[ucodegen]

Recent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…

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If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.

How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.

[ucodegen]

Recent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…

..

If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.

How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.

[ucodegen]

Recent polling shows that most physicians support reform, and a public option (or even stronger) in a wider margin than the general public.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…

..

If you can identify bias in the polling data, I invite you to do so.

How about the fact that when you go to Scripts Hospital for an MRI, you will get a discount of aproximately 30% if you pay direct with your own cash/check than if they have to deal with your insurance. Considering they are giving up somewhere around $300 just not to have to deal with insurance makes the preference quite clear.

[ucodegen]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine…

Vaccines, atleast in theory (…) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

I am quite aware of how vaccines work. Vaccines don’t make your immune system stronger though. This is why I wrote “are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection. After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.”

What a vaccine does is ‘teach’ the immune system the antigens for a specific virus or groups of viruses by presenting the immune system with the proteins/polysaccharides from the outer shell of the virus. The virus is not viable in the vaccine. While doing this ‘primes’ the body to mount a defense, it also may create the problem that when presented with a real virus that the body has not yet seen, the body would attack it as if it were the antigens from a vaccine as opposed to a viable virus and not mount an all out attack because all of the previous times it was a vaccine and not the real thing. A vaccine can not continue the attack or grow the attack because the virus is not viable, it is only the protein/polysaccharide coat of the virus. A real virus would actually attack a cell and produce more copies of itself. The immune system has to move quickly and mount an all-out attack. The delay in or weak response to a new virus gives the virus time to get a better foothold.

Using the Mother cat/kitten analogy, overuse in vaccines might be like the mother cat never stopping the ‘teaching’. The kitten never learns the actual hunt.. but only ‘kills’ the food when it is presented.

When people who have never had the flu shot are given one for the first time, often they get very ill. That is because the body is reading it as a real attack and mounts an all-out offensive. It sees a crap load of foreign proteins/polysaccharides entering the body and ramps up fast. When flu shots are given to someone who regularly takes them, the body doesn’t ramp up as fast because you have taught it that while these proteins/polysaccharides are foreign, they don’t multiply/spread quickly.

The result may be a developed dependency on flu-vaccines because the body no longer ramps up fast enough to the real thing.

[ucodegen]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine…

Vaccines, atleast in theory (…) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

I am quite aware of how vaccines work. Vaccines don’t make your immune system stronger though. This is why I wrote “are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection. After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.”

What a vaccine does is ‘teach’ the immune system the antigens for a specific virus or groups of viruses by presenting the immune system with the proteins/polysaccharides from the outer shell of the virus. The virus is not viable in the vaccine. While doing this ‘primes’ the body to mount a defense, it also may create the problem that when presented with a real virus that the body has not yet seen, the body would attack it as if it were the antigens from a vaccine as opposed to a viable virus and not mount an all out attack because all of the previous times it was a vaccine and not the real thing. A vaccine can not continue the attack or grow the attack because the virus is not viable, it is only the protein/polysaccharide coat of the virus. A real virus would actually attack a cell and produce more copies of itself. The immune system has to move quickly and mount an all-out attack. The delay in or weak response to a new virus gives the virus time to get a better foothold.

Using the Mother cat/kitten analogy, overuse in vaccines might be like the mother cat never stopping the ‘teaching’. The kitten never learns the actual hunt.. but only ‘kills’ the food when it is presented.

When people who have never had the flu shot are given one for the first time, often they get very ill. That is because the body is reading it as a real attack and mounts an all-out offensive. It sees a crap load of foreign proteins/polysaccharides entering the body and ramps up fast. When flu shots are given to someone who regularly takes them, the body doesn’t ramp up as fast because you have taught it that while these proteins/polysaccharides are foreign, they don’t multiply/spread quickly.

The result may be a developed dependency on flu-vaccines because the body no longer ramps up fast enough to the real thing.

[ucodegen]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine…

Vaccines, atleast in theory (…) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

I am quite aware of how vaccines work. Vaccines don’t make your immune system stronger though. This is why I wrote “are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection. After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.”

What a vaccine does is ‘teach’ the immune system the antigens for a specific virus or groups of viruses by presenting the immune system with the proteins/polysaccharides from the outer shell of the virus. The virus is not viable in the vaccine. While doing this ‘primes’ the body to mount a defense, it also may create the problem that when presented with a real virus that the body has not yet seen, the body would attack it as if it were the antigens from a vaccine as opposed to a viable virus and not mount an all out attack because all of the previous times it was a vaccine and not the real thing. A vaccine can not continue the attack or grow the attack because the virus is not viable, it is only the protein/polysaccharide coat of the virus. A real virus would actually attack a cell and produce more copies of itself. The immune system has to move quickly and mount an all-out attack. The delay in or weak response to a new virus gives the virus time to get a better foothold.

Using the Mother cat/kitten analogy, overuse in vaccines might be like the mother cat never stopping the ‘teaching’. The kitten never learns the actual hunt.. but only ‘kills’ the food when it is presented.

When people who have never had the flu shot are given one for the first time, often they get very ill. That is because the body is reading it as a real attack and mounts an all-out offensive. It sees a crap load of foreign proteins/polysaccharides entering the body and ramps up fast. When flu shots are given to someone who regularly takes them, the body doesn’t ramp up as fast because you have taught it that while these proteins/polysaccharides are foreign, they don’t multiply/spread quickly.

The result may be a developed dependency on flu-vaccines because the body no longer ramps up fast enough to the real thing.

[ucodegen]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine…

Vaccines, atleast in theory (…) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

I am quite aware of how vaccines work. Vaccines don’t make your immune system stronger though. This is why I wrote “are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection. After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.”

What a vaccine does is ‘teach’ the immune system the antigens for a specific virus or groups of viruses by presenting the immune system with the proteins/polysaccharides from the outer shell of the virus. The virus is not viable in the vaccine. While doing this ‘primes’ the body to mount a defense, it also may create the problem that when presented with a real virus that the body has not yet seen, the body would attack it as if it were the antigens from a vaccine as opposed to a viable virus and not mount an all out attack because all of the previous times it was a vaccine and not the real thing. A vaccine can not continue the attack or grow the attack because the virus is not viable, it is only the protein/polysaccharide coat of the virus. A real virus would actually attack a cell and produce more copies of itself. The immune system has to move quickly and mount an all-out attack. The delay in or weak response to a new virus gives the virus time to get a better foothold.

Using the Mother cat/kitten analogy, overuse in vaccines might be like the mother cat never stopping the ‘teaching’. The kitten never learns the actual hunt.. but only ‘kills’ the food when it is presented.

When people who have never had the flu shot are given one for the first time, often they get very ill. That is because the body is reading it as a real attack and mounts an all-out offensive. It sees a crap load of foreign proteins/polysaccharides entering the body and ramps up fast. When flu shots are given to someone who regularly takes them, the body doesn’t ramp up as fast because you have taught it that while these proteins/polysaccharides are foreign, they don’t multiply/spread quickly.

The result may be a developed dependency on flu-vaccines because the body no longer ramps up fast enough to the real thing.

[ucodegen]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine…

Vaccines, atleast in theory (…) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

I am quite aware of how vaccines work. Vaccines don’t make your immune system stronger though. This is why I wrote “are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection. After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.”

What a vaccine does is ‘teach’ the immune system the antigens for a specific virus or groups of viruses by presenting the immune system with the proteins/polysaccharides from the outer shell of the virus. The virus is not viable in the vaccine. While doing this ‘primes’ the body to mount a defense, it also may create the problem that when presented with a real virus that the body has not yet seen, the body would attack it as if it were the antigens from a vaccine as opposed to a viable virus and not mount an all out attack because all of the previous times it was a vaccine and not the real thing. A vaccine can not continue the attack or grow the attack because the virus is not viable, it is only the protein/polysaccharide coat of the virus. A real virus would actually attack a cell and produce more copies of itself. The immune system has to move quickly and mount an all-out attack. The delay in or weak response to a new virus gives the virus time to get a better foothold.

Using the Mother cat/kitten analogy, overuse in vaccines might be like the mother cat never stopping the ‘teaching’. The kitten never learns the actual hunt.. but only ‘kills’ the food when it is presented.

When people who have never had the flu shot are given one for the first time, often they get very ill. That is because the body is reading it as a real attack and mounts an all-out offensive. It sees a crap load of foreign proteins/polysaccharides entering the body and ramps up fast. When flu shots are given to someone who regularly takes them, the body doesn’t ramp up as fast because you have taught it that while these proteins/polysaccharides are foreign, they don’t multiply/spread quickly.

The result may be a developed dependency on flu-vaccines because the body no longer ramps up fast enough to the real thing.

[ucodegen]

What I have been seeing with BofA, is that if you already have a loan with them with something like a ARM that will reset in about 2 years.. they don’t want you to refi to a fixed at current rates. This is particularly true if you have a pre-payment penalty on that ARM.

If you have a BofA loan, you may want to look at refi-ing outside of BofA.

[ucodegen]

What I have been seeing with BofA, is that if you already have a loan with them with something like a ARM that will reset in about 2 years.. they don’t want you to refi to a fixed at current rates. This is particularly true if you have a pre-payment penalty on that ARM.

If you have a BofA loan, you may want to look at refi-ing outside of BofA.

[ucodegen]

What I have been seeing with BofA, is that if you already have a loan with them with something like a ARM that will reset in about 2 years.. they don’t want you to refi to a fixed at current rates. This is particularly true if you have a pre-payment penalty on that ARM.

If you have a BofA loan, you may want to look at refi-ing outside of BofA.

[ucodegen]

What I have been seeing with BofA, is that if you already have a loan with them with something like a ARM that will reset in about 2 years.. they don’t want you to refi to a fixed at current rates. This is particularly true if you have a pre-payment penalty on that ARM.

If you have a BofA loan, you may want to look at refi-ing outside of BofA.

[ucodegen]

What I have been seeing with BofA, is that if you already have a loan with them with something like a ARM that will reset in about 2 years.. they don’t want you to refi to a fixed at current rates. This is particularly true if you have a pre-payment penalty on that ARM.

If you have a BofA loan, you may want to look at refi-ing outside of BofA.

[ucodegen]

I agree ucodegen. But in order to return to those values we need to dismantle the social safety net. I could support that if we were truly honest at returning to those values of self-sufficiency.

Remember that the Right now is arguing against universal health care because of rationing. The Right should SUPPORT rationing (including medicare benefits). If citizens want something beyond the minimum (socialized health care or not) they should save and pay for it themselves.

I am generally considered a ‘conservative’ and have no problems with this. One of the things that is indirectly being pointed out by the ‘Right’, is that without a form of rationing, nationalized health care would not work. Costs would spiral, but how can you argue when nationalized health is presented as ‘all the health care you need with no additional costs’? We need real debate on this, not the far left labeling people who ask questions as ‘un-American’ or the far right claiming ‘death squads’.

Originally, the ‘safety net’ was supposed to be bare subsistence, below poverty level. I have no problem with this. I have no problem with rationing on health care either. Anything additional is self pay. Somehow, the ‘safety net’ has become something more comfortable than it was supposed to be. Why get off welfare when you can just ‘drop another baby’ and get more.. octamom style?

NOTE: Medicare is an insurance system.. oddly the first attempt at nationalized health system for older adults. It takes about 2.9% of your income during your lifetime.. (actually 1.45% from you and 1.45% from your employer). I can see a problem trying to restrict senior who paid into the system when it wasn’t restricted. The amount paid into it vs. amount being received begs many questions as to where is all that money going?

NOTE: Medicaid is not an insurance program, it rides on US Social Security system, but is better states as part of a welfare medical aid system.

Another note as to religion:
*I tend to be ‘conservative’, but I am not a pro-life/anti-abortion/strongly religious.
*I know several people who vote ‘liberal’, but are very pro-life/anti-abortion/strongly religious.
One needs to keep in mind that being ‘Republican’ does not mean that you are strongly religious, and being ‘Democrat’ doesn’t mean you are not strongly religious. I have several Catholic acquaintances who vote Democratic.

[ucodegen]

I agree ucodegen. But in order to return to those values we need to dismantle the social safety net. I could support that if we were truly honest at returning to those values of self-sufficiency.

Remember that the Right now is arguing against universal health care because of rationing. The Right should SUPPORT rationing (including medicare benefits). If citizens want something beyond the minimum (socialized health care or not) they should save and pay for it themselves.

I am generally considered a ‘conservative’ and have no problems with this. One of the things that is indirectly being pointed out by the ‘Right’, is that without a form of rationing, nationalized health care would not work. Costs would spiral, but how can you argue when nationalized health is presented as ‘all the health care you need with no additional costs’? We need real debate on this, not the far left labeling people who ask questions as ‘un-American’ or the far right claiming ‘death squads’.

Originally, the ‘safety net’ was supposed to be bare subsistence, below poverty level. I have no problem with this. I have no problem with rationing on health care either. Anything additional is self pay. Somehow, the ‘safety net’ has become something more comfortable than it was supposed to be. Why get off welfare when you can just ‘drop another baby’ and get more.. octamom style?

NOTE: Medicare is an insurance system.. oddly the first attempt at nationalized health system for older adults. It takes about 2.9% of your income during your lifetime.. (actually 1.45% from you and 1.45% from your employer). I can see a problem trying to restrict senior who paid into the system when it wasn’t restricted. The amount paid into it vs. amount being received begs many questions as to where is all that money going?

NOTE: Medicaid is not an insurance program, it rides on US Social Security system, but is better states as part of a welfare medical aid system.

Another note as to religion:
*I tend to be ‘conservative’, but I am not a pro-life/anti-abortion/strongly religious.
*I know several people who vote ‘liberal’, but are very pro-life/anti-abortion/strongly religious.
One needs to keep in mind that being ‘Republican’ does not mean that you are strongly religious, and being ‘Democrat’ doesn’t mean you are not strongly religious. I have several Catholic acquaintances who vote Democratic.

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