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Participant[quote=sdrealtor]BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.
When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:
SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children’s Hospital
Law Firm’s
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment BankingI have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).
I’m sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.[/quote]
I have to agree with sdrealtor here… There are more white collar folks working around UTC, Torrey Pines, sorrento valley and sorrento mesa, than in downtown.
Heck – Qualcomm which is entirely located in the area described above (UTC, torrey pines, sorrento valley) alone probably employs more than the county employees at the county admin building and city workers who work downtown. (vs city/county workers who are outside of downtown.)
Don’t believe me – look at the traffic flow. This data is for 2006… but it’s the best I could do.
http://sandag.org/resources/demographics_and_other_data/transportation/adtv/sandiego_adt.pdf
Looking at traffic near freeway ramps…
La Jolla Village @ town centre – 63.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa at Vista Sorrento – 78.3K cars/week
Genesee Ave @ Torrey Pines Rd – 47.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa @ camino Ruiz – 61.5
Miramar @ Eastgate Mall – 66.9Compared to downtown… I tried to look around freeway ramps:
10th @ A – 21.3K
1st @ Ash – 27.5k
11 @ ash – 20k
G @ 17th – 21.2k
Grape @ Columbia – 31.8kI think… looking at the data, we can conclude more people commute to work in Sorrento Valley, torrey pines, UTC than commute to work downtown.
A quick look at the numbers… the numbers downtown are lower than the numbers in Kearny Mesa, which are lower than the numbers in Sorrento Valley/Torrey Pines/UTC
Fwiw – the worst traffic spot does appear to be near downtown – the stretch of North Harbor drive from Laurel to Harbor Drive… A whopping 99.2K cars/week. but that’s people commuting to the airport, not to downtown.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.
When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:
SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children’s Hospital
Law Firm’s
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment BankingI have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).
I’m sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.[/quote]
I have to agree with sdrealtor here… There are more white collar folks working around UTC, Torrey Pines, sorrento valley and sorrento mesa, than in downtown.
Heck – Qualcomm which is entirely located in the area described above (UTC, torrey pines, sorrento valley) alone probably employs more than the county employees at the county admin building and city workers who work downtown. (vs city/county workers who are outside of downtown.)
Don’t believe me – look at the traffic flow. This data is for 2006… but it’s the best I could do.
http://sandag.org/resources/demographics_and_other_data/transportation/adtv/sandiego_adt.pdf
Looking at traffic near freeway ramps…
La Jolla Village @ town centre – 63.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa at Vista Sorrento – 78.3K cars/week
Genesee Ave @ Torrey Pines Rd – 47.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa @ camino Ruiz – 61.5
Miramar @ Eastgate Mall – 66.9Compared to downtown… I tried to look around freeway ramps:
10th @ A – 21.3K
1st @ Ash – 27.5k
11 @ ash – 20k
G @ 17th – 21.2k
Grape @ Columbia – 31.8kI think… looking at the data, we can conclude more people commute to work in Sorrento Valley, torrey pines, UTC than commute to work downtown.
A quick look at the numbers… the numbers downtown are lower than the numbers in Kearny Mesa, which are lower than the numbers in Sorrento Valley/Torrey Pines/UTC
Fwiw – the worst traffic spot does appear to be near downtown – the stretch of North Harbor drive from Laurel to Harbor Drive… A whopping 99.2K cars/week. but that’s people commuting to the airport, not to downtown.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]Just get a City Job, they get cost of living raises almost every year.
Plus they are generally not salary so if you work 60 or 70 hours in a week you get over time,Just try doing that at a tech company…
Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
The hourly rate can be done in the tech field… contractors do it all the time.
My husband (architect, not tech) has negotiated hourly pay for the last 10 years… he explains to his potential employer that when times are slower, he doesn’t draw a salary… It helps that I pay the benefits so that’s a non-issue for the employer.
It can be done if the company is small or if the person is willing to be a contractor rather than a direct employee if the company is larger.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]Just get a City Job, they get cost of living raises almost every year.
Plus they are generally not salary so if you work 60 or 70 hours in a week you get over time,Just try doing that at a tech company…
Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
The hourly rate can be done in the tech field… contractors do it all the time.
My husband (architect, not tech) has negotiated hourly pay for the last 10 years… he explains to his potential employer that when times are slower, he doesn’t draw a salary… It helps that I pay the benefits so that’s a non-issue for the employer.
It can be done if the company is small or if the person is willing to be a contractor rather than a direct employee if the company is larger.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]Just get a City Job, they get cost of living raises almost every year.
Plus they are generally not salary so if you work 60 or 70 hours in a week you get over time,Just try doing that at a tech company…
Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
The hourly rate can be done in the tech field… contractors do it all the time.
My husband (architect, not tech) has negotiated hourly pay for the last 10 years… he explains to his potential employer that when times are slower, he doesn’t draw a salary… It helps that I pay the benefits so that’s a non-issue for the employer.
It can be done if the company is small or if the person is willing to be a contractor rather than a direct employee if the company is larger.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]Just get a City Job, they get cost of living raises almost every year.
Plus they are generally not salary so if you work 60 or 70 hours in a week you get over time,Just try doing that at a tech company…
Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
The hourly rate can be done in the tech field… contractors do it all the time.
My husband (architect, not tech) has negotiated hourly pay for the last 10 years… he explains to his potential employer that when times are slower, he doesn’t draw a salary… It helps that I pay the benefits so that’s a non-issue for the employer.
It can be done if the company is small or if the person is willing to be a contractor rather than a direct employee if the company is larger.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]Just get a City Job, they get cost of living raises almost every year.
Plus they are generally not salary so if you work 60 or 70 hours in a week you get over time,Just try doing that at a tech company…
Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
The hourly rate can be done in the tech field… contractors do it all the time.
My husband (architect, not tech) has negotiated hourly pay for the last 10 years… he explains to his potential employer that when times are slower, he doesn’t draw a salary… It helps that I pay the benefits so that’s a non-issue for the employer.
It can be done if the company is small or if the person is willing to be a contractor rather than a direct employee if the company is larger.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]
I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.
I would agree that there are
In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.
Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm
but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available
So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.
As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]
I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.
I would agree that there are
In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.
Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm
but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available
So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.
As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]
I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.
I would agree that there are
In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.
Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm
but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available
So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.
As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]
I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.
I would agree that there are
In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.
Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm
but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available
So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.
As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]
I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.
I would agree that there are
In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.
Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm
but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available
So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.
As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.
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My husband climbed up on the roof after the installer left and was pleased with the installation.
Ours was a pretty easy install – upstairs so the tube just had to go through the attic crawl space.
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My husband climbed up on the roof after the installer left and was pleased with the installation.
Ours was a pretty easy install – upstairs so the tube just had to go through the attic crawl space.
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