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Participantgandalf:
I’ve already said something about it to that effect. I said that if it were a one-time thing, I would have disregarded it. Also, I’ve always said that McCain and Obama were clueless. I just regard Obama as more clueless.
I’m certainly willing to excoriate and criticize McCain on his shortcomings. However, he has a better grasp on the islamofacism angle than Obama. Unfortunately, that is a terribly important issue to me.
However, most of the threads here started out as “wow, Obama is really worthy of being president” and “Obama is really knowledgeable.” I’ve pointed out arguments that poke holes in that theory. If the subject was “Vote for McCain, he knows what he’s doing” I would be posting up the policy objections I have with McCain.
And honestly, I’m no supporter of McCain either (which is what most everyone assumes I am). Does he have my vote? Probably, because I see Obama and his policies as a threat to the U.S. Still, voting in a state like California for McCain, I have no illusions that my vote will matter… Usually I vote Libertarian (now that’s a wasted vote!).
Still, I would think that any criticism of Obama for his lack of knowledge of history is warranted. I think he’s displayed it often enough. I’ve said this before as well – there is no doubt he’s intelligent, bright, and articulate. However, he comes across to me as a person who’s been in school way too long and hasn’t had the hard experience to give him the judgment he needs to be president. He’s just too green. Until that changes, I don’t believe he will be an effective president.
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Participantgandalf:
I’ve already said something about it to that effect. I said that if it were a one-time thing, I would have disregarded it. Also, I’ve always said that McCain and Obama were clueless. I just regard Obama as more clueless.
I’m certainly willing to excoriate and criticize McCain on his shortcomings. However, he has a better grasp on the islamofacism angle than Obama. Unfortunately, that is a terribly important issue to me.
However, most of the threads here started out as “wow, Obama is really worthy of being president” and “Obama is really knowledgeable.” I’ve pointed out arguments that poke holes in that theory. If the subject was “Vote for McCain, he knows what he’s doing” I would be posting up the policy objections I have with McCain.
And honestly, I’m no supporter of McCain either (which is what most everyone assumes I am). Does he have my vote? Probably, because I see Obama and his policies as a threat to the U.S. Still, voting in a state like California for McCain, I have no illusions that my vote will matter… Usually I vote Libertarian (now that’s a wasted vote!).
Still, I would think that any criticism of Obama for his lack of knowledge of history is warranted. I think he’s displayed it often enough. I’ve said this before as well – there is no doubt he’s intelligent, bright, and articulate. However, he comes across to me as a person who’s been in school way too long and hasn’t had the hard experience to give him the judgment he needs to be president. He’s just too green. Until that changes, I don’t believe he will be an effective president.
surveyor
Participantgandalf:
I’ve already said something about it to that effect. I said that if it were a one-time thing, I would have disregarded it. Also, I’ve always said that McCain and Obama were clueless. I just regard Obama as more clueless.
I’m certainly willing to excoriate and criticize McCain on his shortcomings. However, he has a better grasp on the islamofacism angle than Obama. Unfortunately, that is a terribly important issue to me.
However, most of the threads here started out as “wow, Obama is really worthy of being president” and “Obama is really knowledgeable.” I’ve pointed out arguments that poke holes in that theory. If the subject was “Vote for McCain, he knows what he’s doing” I would be posting up the policy objections I have with McCain.
And honestly, I’m no supporter of McCain either (which is what most everyone assumes I am). Does he have my vote? Probably, because I see Obama and his policies as a threat to the U.S. Still, voting in a state like California for McCain, I have no illusions that my vote will matter… Usually I vote Libertarian (now that’s a wasted vote!).
Still, I would think that any criticism of Obama for his lack of knowledge of history is warranted. I think he’s displayed it often enough. I’ve said this before as well – there is no doubt he’s intelligent, bright, and articulate. However, he comes across to me as a person who’s been in school way too long and hasn’t had the hard experience to give him the judgment he needs to be president. He’s just too green. Until that changes, I don’t believe he will be an effective president.
July 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM in reply to: McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool #244052surveyor
Participantfigures
You know, it’s so typical. I actually get some decent work done this morning and afternoon, and then check into piggington, and I miss the smackdown of marion. =sigh=
I need a piggington tivo.
July 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM in reply to: McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool #244194surveyor
Participantfigures
You know, it’s so typical. I actually get some decent work done this morning and afternoon, and then check into piggington, and I miss the smackdown of marion. =sigh=
I need a piggington tivo.
July 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM in reply to: McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool #244203surveyor
Participantfigures
You know, it’s so typical. I actually get some decent work done this morning and afternoon, and then check into piggington, and I miss the smackdown of marion. =sigh=
I need a piggington tivo.
July 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM in reply to: McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool #244257surveyor
Participantfigures
You know, it’s so typical. I actually get some decent work done this morning and afternoon, and then check into piggington, and I miss the smackdown of marion. =sigh=
I need a piggington tivo.
July 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM in reply to: McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool #244265surveyor
Participantfigures
You know, it’s so typical. I actually get some decent work done this morning and afternoon, and then check into piggington, and I miss the smackdown of marion. =sigh=
I need a piggington tivo.
surveyor
Participantbombers!
Hey, Allan, if I recall correctly, I believe Obama said awhile back that he would attack Pakistan. So perhaps the Obamatons might remember that when comparing “bombing” statements.
surveyor
Participantbombers!
Hey, Allan, if I recall correctly, I believe Obama said awhile back that he would attack Pakistan. So perhaps the Obamatons might remember that when comparing “bombing” statements.
surveyor
Participantbombers!
Hey, Allan, if I recall correctly, I believe Obama said awhile back that he would attack Pakistan. So perhaps the Obamatons might remember that when comparing “bombing” statements.
surveyor
Participantbombers!
Hey, Allan, if I recall correctly, I believe Obama said awhile back that he would attack Pakistan. So perhaps the Obamatons might remember that when comparing “bombing” statements.
surveyor
Participantbombers!
Hey, Allan, if I recall correctly, I believe Obama said awhile back that he would attack Pakistan. So perhaps the Obamatons might remember that when comparing “bombing” statements.
surveyor
Participantreadings
Again, gandalf: reading comprehension. I’ve already answered some of your assertions.
1) Whether Obama is seen as conservative or liberal in foreign policy circles is irrelevant. It’s terrific for talking points and people who rely on soundbites instead of factual analysis, but ultimately it is unimportant.
2) His lack of knowledge and understanding regarding history makes any foreign policy approaches by him highly questionable.
3) His tendency to regard the war on terrorism as a correllary to a war on poverty displays a lack of concern on how terrorism is being fueled by Islamofacism.
4) As Allan has pointed out correctly, the writer Zakaria is a well-known internationalist and views America as a waning power soon to be replaced.
5) Lastly, anyone can label policies as pragmatic, realistic, idealistic. Are the policies and analyses of the problem correct? In both cases, neither presidential candidate gets it right. Obama just gets it more wrong. Call it liberal or conservative, it’s still wrong.
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