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[quote=Russell]Went speechless there for a moment.

I am also a native Southern Californian. Sometimes I wonder if the shine wearing off of California isn’t more attributed to innocence lost and the hardships the responsibilities we bring on as adults. I think it has as much to do with this as with the hordes of invaders from other states.

Remember when your entire little league team could ride in the back of a pick-up truck for ice-cream…or when you could ride your bike around town to various gas stations…no helmet on and ask the gas attendants for stickers for your bike…when you didn’t know how ill a lot of people are or how bad everyone in government is?

When I get up early and take my kids to walk from dead mans down to the cove, for instance, I understand that nothing has really changed but perception. They can’t perceive kelp beds almost empty of sea life or barren sand where there used to be pismo clams or see that the abalone are gone. They don’t know how freakish these big box stores and strip mall after strip mall with the same 10 stores in them are. It’s all exciting. California is just as wonderful to them as it was to me…and I still like it O.K.[/quote]

Echoing this.

I was born in San Diego – grew up here, went to SDSU, moved out in 1990 in my late 20’s. (yes, I’m old.) I’ve lived in 3 other states – and was out of San Diego for almost 12 years. 3 years in the Northwest, just shy of 9 years outside Philly, and a few months in Atlanta. (That was NOT a good fit for me. Crime too high!!! in 3 months I made 3 police reports for thefts/car break ins.)

When I left San Diego it was in large part because of the collapsing defense industry reducing jobs for engineers. Plus houses were too expensive for an engineer to afford.

Washington State is wonderful – no income tax, lots of outdoor activities… you just have to do the biking/hiking/kayaking in the rain! But I liked it.

Philly has the seasons, the culture, the cheap flights to Europe, the opportunity to go see opera and broadway shows in NYC on the weekends… I liked it too.

But, now that I’m back – I like that I can take my kids to the beach year round. Sure they have to wear wetsuits to boogie board during the winter, but the air temp is still warm. I like that we NEVER get housebound due to weather. Weather is a big factor in the quality of life here. It doesn’t get too hot and humid in the summer if you live close enough to the coast. It doesn’t get freezing in the winter.

Having lived in 4 regions of the country I can definitively say I like San Diego best. But that’s just for me. My brother liked Colorado best. My best friend likes WA state best. Everyone has their preference.

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[quote=Russell]Went speechless there for a moment.

I am also a native Southern Californian. Sometimes I wonder if the shine wearing off of California isn’t more attributed to innocence lost and the hardships the responsibilities we bring on as adults. I think it has as much to do with this as with the hordes of invaders from other states.

Remember when your entire little league team could ride in the back of a pick-up truck for ice-cream…or when you could ride your bike around town to various gas stations…no helmet on and ask the gas attendants for stickers for your bike…when you didn’t know how ill a lot of people are or how bad everyone in government is?

When I get up early and take my kids to walk from dead mans down to the cove, for instance, I understand that nothing has really changed but perception. They can’t perceive kelp beds almost empty of sea life or barren sand where there used to be pismo clams or see that the abalone are gone. They don’t know how freakish these big box stores and strip mall after strip mall with the same 10 stores in them are. It’s all exciting. California is just as wonderful to them as it was to me…and I still like it O.K.[/quote]

Echoing this.

I was born in San Diego – grew up here, went to SDSU, moved out in 1990 in my late 20’s. (yes, I’m old.) I’ve lived in 3 other states – and was out of San Diego for almost 12 years. 3 years in the Northwest, just shy of 9 years outside Philly, and a few months in Atlanta. (That was NOT a good fit for me. Crime too high!!! in 3 months I made 3 police reports for thefts/car break ins.)

When I left San Diego it was in large part because of the collapsing defense industry reducing jobs for engineers. Plus houses were too expensive for an engineer to afford.

Washington State is wonderful – no income tax, lots of outdoor activities… you just have to do the biking/hiking/kayaking in the rain! But I liked it.

Philly has the seasons, the culture, the cheap flights to Europe, the opportunity to go see opera and broadway shows in NYC on the weekends… I liked it too.

But, now that I’m back – I like that I can take my kids to the beach year round. Sure they have to wear wetsuits to boogie board during the winter, but the air temp is still warm. I like that we NEVER get housebound due to weather. Weather is a big factor in the quality of life here. It doesn’t get too hot and humid in the summer if you live close enough to the coast. It doesn’t get freezing in the winter.

Having lived in 4 regions of the country I can definitively say I like San Diego best. But that’s just for me. My brother liked Colorado best. My best friend likes WA state best. Everyone has their preference.

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[quote=Russell]Went speechless there for a moment.

I am also a native Southern Californian. Sometimes I wonder if the shine wearing off of California isn’t more attributed to innocence lost and the hardships the responsibilities we bring on as adults. I think it has as much to do with this as with the hordes of invaders from other states.

Remember when your entire little league team could ride in the back of a pick-up truck for ice-cream…or when you could ride your bike around town to various gas stations…no helmet on and ask the gas attendants for stickers for your bike…when you didn’t know how ill a lot of people are or how bad everyone in government is?

When I get up early and take my kids to walk from dead mans down to the cove, for instance, I understand that nothing has really changed but perception. They can’t perceive kelp beds almost empty of sea life or barren sand where there used to be pismo clams or see that the abalone are gone. They don’t know how freakish these big box stores and strip mall after strip mall with the same 10 stores in them are. It’s all exciting. California is just as wonderful to them as it was to me…and I still like it O.K.[/quote]

Echoing this.

I was born in San Diego – grew up here, went to SDSU, moved out in 1990 in my late 20’s. (yes, I’m old.) I’ve lived in 3 other states – and was out of San Diego for almost 12 years. 3 years in the Northwest, just shy of 9 years outside Philly, and a few months in Atlanta. (That was NOT a good fit for me. Crime too high!!! in 3 months I made 3 police reports for thefts/car break ins.)

When I left San Diego it was in large part because of the collapsing defense industry reducing jobs for engineers. Plus houses were too expensive for an engineer to afford.

Washington State is wonderful – no income tax, lots of outdoor activities… you just have to do the biking/hiking/kayaking in the rain! But I liked it.

Philly has the seasons, the culture, the cheap flights to Europe, the opportunity to go see opera and broadway shows in NYC on the weekends… I liked it too.

But, now that I’m back – I like that I can take my kids to the beach year round. Sure they have to wear wetsuits to boogie board during the winter, but the air temp is still warm. I like that we NEVER get housebound due to weather. Weather is a big factor in the quality of life here. It doesn’t get too hot and humid in the summer if you live close enough to the coast. It doesn’t get freezing in the winter.

Having lived in 4 regions of the country I can definitively say I like San Diego best. But that’s just for me. My brother liked Colorado best. My best friend likes WA state best. Everyone has their preference.

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bearishgurl –

I’ve come to the conclusion that I must be your worst nightmare.

I bought our house from my dad – so I benefit under prop 13/58. Strike 1. Unlike your neighbors, I paid full market price for the house (and have a mortgage) but I do get the tax break.

I also am not super fast about weeding the front yard, and our driveway has some cracks from an old tree- so the front of the house looks a bit “Clampet” style. It was worse when we were building the granny flat so we had a porta-potty in the driveway plus a concrete washout pit. Not to mention trenches for the water lines/back flow preventer… etc. So – since my house isn’t cosmetically wonderful from the front – that’s my second strike.

Truly – the cosmetic stuff you describe sounds like it would all be addressed if you lived in a strict HOA community. Like you, I’m in an older neighborhood. No HOA police to tell people to weed, mow the lawn, etc. A neighbor up the street – who bought the house from as stranger so has NO prop 13 benefit would also drive you nuts… the house is ill maintained and his kid fixes up old z-cars in the driveway – there are always at least 2 project cars in various states of disrepair in their driveway.

I happen to agree with CAR and the person in the link edna_mode posted – that 2nd homes/commercial property/etc should not necessarily get the benefit. I know a lot of rental properties are held in corps/llc’s… you can sell the corp/llc and have the prop rate get passed on to the new owner… that seems like a loophole that should be closed.

I’d even understand if they repealed the prop 58 thing – but keep in mind – not all folks who benefit from it got the house free and clear – I paid market rate in 2003 – which meant it was more than a half million… I have a mortgage. But it was a purchase mortgage (not pulling out equity to expand my lifestyle). But… feel free to get mad at me for not being more proactive about my weeds.

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bearishgurl –

I’ve come to the conclusion that I must be your worst nightmare.

I bought our house from my dad – so I benefit under prop 13/58. Strike 1. Unlike your neighbors, I paid full market price for the house (and have a mortgage) but I do get the tax break.

I also am not super fast about weeding the front yard, and our driveway has some cracks from an old tree- so the front of the house looks a bit “Clampet” style. It was worse when we were building the granny flat so we had a porta-potty in the driveway plus a concrete washout pit. Not to mention trenches for the water lines/back flow preventer… etc. So – since my house isn’t cosmetically wonderful from the front – that’s my second strike.

Truly – the cosmetic stuff you describe sounds like it would all be addressed if you lived in a strict HOA community. Like you, I’m in an older neighborhood. No HOA police to tell people to weed, mow the lawn, etc. A neighbor up the street – who bought the house from as stranger so has NO prop 13 benefit would also drive you nuts… the house is ill maintained and his kid fixes up old z-cars in the driveway – there are always at least 2 project cars in various states of disrepair in their driveway.

I happen to agree with CAR and the person in the link edna_mode posted – that 2nd homes/commercial property/etc should not necessarily get the benefit. I know a lot of rental properties are held in corps/llc’s… you can sell the corp/llc and have the prop rate get passed on to the new owner… that seems like a loophole that should be closed.

I’d even understand if they repealed the prop 58 thing – but keep in mind – not all folks who benefit from it got the house free and clear – I paid market rate in 2003 – which meant it was more than a half million… I have a mortgage. But it was a purchase mortgage (not pulling out equity to expand my lifestyle). But… feel free to get mad at me for not being more proactive about my weeds.

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bearishgurl –

I’ve come to the conclusion that I must be your worst nightmare.

I bought our house from my dad – so I benefit under prop 13/58. Strike 1. Unlike your neighbors, I paid full market price for the house (and have a mortgage) but I do get the tax break.

I also am not super fast about weeding the front yard, and our driveway has some cracks from an old tree- so the front of the house looks a bit “Clampet” style. It was worse when we were building the granny flat so we had a porta-potty in the driveway plus a concrete washout pit. Not to mention trenches for the water lines/back flow preventer… etc. So – since my house isn’t cosmetically wonderful from the front – that’s my second strike.

Truly – the cosmetic stuff you describe sounds like it would all be addressed if you lived in a strict HOA community. Like you, I’m in an older neighborhood. No HOA police to tell people to weed, mow the lawn, etc. A neighbor up the street – who bought the house from as stranger so has NO prop 13 benefit would also drive you nuts… the house is ill maintained and his kid fixes up old z-cars in the driveway – there are always at least 2 project cars in various states of disrepair in their driveway.

I happen to agree with CAR and the person in the link edna_mode posted – that 2nd homes/commercial property/etc should not necessarily get the benefit. I know a lot of rental properties are held in corps/llc’s… you can sell the corp/llc and have the prop rate get passed on to the new owner… that seems like a loophole that should be closed.

I’d even understand if they repealed the prop 58 thing – but keep in mind – not all folks who benefit from it got the house free and clear – I paid market rate in 2003 – which meant it was more than a half million… I have a mortgage. But it was a purchase mortgage (not pulling out equity to expand my lifestyle). But… feel free to get mad at me for not being more proactive about my weeds.

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bearishgurl –

I’ve come to the conclusion that I must be your worst nightmare.

I bought our house from my dad – so I benefit under prop 13/58. Strike 1. Unlike your neighbors, I paid full market price for the house (and have a mortgage) but I do get the tax break.

I also am not super fast about weeding the front yard, and our driveway has some cracks from an old tree- so the front of the house looks a bit “Clampet” style. It was worse when we were building the granny flat so we had a porta-potty in the driveway plus a concrete washout pit. Not to mention trenches for the water lines/back flow preventer… etc. So – since my house isn’t cosmetically wonderful from the front – that’s my second strike.

Truly – the cosmetic stuff you describe sounds like it would all be addressed if you lived in a strict HOA community. Like you, I’m in an older neighborhood. No HOA police to tell people to weed, mow the lawn, etc. A neighbor up the street – who bought the house from as stranger so has NO prop 13 benefit would also drive you nuts… the house is ill maintained and his kid fixes up old z-cars in the driveway – there are always at least 2 project cars in various states of disrepair in their driveway.

I happen to agree with CAR and the person in the link edna_mode posted – that 2nd homes/commercial property/etc should not necessarily get the benefit. I know a lot of rental properties are held in corps/llc’s… you can sell the corp/llc and have the prop rate get passed on to the new owner… that seems like a loophole that should be closed.

I’d even understand if they repealed the prop 58 thing – but keep in mind – not all folks who benefit from it got the house free and clear – I paid market rate in 2003 – which meant it was more than a half million… I have a mortgage. But it was a purchase mortgage (not pulling out equity to expand my lifestyle). But… feel free to get mad at me for not being more proactive about my weeds.

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bearishgurl –

I’ve come to the conclusion that I must be your worst nightmare.

I bought our house from my dad – so I benefit under prop 13/58. Strike 1. Unlike your neighbors, I paid full market price for the house (and have a mortgage) but I do get the tax break.

I also am not super fast about weeding the front yard, and our driveway has some cracks from an old tree- so the front of the house looks a bit “Clampet” style. It was worse when we were building the granny flat so we had a porta-potty in the driveway plus a concrete washout pit. Not to mention trenches for the water lines/back flow preventer… etc. So – since my house isn’t cosmetically wonderful from the front – that’s my second strike.

Truly – the cosmetic stuff you describe sounds like it would all be addressed if you lived in a strict HOA community. Like you, I’m in an older neighborhood. No HOA police to tell people to weed, mow the lawn, etc. A neighbor up the street – who bought the house from as stranger so has NO prop 13 benefit would also drive you nuts… the house is ill maintained and his kid fixes up old z-cars in the driveway – there are always at least 2 project cars in various states of disrepair in their driveway.

I happen to agree with CAR and the person in the link edna_mode posted – that 2nd homes/commercial property/etc should not necessarily get the benefit. I know a lot of rental properties are held in corps/llc’s… you can sell the corp/llc and have the prop rate get passed on to the new owner… that seems like a loophole that should be closed.

I’d even understand if they repealed the prop 58 thing – but keep in mind – not all folks who benefit from it got the house free and clear – I paid market rate in 2003 – which meant it was more than a half million… I have a mortgage. But it was a purchase mortgage (not pulling out equity to expand my lifestyle). But… feel free to get mad at me for not being more proactive about my weeds.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I think if you grew up in UC, the OLDEST properties up there might be circa 1968 or 1971. My block was built in 1949. [/quote]

close – Parts of UC – including my block, were developed in 62-65. My house was built in 64.

(I get defensive about the age when people start talking about Miramar and how all residents “knew” of the active use at the time they bought – my parents and my neighbors knew there was an airbase… that wasn’t used much at the time – this was pre-Top Gun. It was 68 or 69 that top gun ramped up the usage. Disclaimer – I have no issue with the base, the jet noise, etc.. as long as pilots don’t fly injured planes and land really close to my kids elementary school. I have a good friend who lives 2 doors down from the house that was hit. The jet noise is part of life.)

I can see the generation difference though, between circa 1949 house and 1960’s houses.
We’re the odd ones in our “next gen” bunch on my block – same age as everyone else – but with young kids… What can I say – hubby and I were/are REALLY old to be having kids this young.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I think if you grew up in UC, the OLDEST properties up there might be circa 1968 or 1971. My block was built in 1949. [/quote]

close – Parts of UC – including my block, were developed in 62-65. My house was built in 64.

(I get defensive about the age when people start talking about Miramar and how all residents “knew” of the active use at the time they bought – my parents and my neighbors knew there was an airbase… that wasn’t used much at the time – this was pre-Top Gun. It was 68 or 69 that top gun ramped up the usage. Disclaimer – I have no issue with the base, the jet noise, etc.. as long as pilots don’t fly injured planes and land really close to my kids elementary school. I have a good friend who lives 2 doors down from the house that was hit. The jet noise is part of life.)

I can see the generation difference though, between circa 1949 house and 1960’s houses.
We’re the odd ones in our “next gen” bunch on my block – same age as everyone else – but with young kids… What can I say – hubby and I were/are REALLY old to be having kids this young.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I think if you grew up in UC, the OLDEST properties up there might be circa 1968 or 1971. My block was built in 1949. [/quote]

close – Parts of UC – including my block, were developed in 62-65. My house was built in 64.

(I get defensive about the age when people start talking about Miramar and how all residents “knew” of the active use at the time they bought – my parents and my neighbors knew there was an airbase… that wasn’t used much at the time – this was pre-Top Gun. It was 68 or 69 that top gun ramped up the usage. Disclaimer – I have no issue with the base, the jet noise, etc.. as long as pilots don’t fly injured planes and land really close to my kids elementary school. I have a good friend who lives 2 doors down from the house that was hit. The jet noise is part of life.)

I can see the generation difference though, between circa 1949 house and 1960’s houses.
We’re the odd ones in our “next gen” bunch on my block – same age as everyone else – but with young kids… What can I say – hubby and I were/are REALLY old to be having kids this young.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I think if you grew up in UC, the OLDEST properties up there might be circa 1968 or 1971. My block was built in 1949. [/quote]

close – Parts of UC – including my block, were developed in 62-65. My house was built in 64.

(I get defensive about the age when people start talking about Miramar and how all residents “knew” of the active use at the time they bought – my parents and my neighbors knew there was an airbase… that wasn’t used much at the time – this was pre-Top Gun. It was 68 or 69 that top gun ramped up the usage. Disclaimer – I have no issue with the base, the jet noise, etc.. as long as pilots don’t fly injured planes and land really close to my kids elementary school. I have a good friend who lives 2 doors down from the house that was hit. The jet noise is part of life.)

I can see the generation difference though, between circa 1949 house and 1960’s houses.
We’re the odd ones in our “next gen” bunch on my block – same age as everyone else – but with young kids… What can I say – hubby and I were/are REALLY old to be having kids this young.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I think if you grew up in UC, the OLDEST properties up there might be circa 1968 or 1971. My block was built in 1949. [/quote]

close – Parts of UC – including my block, were developed in 62-65. My house was built in 64.

(I get defensive about the age when people start talking about Miramar and how all residents “knew” of the active use at the time they bought – my parents and my neighbors knew there was an airbase… that wasn’t used much at the time – this was pre-Top Gun. It was 68 or 69 that top gun ramped up the usage. Disclaimer – I have no issue with the base, the jet noise, etc.. as long as pilots don’t fly injured planes and land really close to my kids elementary school. I have a good friend who lives 2 doors down from the house that was hit. The jet noise is part of life.)

I can see the generation difference though, between circa 1949 house and 1960’s houses.
We’re the odd ones in our “next gen” bunch on my block – same age as everyone else – but with young kids… What can I say – hubby and I were/are REALLY old to be having kids this young.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I didn’t state in my post that IT WAS A FACT that Bay Park/Bay Ho were in the LJ school attendance area, only that Scarlett should check this out. I only have INTIMATE knowledge of South County. I recently called my friends in Bay Park and it turns out they were using “grandma’s” address in LJ for school attendance purposes, for child care reasons. Their children are now out of elem. school and no longer attending LJ schools.
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No worries, no fights… I was just trying to add information to the topic. It’s all good.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
I didn’t state in my post that IT WAS A FACT that Bay Park/Bay Ho were in the LJ school attendance area, only that Scarlett should check this out. I only have INTIMATE knowledge of South County. I recently called my friends in Bay Park and it turns out they were using “grandma’s” address in LJ for school attendance purposes, for child care reasons. Their children are now out of elem. school and no longer attending LJ schools.
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No worries, no fights… I was just trying to add information to the topic. It’s all good.

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