm others is usually illegal. We frown upon human sacrifice because it causes harm to an innocent person. Do you really need me to answer that for you?
Participant“Our sex organs prove that two humans of the same sex aren’t made to be togeether romantically/sexually. So, why should we legalize a same sex union?”
Our sex organs don’t “prove” any such thing. Homosexuals do a fine job of pleasing each other just the way they are. And what does that have to do with a legal same sex union, anyway?
“A lot of you support gay unions so that individuals in such unions can have property and financial rights, etc. I say do it some other way. Slap another name on it, but don’t confuse our youth and say it’s marriage. We all know that marriage as defined by the societal norm that has been a part of this country since its inception is based upon a union between a man and a woman-supported by basic biology.”
Why not say it’s marriage? And how does that confuse our youth. We shouldn’t teach our youth about the world as we fantasize it to be. We should teach them about the world as it really is. And some people are homosexuals. It’s not a choice (for most of them). It’s the way they’re born.
Participant“Our sex organs prove that two humans of the same sex aren’t made to be togeether romantically/sexually. So, why should we legalize a same sex union?”
Our sex organs don’t “prove” any such thing. Homosexuals do a fine job of pleasing each other just the way they are. And what does that have to do with a legal same sex union, anyway?
“A lot of you support gay unions so that individuals in such unions can have property and financial rights, etc. I say do it some other way. Slap another name on it, but don’t confuse our youth and say it’s marriage. We all know that marriage as defined by the societal norm that has been a part of this country since its inception is based upon a union between a man and a woman-supported by basic biology.”
Why not say it’s marriage? And how does that confuse our youth. We shouldn’t teach our youth about the world as we fantasize it to be. We should teach them about the world as it really is. And some people are homosexuals. It’s not a choice (for most of them). It’s the way they’re born.
Participant“Our sex organs prove that two humans of the same sex aren’t made to be togeether romantically/sexually. So, why should we legalize a same sex union?”
Our sex organs don’t “prove” any such thing. Homosexuals do a fine job of pleasing each other just the way they are. And what does that have to do with a legal same sex union, anyway?
“A lot of you support gay unions so that individuals in such unions can have property and financial rights, etc. I say do it some other way. Slap another name on it, but don’t confuse our youth and say it’s marriage. We all know that marriage as defined by the societal norm that has been a part of this country since its inception is based upon a union between a man and a woman-supported by basic biology.”
Why not say it’s marriage? And how does that confuse our youth. We shouldn’t teach our youth about the world as we fantasize it to be. We should teach them about the world as it really is. And some people are homosexuals. It’s not a choice (for most of them). It’s the way they’re born.
Participant“Our sex organs prove that two humans of the same sex aren’t made to be togeether romantically/sexually. So, why should we legalize a same sex union?”
Our sex organs don’t “prove” any such thing. Homosexuals do a fine job of pleasing each other just the way they are. And what does that have to do with a legal same sex union, anyway?
“A lot of you support gay unions so that individuals in such unions can have property and financial rights, etc. I say do it some other way. Slap another name on it, but don’t confuse our youth and say it’s marriage. We all know that marriage as defined by the societal norm that has been a part of this country since its inception is based upon a union between a man and a woman-supported by basic biology.”
Why not say it’s marriage? And how does that confuse our youth. We shouldn’t teach our youth about the world as we fantasize it to be. We should teach them about the world as it really is. And some people are homosexuals. It’s not a choice (for most of them). It’s the way they’re born.
Participant“Our sex organs prove that two humans of the same sex aren’t made to be togeether romantically/sexually. So, why should we legalize a same sex union?”
Our sex organs don’t “prove” any such thing. Homosexuals do a fine job of pleasing each other just the way they are. And what does that have to do with a legal same sex union, anyway?
“A lot of you support gay unions so that individuals in such unions can have property and financial rights, etc. I say do it some other way. Slap another name on it, but don’t confuse our youth and say it’s marriage. We all know that marriage as defined by the societal norm that has been a part of this country since its inception is based upon a union between a man and a woman-supported by basic biology.”
Why not say it’s marriage? And how does that confuse our youth. We shouldn’t teach our youth about the world as we fantasize it to be. We should teach them about the world as it really is. And some people are homosexuals. It’s not a choice (for most of them). It’s the way they’re born.
Participant(dumbrenter): Maybe it is time to ask… why should any marriage be related to taxes/insurance/inheritance etc. ?
That I agree with.
Participant(dumbrenter): Maybe it is time to ask… why should any marriage be related to taxes/insurance/inheritance etc. ?
That I agree with.
Participant(dumbrenter): Maybe it is time to ask… why should any marriage be related to taxes/insurance/inheritance etc. ?
That I agree with.
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