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Participant[quote=XBoxBoy] I live in California and California will cast all of its electoral college votes for the Democratic nominee. [/quote]
I agree with you about CA. My argument only works in the states that are close.
[quote=XBoxBoy] And so my question was, and still is to those of you who post on Piggington’s with Pro McCain attitudes, how can you do that with a straight face? [/quote]
I don’t believe anybody has ever been pro-McCain. Everybody knew he is not a conservative. Even McCain in the primaries was a “better of two evils” selection, what do you expect now?
As bad as Obama is going to be, and as long as he doesn’t get to appoint any judges, I think it will help us get a fiscal conservative back in office next time. It might not come from the Republican Party but from a third party. The question remains, though, can a third party candidate win?
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy] I live in California and California will cast all of its electoral college votes for the Democratic nominee. [/quote]
I agree with you about CA. My argument only works in the states that are close.
[quote=XBoxBoy] And so my question was, and still is to those of you who post on Piggington’s with Pro McCain attitudes, how can you do that with a straight face? [/quote]
I don’t believe anybody has ever been pro-McCain. Everybody knew he is not a conservative. Even McCain in the primaries was a “better of two evils” selection, what do you expect now?
As bad as Obama is going to be, and as long as he doesn’t get to appoint any judges, I think it will help us get a fiscal conservative back in office next time. It might not come from the Republican Party but from a third party. The question remains, though, can a third party candidate win?
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy] I live in California and California will cast all of its electoral college votes for the Democratic nominee. [/quote]
I agree with you about CA. My argument only works in the states that are close.
[quote=XBoxBoy] And so my question was, and still is to those of you who post on Piggington’s with Pro McCain attitudes, how can you do that with a straight face? [/quote]
I don’t believe anybody has ever been pro-McCain. Everybody knew he is not a conservative. Even McCain in the primaries was a “better of two evils” selection, what do you expect now?
As bad as Obama is going to be, and as long as he doesn’t get to appoint any judges, I think it will help us get a fiscal conservative back in office next time. It might not come from the Republican Party but from a third party. The question remains, though, can a third party candidate win?
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy] I live in California and California will cast all of its electoral college votes for the Democratic nominee. [/quote]
I agree with you about CA. My argument only works in the states that are close.
[quote=XBoxBoy] And so my question was, and still is to those of you who post on Piggington’s with Pro McCain attitudes, how can you do that with a straight face? [/quote]
I don’t believe anybody has ever been pro-McCain. Everybody knew he is not a conservative. Even McCain in the primaries was a “better of two evils” selection, what do you expect now?
As bad as Obama is going to be, and as long as he doesn’t get to appoint any judges, I think it will help us get a fiscal conservative back in office next time. It might not come from the Republican Party but from a third party. The question remains, though, can a third party candidate win?
Participant[quote=esmith]…McCain seems to be saying, let’s take all upside-down bubble owner occupied mortgages and rewrite them as fixed-rate mortgages…[/quote]
I think the problem we have with helping underwater homeowners is our sense of justice. I am a renter and even if I knew for sure that McCain’s plan would somehow benefit me more than any other plan (work with me here, I know it’s impossible) I would still be against it because it is not just.
As for the plan itself, I sure hope that he is very selective in who he helps out. If you took out a HELOC and blew it on a boat, you should not be getting help. If you didn’t put any money down, you should not be getting help. Nobody should be getting help, but if somebody must be first in line to get it, it should be the people actually made a down payment and never took out a HELOC.
Participant[quote=esmith]…McCain seems to be saying, let’s take all upside-down bubble owner occupied mortgages and rewrite them as fixed-rate mortgages…[/quote]
I think the problem we have with helping underwater homeowners is our sense of justice. I am a renter and even if I knew for sure that McCain’s plan would somehow benefit me more than any other plan (work with me here, I know it’s impossible) I would still be against it because it is not just.
As for the plan itself, I sure hope that he is very selective in who he helps out. If you took out a HELOC and blew it on a boat, you should not be getting help. If you didn’t put any money down, you should not be getting help. Nobody should be getting help, but if somebody must be first in line to get it, it should be the people actually made a down payment and never took out a HELOC.
Participant[quote=esmith]…McCain seems to be saying, let’s take all upside-down bubble owner occupied mortgages and rewrite them as fixed-rate mortgages…[/quote]
I think the problem we have with helping underwater homeowners is our sense of justice. I am a renter and even if I knew for sure that McCain’s plan would somehow benefit me more than any other plan (work with me here, I know it’s impossible) I would still be against it because it is not just.
As for the plan itself, I sure hope that he is very selective in who he helps out. If you took out a HELOC and blew it on a boat, you should not be getting help. If you didn’t put any money down, you should not be getting help. Nobody should be getting help, but if somebody must be first in line to get it, it should be the people actually made a down payment and never took out a HELOC.
Participant[quote=esmith]…McCain seems to be saying, let’s take all upside-down bubble owner occupied mortgages and rewrite them as fixed-rate mortgages…[/quote]
I think the problem we have with helping underwater homeowners is our sense of justice. I am a renter and even if I knew for sure that McCain’s plan would somehow benefit me more than any other plan (work with me here, I know it’s impossible) I would still be against it because it is not just.
As for the plan itself, I sure hope that he is very selective in who he helps out. If you took out a HELOC and blew it on a boat, you should not be getting help. If you didn’t put any money down, you should not be getting help. Nobody should be getting help, but if somebody must be first in line to get it, it should be the people actually made a down payment and never took out a HELOC.
Participant[quote=esmith]…McCain seems to be saying, let’s take all upside-down bubble owner occupied mortgages and rewrite them as fixed-rate mortgages…[/quote]
I think the problem we have with helping underwater homeowners is our sense of justice. I am a renter and even if I knew for sure that McCain’s plan would somehow benefit me more than any other plan (work with me here, I know it’s impossible) I would still be against it because it is not just.
As for the plan itself, I sure hope that he is very selective in who he helps out. If you took out a HELOC and blew it on a boat, you should not be getting help. If you didn’t put any money down, you should not be getting help. Nobody should be getting help, but if somebody must be first in line to get it, it should be the people actually made a down payment and never took out a HELOC.
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]My question isn’t which is better, my question is how can anyone possibly support this kind of nonsense with a straight face?[/quote]
We can safely assume that either Obama or McCain will be the next president. From a purely logical/realist standpoint, your vote or non-vote is going to influence which one will be in office. That is all there is to it. Which one would you prefer? We are not in 3rd grade anymore and cannot say, “I wouldn’t prefer either.” You are lying to yourself if you think your vote isn’t going to be a factor in deciding which one will be President.
Join a campaign, volunteer, or run yourself. Voting is our right, but it is the minium we can do to serve our own ends and your country’s.
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]My question isn’t which is better, my question is how can anyone possibly support this kind of nonsense with a straight face?[/quote]
We can safely assume that either Obama or McCain will be the next president. From a purely logical/realist standpoint, your vote or non-vote is going to influence which one will be in office. That is all there is to it. Which one would you prefer? We are not in 3rd grade anymore and cannot say, “I wouldn’t prefer either.” You are lying to yourself if you think your vote isn’t going to be a factor in deciding which one will be President.
Join a campaign, volunteer, or run yourself. Voting is our right, but it is the minium we can do to serve our own ends and your country’s.
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]My question isn’t which is better, my question is how can anyone possibly support this kind of nonsense with a straight face?[/quote]
We can safely assume that either Obama or McCain will be the next president. From a purely logical/realist standpoint, your vote or non-vote is going to influence which one will be in office. That is all there is to it. Which one would you prefer? We are not in 3rd grade anymore and cannot say, “I wouldn’t prefer either.” You are lying to yourself if you think your vote isn’t going to be a factor in deciding which one will be President.
Join a campaign, volunteer, or run yourself. Voting is our right, but it is the minium we can do to serve our own ends and your country’s.
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]My question isn’t which is better, my question is how can anyone possibly support this kind of nonsense with a straight face?[/quote]
We can safely assume that either Obama or McCain will be the next president. From a purely logical/realist standpoint, your vote or non-vote is going to influence which one will be in office. That is all there is to it. Which one would you prefer? We are not in 3rd grade anymore and cannot say, “I wouldn’t prefer either.” You are lying to yourself if you think your vote isn’t going to be a factor in deciding which one will be President.
Join a campaign, volunteer, or run yourself. Voting is our right, but it is the minium we can do to serve our own ends and your country’s.
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]My question isn’t which is better, my question is how can anyone possibly support this kind of nonsense with a straight face?[/quote]
We can safely assume that either Obama or McCain will be the next president. From a purely logical/realist standpoint, your vote or non-vote is going to influence which one will be in office. That is all there is to it. Which one would you prefer? We are not in 3rd grade anymore and cannot say, “I wouldn’t prefer either.” You are lying to yourself if you think your vote isn’t going to be a factor in deciding which one will be President.
Join a campaign, volunteer, or run yourself. Voting is our right, but it is the minium we can do to serve our own ends and your country’s.
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