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ucodegen
ParticipantPutting in Jan 21, 2009 and Nov 12, 2009 as the date range we get:
10.625 trillion and 11.987 trillion, respectively – a 12.8% increase in the national debt.
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Putting in the Bush era – Jan 21, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009, however, we get:5.728 trillion and 10.627 trillion, respectively — an 85.5% increase (that is, a near doubling) of the national debt.
Make sure you are using equal timespans. You are comparing less than a year (9months) to an 8 year time span.. If we continue at the current rate over the length of time Bush was president, national debt will increase by ((8 * 12)/ 9) * (12.8/100) = 136.5%… unless the relation is geometric which means (e^((ln 1.128)/9))^(8*12) = 261.4% or a multiple of 3.614x of what Bush left it at.
ucodegen
ParticipantPutting in Jan 21, 2009 and Nov 12, 2009 as the date range we get:
10.625 trillion and 11.987 trillion, respectively – a 12.8% increase in the national debt.
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Putting in the Bush era – Jan 21, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009, however, we get:5.728 trillion and 10.627 trillion, respectively — an 85.5% increase (that is, a near doubling) of the national debt.
Make sure you are using equal timespans. You are comparing less than a year (9months) to an 8 year time span.. If we continue at the current rate over the length of time Bush was president, national debt will increase by ((8 * 12)/ 9) * (12.8/100) = 136.5%… unless the relation is geometric which means (e^((ln 1.128)/9))^(8*12) = 261.4% or a multiple of 3.614x of what Bush left it at.
ucodegen
ParticipantSome well-bred Brits think of Americans as savages — rich and powerful savages with money and big guns, but savages nonetheless.
Also a side effect of us savagely kicking the RedCoats out of the US with our guns… π
Michelle is only a private citizen so she can hug the queen as friends would do.
No.. not at a public event, particularly if it was a political event. I did a little search on it.. there is a variant that makes this different. The Queen initiated it by putting her hand on Mrs Obama’s back first. This changes the picture a bit. Only thing that Michelle Obama may have done wrong is keeping her arm at the Queen’s back a little too long after the Queen removed hers. So some if it is blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.htmlhttp://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-v-bush-a-study-in-contrasts/
Cute photoshop on the Bush image.. notice that there is no shadow between the faces, but there is sunlight casting shadows on the headcovering of Abdullah. — fake
ucodegen
ParticipantSome well-bred Brits think of Americans as savages — rich and powerful savages with money and big guns, but savages nonetheless.
Also a side effect of us savagely kicking the RedCoats out of the US with our guns… π
Michelle is only a private citizen so she can hug the queen as friends would do.
No.. not at a public event, particularly if it was a political event. I did a little search on it.. there is a variant that makes this different. The Queen initiated it by putting her hand on Mrs Obama’s back first. This changes the picture a bit. Only thing that Michelle Obama may have done wrong is keeping her arm at the Queen’s back a little too long after the Queen removed hers. So some if it is blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.htmlhttp://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-v-bush-a-study-in-contrasts/
Cute photoshop on the Bush image.. notice that there is no shadow between the faces, but there is sunlight casting shadows on the headcovering of Abdullah. — fake
ucodegen
ParticipantSome well-bred Brits think of Americans as savages — rich and powerful savages with money and big guns, but savages nonetheless.
Also a side effect of us savagely kicking the RedCoats out of the US with our guns… π
Michelle is only a private citizen so she can hug the queen as friends would do.
No.. not at a public event, particularly if it was a political event. I did a little search on it.. there is a variant that makes this different. The Queen initiated it by putting her hand on Mrs Obama’s back first. This changes the picture a bit. Only thing that Michelle Obama may have done wrong is keeping her arm at the Queen’s back a little too long after the Queen removed hers. So some if it is blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.htmlhttp://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-v-bush-a-study-in-contrasts/
Cute photoshop on the Bush image.. notice that there is no shadow between the faces, but there is sunlight casting shadows on the headcovering of Abdullah. — fake
ucodegen
ParticipantSome well-bred Brits think of Americans as savages — rich and powerful savages with money and big guns, but savages nonetheless.
Also a side effect of us savagely kicking the RedCoats out of the US with our guns… π
Michelle is only a private citizen so she can hug the queen as friends would do.
No.. not at a public event, particularly if it was a political event. I did a little search on it.. there is a variant that makes this different. The Queen initiated it by putting her hand on Mrs Obama’s back first. This changes the picture a bit. Only thing that Michelle Obama may have done wrong is keeping her arm at the Queen’s back a little too long after the Queen removed hers. So some if it is blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.htmlhttp://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-v-bush-a-study-in-contrasts/
Cute photoshop on the Bush image.. notice that there is no shadow between the faces, but there is sunlight casting shadows on the headcovering of Abdullah. — fake
ucodegen
ParticipantSome well-bred Brits think of Americans as savages — rich and powerful savages with money and big guns, but savages nonetheless.
Also a side effect of us savagely kicking the RedCoats out of the US with our guns… π
Michelle is only a private citizen so she can hug the queen as friends would do.
No.. not at a public event, particularly if it was a political event. I did a little search on it.. there is a variant that makes this different. The Queen initiated it by putting her hand on Mrs Obama’s back first. This changes the picture a bit. Only thing that Michelle Obama may have done wrong is keeping her arm at the Queen’s back a little too long after the Queen removed hers. So some if it is blown out of proportion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.htmlhttp://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-v-bush-a-study-in-contrasts/
Cute photoshop on the Bush image.. notice that there is no shadow between the faces, but there is sunlight casting shadows on the headcovering of Abdullah. — fake
ucodegen
Participant2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.htmlBut there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/
There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.
I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.
It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.
There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…
ucodegen
Participant2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.htmlBut there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/
There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.
I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.
It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.
There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…
ucodegen
Participant2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.htmlBut there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/
There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.
I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.
It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.
There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…
ucodegen
Participant2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.htmlBut there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/
There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.
I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.
It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.
There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…
ucodegen
Participant2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.htmlBut there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/
There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.
I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.
It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.
There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…
ucodegen
ParticipantI have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.
She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.
ucodegen
ParticipantI have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.
She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.
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