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[quote=carli]I agree with the suggestion to check out the Sears outlet on Sherman St, which sells lots of different brands, but of course you have to stop in frequently because it’s hit or miss. Also, don’t forget to check Costco.com for Whirlpool. [/quote]

You don’t have to stop in at all. They have the inventory online.

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The variable speed pump are more efficient for two reasons:

1) You have the option to run them at a lower speed for a longer period of time. This results in much lower losses due to resistance within the pipes and filter. As a result, less energy is used per gallon pumped. I don’t think it will effect heating time but it will need to run longer for the same water turnover. If you need the high flow for a spa or pool cleaner, plan on another $500 or so for an electronic controller to change the speeds for different modes.

2) This pump probably uses a three phase motor with an electronic motor controller. I think these may use 10% less energy per gallon pumped. If you are currently spending $30 monthly on pool power, you can reduce it by $3/month.

Mine is a Pentair Intelliflo. The motor controller went bad after 3 years (out of warranty). Replacement cost for just the controller (no service guy or installation): ~$900. The controller is fully potted in epoxy and not repairable. I wouldn’t install another one….

If you don’t need a high speed pump for a pool sweep or spa, you might consider just buying a smaller pump to reduce friction losses and run it longer.

I suspect the payback period is nearly forever. On the plus side you will feel really green.

[sreeb]

The variable speed pump are more efficient for two reasons:

1) You have the option to run them at a lower speed for a longer period of time. This results in much lower losses due to resistance within the pipes and filter. As a result, less energy is used per gallon pumped. I don’t think it will effect heating time but it will need to run longer for the same water turnover. If you need the high flow for a spa or pool cleaner, plan on another $500 or so for an electronic controller to change the speeds for different modes.

2) This pump probably uses a three phase motor with an electronic motor controller. I think these may use 10% less energy per gallon pumped. If you are currently spending $30 monthly on pool power, you can reduce it by $3/month.

Mine is a Pentair Intelliflo. The motor controller went bad after 3 years (out of warranty). Replacement cost for just the controller (no service guy or installation): ~$900. The controller is fully potted in epoxy and not repairable. I wouldn’t install another one….

If you don’t need a high speed pump for a pool sweep or spa, you might consider just buying a smaller pump to reduce friction losses and run it longer.

I suspect the payback period is nearly forever. On the plus side you will feel really green.

[sreeb]

The variable speed pump are more efficient for two reasons:

1) You have the option to run them at a lower speed for a longer period of time. This results in much lower losses due to resistance within the pipes and filter. As a result, less energy is used per gallon pumped. I don’t think it will effect heating time but it will need to run longer for the same water turnover. If you need the high flow for a spa or pool cleaner, plan on another $500 or so for an electronic controller to change the speeds for different modes.

2) This pump probably uses a three phase motor with an electronic motor controller. I think these may use 10% less energy per gallon pumped. If you are currently spending $30 monthly on pool power, you can reduce it by $3/month.

Mine is a Pentair Intelliflo. The motor controller went bad after 3 years (out of warranty). Replacement cost for just the controller (no service guy or installation): ~$900. The controller is fully potted in epoxy and not repairable. I wouldn’t install another one….

If you don’t need a high speed pump for a pool sweep or spa, you might consider just buying a smaller pump to reduce friction losses and run it longer.

I suspect the payback period is nearly forever. On the plus side you will feel really green.

[sreeb]

The variable speed pump are more efficient for two reasons:

1) You have the option to run them at a lower speed for a longer period of time. This results in much lower losses due to resistance within the pipes and filter. As a result, less energy is used per gallon pumped. I don’t think it will effect heating time but it will need to run longer for the same water turnover. If you need the high flow for a spa or pool cleaner, plan on another $500 or so for an electronic controller to change the speeds for different modes.

2) This pump probably uses a three phase motor with an electronic motor controller. I think these may use 10% less energy per gallon pumped. If you are currently spending $30 monthly on pool power, you can reduce it by $3/month.

Mine is a Pentair Intelliflo. The motor controller went bad after 3 years (out of warranty). Replacement cost for just the controller (no service guy or installation): ~$900. The controller is fully potted in epoxy and not repairable. I wouldn’t install another one….

If you don’t need a high speed pump for a pool sweep or spa, you might consider just buying a smaller pump to reduce friction losses and run it longer.

I suspect the payback period is nearly forever. On the plus side you will feel really green.

[sreeb]

The variable speed pump are more efficient for two reasons:

1) You have the option to run them at a lower speed for a longer period of time. This results in much lower losses due to resistance within the pipes and filter. As a result, less energy is used per gallon pumped. I don’t think it will effect heating time but it will need to run longer for the same water turnover. If you need the high flow for a spa or pool cleaner, plan on another $500 or so for an electronic controller to change the speeds for different modes.

2) This pump probably uses a three phase motor with an electronic motor controller. I think these may use 10% less energy per gallon pumped. If you are currently spending $30 monthly on pool power, you can reduce it by $3/month.

Mine is a Pentair Intelliflo. The motor controller went bad after 3 years (out of warranty). Replacement cost for just the controller (no service guy or installation): ~$900. The controller is fully potted in epoxy and not repairable. I wouldn’t install another one….

If you don’t need a high speed pump for a pool sweep or spa, you might consider just buying a smaller pump to reduce friction losses and run it longer.

I suspect the payback period is nearly forever. On the plus side you will feel really green.

[sreeb]

[quote=NicMM]Sunlight kills some bacterias, so it is healthy for you. But will sunlight discolor your clothes on the other hand? If so, with the price to replace your discolored clothes, it might not save much for you to dry clothes under sun.

NicMM[/quote]

Tumbling in the dryer also contributes structural wear. Most of my wardrobe is supposed to look faded….

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[quote=NicMM]Sunlight kills some bacterias, so it is healthy for you. But will sunlight discolor your clothes on the other hand? If so, with the price to replace your discolored clothes, it might not save much for you to dry clothes under sun.

NicMM[/quote]

Tumbling in the dryer also contributes structural wear. Most of my wardrobe is supposed to look faded….

[sreeb]

[quote=NicMM]Sunlight kills some bacterias, so it is healthy for you. But will sunlight discolor your clothes on the other hand? If so, with the price to replace your discolored clothes, it might not save much for you to dry clothes under sun.

NicMM[/quote]

Tumbling in the dryer also contributes structural wear. Most of my wardrobe is supposed to look faded….

[sreeb]

[quote=NicMM]Sunlight kills some bacterias, so it is healthy for you. But will sunlight discolor your clothes on the other hand? If so, with the price to replace your discolored clothes, it might not save much for you to dry clothes under sun.

NicMM[/quote]

Tumbling in the dryer also contributes structural wear. Most of my wardrobe is supposed to look faded….

[sreeb]

[quote=NicMM]Sunlight kills some bacterias, so it is healthy for you. But will sunlight discolor your clothes on the other hand? If so, with the price to replace your discolored clothes, it might not save much for you to dry clothes under sun.

NicMM[/quote]

Tumbling in the dryer also contributes structural wear. Most of my wardrobe is supposed to look faded….

[sreeb]

I think you are factoring in way too much work.

Absent faulty installation or materials, a tile roof should last indefinitely. If you do develop a leak, it should be repairable without a complete roof replacement.

I don’t see why you would expect to re-stucco either.

Nor would I expect a need for a wholesale window replacement. San Diego has a very mild climate so economics do not dictate a need for high efficiency windows. You might want to replace a couple of windows or sliding doors that have seen heavy use.

Absent, a gross failure, pool resurfacing is purely cosmetic.

Basic builder new construction kitchens are nothing to write home about either. Unless the kitchen is literally falling apart (and I have seen some that are), the need to spend $25K refreshing it is fairly subjective.

Bathrooms are pretty much the same absent a tub failure.

I draw a distinction between “deferred maintenance” and “dated”. If the roof leaks, the stucco is falling off the walls, the windows won’t open and the doors don’t close, the pool plaster is collecting on the bottom of a pea green pool, the kitchen drawer fronts and cabinet doors are falling off, only two range burners work, the tubs are all rusting through, the original color of the floor is unclear, the furnace won’t run and the water heater drips a stream that is running out a garage door off it’s tracks, you have “deferred maintenance”.

I think most buyers have some understanding that these things will be expensive. They may have skills or relationships that allow them to cost repairs differently than you do. You might see $25K of window replacements and I might see $200 of parts and a weekends work.

If you you personally need all these things to be new, you should probably focus on new construction.

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I think you are factoring in way too much work.

Absent faulty installation or materials, a tile roof should last indefinitely. If you do develop a leak, it should be repairable without a complete roof replacement.

I don’t see why you would expect to re-stucco either.

Nor would I expect a need for a wholesale window replacement. San Diego has a very mild climate so economics do not dictate a need for high efficiency windows. You might want to replace a couple of windows or sliding doors that have seen heavy use.

Absent, a gross failure, pool resurfacing is purely cosmetic.

Basic builder new construction kitchens are nothing to write home about either. Unless the kitchen is literally falling apart (and I have seen some that are), the need to spend $25K refreshing it is fairly subjective.

Bathrooms are pretty much the same absent a tub failure.

I draw a distinction between “deferred maintenance” and “dated”. If the roof leaks, the stucco is falling off the walls, the windows won’t open and the doors don’t close, the pool plaster is collecting on the bottom of a pea green pool, the kitchen drawer fronts and cabinet doors are falling off, only two range burners work, the tubs are all rusting through, the original color of the floor is unclear, the furnace won’t run and the water heater drips a stream that is running out a garage door off it’s tracks, you have “deferred maintenance”.

I think most buyers have some understanding that these things will be expensive. They may have skills or relationships that allow them to cost repairs differently than you do. You might see $25K of window replacements and I might see $200 of parts and a weekends work.

If you you personally need all these things to be new, you should probably focus on new construction.

[sreeb]

I think you are factoring in way too much work.

Absent faulty installation or materials, a tile roof should last indefinitely. If you do develop a leak, it should be repairable without a complete roof replacement.

I don’t see why you would expect to re-stucco either.

Nor would I expect a need for a wholesale window replacement. San Diego has a very mild climate so economics do not dictate a need for high efficiency windows. You might want to replace a couple of windows or sliding doors that have seen heavy use.

Absent, a gross failure, pool resurfacing is purely cosmetic.

Basic builder new construction kitchens are nothing to write home about either. Unless the kitchen is literally falling apart (and I have seen some that are), the need to spend $25K refreshing it is fairly subjective.

Bathrooms are pretty much the same absent a tub failure.

I draw a distinction between “deferred maintenance” and “dated”. If the roof leaks, the stucco is falling off the walls, the windows won’t open and the doors don’t close, the pool plaster is collecting on the bottom of a pea green pool, the kitchen drawer fronts and cabinet doors are falling off, only two range burners work, the tubs are all rusting through, the original color of the floor is unclear, the furnace won’t run and the water heater drips a stream that is running out a garage door off it’s tracks, you have “deferred maintenance”.

I think most buyers have some understanding that these things will be expensive. They may have skills or relationships that allow them to cost repairs differently than you do. You might see $25K of window replacements and I might see $200 of parts and a weekends work.

If you you personally need all these things to be new, you should probably focus on new construction.

[sreeb]

I think you are factoring in way too much work.

Absent faulty installation or materials, a tile roof should last indefinitely. If you do develop a leak, it should be repairable without a complete roof replacement.

I don’t see why you would expect to re-stucco either.

Nor would I expect a need for a wholesale window replacement. San Diego has a very mild climate so economics do not dictate a need for high efficiency windows. You might want to replace a couple of windows or sliding doors that have seen heavy use.

Absent, a gross failure, pool resurfacing is purely cosmetic.

Basic builder new construction kitchens are nothing to write home about either. Unless the kitchen is literally falling apart (and I have seen some that are), the need to spend $25K refreshing it is fairly subjective.

Bathrooms are pretty much the same absent a tub failure.

I draw a distinction between “deferred maintenance” and “dated”. If the roof leaks, the stucco is falling off the walls, the windows won’t open and the doors don’t close, the pool plaster is collecting on the bottom of a pea green pool, the kitchen drawer fronts and cabinet doors are falling off, only two range burners work, the tubs are all rusting through, the original color of the floor is unclear, the furnace won’t run and the water heater drips a stream that is running out a garage door off it’s tracks, you have “deferred maintenance”.

I think most buyers have some understanding that these things will be expensive. They may have skills or relationships that allow them to cost repairs differently than you do. You might see $25K of window replacements and I might see $200 of parts and a weekends work.

If you you personally need all these things to be new, you should probably focus on new construction.

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