[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: That was the year JFK was shot, right? So, yeah, I think so.

Actually, it was around 1982 – 1983. Bijou closed in 1985. Don’t be a hater, man. You were hanging out in downtown Mountain View back then, weren’t you? Over by Colonel Lee’s Mongolian BBQ? Had your Ramones shirt on and driving your big brother’s VW Microbus?[/quote]
Okay, I am from the north bay.
I say San Francisco because if I say I am from an area where people freely wear a hammer-and-sickle next to their confederate flag sticker on their bumper, it makes their heads explode.

For those of you who don’t know, the far north of this state is where a lot of hippie types moved after the whole Haight-ashbury thing started winding down.

The results were mixed.
Generally, if somebody has a hippie name, it means their parents are hippies and they are shit-kicking hicks. Nothing is lamer than explaining that you got beat up by a black toothed illiterate named “Harvest” who drives an old chevy with a gun rack (and who worships crystals).

Further, there is no easy way to explain to somebody that being gay really excludes them from wearing a swastika on their jacket.

I have been to birthday parties as a teenager where booze and red meat were not allowed but mom was baking pot brownies.

The usual associations are all fucked up if you are not from there. EG: the point at which I realized my old coffee shop had become a major exchange and meeting point for people making investments in marijuana ventures. Or, perhaps the point at which I realized the most dangerous gangsters were the ones who wear rasta hats and keep .45’s tucked under their flannel.

Its kind of like “The Wire” and Nirvana and Appalachia had a very confused child.

Still…I do miss it.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan: That was the year JFK was shot, right? So, yeah, I think so.

Actually, it was around 1982 – 1983. Bijou closed in 1985. Don’t be a hater, man. You were hanging out in downtown Mountain View back then, weren’t you? Over by Colonel Lee’s Mongolian BBQ? Had your Ramones shirt on and driving your big brother’s VW Microbus?[/quote]
Okay, I am from the north bay.
I say San Francisco because if I say I am from an area where people freely wear a hammer-and-sickle next to their confederate flag sticker on their bumper, it makes their heads explode.

For those of you who don’t know, the far north of this state is where a lot of hippie types moved after the whole Haight-ashbury thing started winding down.

The results were mixed.
Generally, if somebody has a hippie name, it means their parents are hippies and they are shit-kicking hicks. Nothing is lamer than explaining that you got beat up by a black toothed illiterate named “Harvest” who drives an old chevy with a gun rack (and who worships crystals).

Further, there is no easy way to explain to somebody that being gay really excludes them from wearing a swastika on their jacket.

I have been to birthday parties as a teenager where booze and red meat were not allowed but mom was baking pot brownies.

The usual associations are all fucked up if you are not from there. EG: the point at which I realized my old coffee shop had become a major exchange and meeting point for people making investments in marijuana ventures. Or, perhaps the point at which I realized the most dangerous gangsters were the ones who wear rasta hats and keep .45’s tucked under their flannel.

Its kind of like “The Wire” and Nirvana and Appalachia had a very confused child.

Still…I do miss it.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Afx: The hot spot for the “intelligentsia” when I was in high school was the Bijou Theater in downtown Palo Alto (right down the road from Stanford University). It showed art house films and offered these great political and social discussions featuring Djarum smoking, Benetton clad, BMW and Benz driving bougie white kids discussing the evils of capitalism and how to “fight the power”.

I don’t think it dawned on any of them that they were the very power they were planning on fighting.

As Pogo so aptly put it: “We have met the enemy and he is us”.[/quote]

That was what?
1963?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Afx: The hot spot for the “intelligentsia” when I was in high school was the Bijou Theater in downtown Palo Alto (right down the road from Stanford University). It showed art house films and offered these great political and social discussions featuring Djarum smoking, Benetton clad, BMW and Benz driving bougie white kids discussing the evils of capitalism and how to “fight the power”.

I don’t think it dawned on any of them that they were the very power they were planning on fighting.

As Pogo so aptly put it: “We have met the enemy and he is us”.[/quote]

That was what?
1963?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Afx: The hot spot for the “intelligentsia” when I was in high school was the Bijou Theater in downtown Palo Alto (right down the road from Stanford University). It showed art house films and offered these great political and social discussions featuring Djarum smoking, Benetton clad, BMW and Benz driving bougie white kids discussing the evils of capitalism and how to “fight the power”.

I don’t think it dawned on any of them that they were the very power they were planning on fighting.

As Pogo so aptly put it: “We have met the enemy and he is us”.[/quote]

That was what?
1963?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Afx: The hot spot for the “intelligentsia” when I was in high school was the Bijou Theater in downtown Palo Alto (right down the road from Stanford University). It showed art house films and offered these great political and social discussions featuring Djarum smoking, Benetton clad, BMW and Benz driving bougie white kids discussing the evils of capitalism and how to “fight the power”.

I don’t think it dawned on any of them that they were the very power they were planning on fighting.

As Pogo so aptly put it: “We have met the enemy and he is us”.[/quote]

That was what?
1963?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Afx: The hot spot for the “intelligentsia” when I was in high school was the Bijou Theater in downtown Palo Alto (right down the road from Stanford University). It showed art house films and offered these great political and social discussions featuring Djarum smoking, Benetton clad, BMW and Benz driving bougie white kids discussing the evils of capitalism and how to “fight the power”.

I don’t think it dawned on any of them that they were the very power they were planning on fighting.

As Pogo so aptly put it: “We have met the enemy and he is us”.[/quote]

That was what?
1963?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sdgrrl].

Any way I would like some examples of where socialism has failed aside from Hitler’s Germany and not examples of Communism.

Shannon[/quote]

Easy.
Sweden, Germany, Japan, Denmark.

Wait.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sdgrrl].

Any way I would like some examples of where socialism has failed aside from Hitler’s Germany and not examples of Communism.

Shannon[/quote]

Easy.
Sweden, Germany, Japan, Denmark.

Wait.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sdgrrl].

Any way I would like some examples of where socialism has failed aside from Hitler’s Germany and not examples of Communism.

Shannon[/quote]

Easy.
Sweden, Germany, Japan, Denmark.

Wait.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sdgrrl].

Any way I would like some examples of where socialism has failed aside from Hitler’s Germany and not examples of Communism.

Shannon[/quote]

Easy.
Sweden, Germany, Japan, Denmark.

Wait.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sdgrrl].

Any way I would like some examples of where socialism has failed aside from Hitler’s Germany and not examples of Communism.

Shannon[/quote]

Easy.
Sweden, Germany, Japan, Denmark.

Wait.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Arraya]Actually our longest and most successful social organization was tribal for about 3 million years(depending on you success metrics). This was universal before we developed agriculture and the concept of owning the earth, which popped up about 8-10,000 years ago. Most likely, weather pattern changes which produced the need for agriculture. Most tribes were egalitarian and everybody had equal access to resources. If anything, that is what we are psychologically hardwired for just by looking time scales. Marx understood this. During this time we did not need “isms”, to be scared of or to revere. Actually, post-agriculture humans became less healthy, shorter and worked 2-3 times more, except for the ones divined by god to rule, up until science.

All our “isms” are of relatively new design and came into play when we realized we were getting jacked over by assholes who said they ruled by divine right. Which started during the earliest forms civilization in the middle east, personified by the god king in egypt and followed all the way up to the monarchs in europe, up to a few hundred years ago.

The US was a leap away from the divine right concept. Of course, we had slaves(which we justified with divine right), wide open land brimming with untapped natural resources, a few new cool technologies and included the mass dispossession and genocide of a people(which we justified with divine right).[/quote]

Yeah uhhh no.
Most tribes of hunter-gatherers had/have fairly elaborate (though seldom obvious) hierarchies.

The San tribes of the eastern Kalihari (best known for “The Gods Must Be Crazy”) have whole journals written about social hierarchy and how it is hidden from outsiders (partly to avoid social tension).

As if you needed more evidence that I am a geek.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Arraya]Actually our longest and most successful social organization was tribal for about 3 million years(depending on you success metrics). This was universal before we developed agriculture and the concept of owning the earth, which popped up about 8-10,000 years ago. Most likely, weather pattern changes which produced the need for agriculture. Most tribes were egalitarian and everybody had equal access to resources. If anything, that is what we are psychologically hardwired for just by looking time scales. Marx understood this. During this time we did not need “isms”, to be scared of or to revere. Actually, post-agriculture humans became less healthy, shorter and worked 2-3 times more, except for the ones divined by god to rule, up until science.

All our “isms” are of relatively new design and came into play when we realized we were getting jacked over by assholes who said they ruled by divine right. Which started during the earliest forms civilization in the middle east, personified by the god king in egypt and followed all the way up to the monarchs in europe, up to a few hundred years ago.

The US was a leap away from the divine right concept. Of course, we had slaves(which we justified with divine right), wide open land brimming with untapped natural resources, a few new cool technologies and included the mass dispossession and genocide of a people(which we justified with divine right).[/quote]

Yeah uhhh no.
Most tribes of hunter-gatherers had/have fairly elaborate (though seldom obvious) hierarchies.

The San tribes of the eastern Kalihari (best known for “The Gods Must Be Crazy”) have whole journals written about social hierarchy and how it is hidden from outsiders (partly to avoid social tension).

As if you needed more evidence that I am a geek.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Arraya]Actually our longest and most successful social organization was tribal for about 3 million years(depending on you success metrics). This was universal before we developed agriculture and the concept of owning the earth, which popped up about 8-10,000 years ago. Most likely, weather pattern changes which produced the need for agriculture. Most tribes were egalitarian and everybody had equal access to resources. If anything, that is what we are psychologically hardwired for just by looking time scales. Marx understood this. During this time we did not need “isms”, to be scared of or to revere. Actually, post-agriculture humans became less healthy, shorter and worked 2-3 times more, except for the ones divined by god to rule, up until science.

All our “isms” are of relatively new design and came into play when we realized we were getting jacked over by assholes who said they ruled by divine right. Which started during the earliest forms civilization in the middle east, personified by the god king in egypt and followed all the way up to the monarchs in europe, up to a few hundred years ago.

The US was a leap away from the divine right concept. Of course, we had slaves(which we justified with divine right), wide open land brimming with untapped natural resources, a few new cool technologies and included the mass dispossession and genocide of a people(which we justified with divine right).[/quote]

Yeah uhhh no.
Most tribes of hunter-gatherers had/have fairly elaborate (though seldom obvious) hierarchies.

The San tribes of the eastern Kalihari (best known for “The Gods Must Be Crazy”) have whole journals written about social hierarchy and how it is hidden from outsiders (partly to avoid social tension).

As if you needed more evidence that I am a geek.

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