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(local municipalities coffers have not recovered enough yet, unlikely they will let a significant downturn occur “greater than say 10%” without full QE in over drive). Anyway JMHO.

Only thing is that property prices NATIONALLY have risen only about 12% over the last 12 months. San Diego’s 20+% rise was an anomaly, and it could just as easily fall 20% without affecting national prices more than 10%.

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Flu – just don’t be too upset if property prices fall 20-25% from current — assuming you bought near bottom, it shouldn’t hurt too badly. Remember that SD already had one headfake ca. 2010.

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I was reading that specifically about DC and nearby counties, not that the starting point was high to begin with.

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I disagree — nuclear deterrent is cheap, and no one will be very likely to “do unto” a nuclear-armed state.

And just because the violence industry (call it what it is) has been the source of a lot of past innovation doesn’t make it the ONLY source of innovation possible, especially going forward.

Besides, we’re not only talking about R&D money…
Spending several trillion in the Middle East over the past decade has been totally inexcusable. That’s 10 grand per person in the US, think about that.

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I’m not telling you what you do, I’m just asking you to closely examine chains of supply and production. BTW – I have no rooster in this fight, since my feelings on gov’t spending are very mixed (I’d like cutbacks in some areas, increases in others). Sorry if I was misinterpreted — I have no argument with you.

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With DC, one can still buy a house maybe not for $50k, but definitely for under $200k in an “evolving” neighborhood and likely watch it go up in value several times (assuming trends continue). I think the cause was more government workers + horrendous traffic from the burbs + cities being cool again from the ‘burbs than gays and liberal elite.

DC is a special case, though, for a counterpoint. Look at Philly. Large gay/liberal population in the “right” areas, but the ghetto is still the ghetto.

Asbury Park is an old resort town on the NJ coast. It was very trendy — casinos, shows, etc, in the early 1900s. Springstein also had many of his first gigs in a bar there. It fell on hard times with cars and planes making it easier for people to vacation further away (though the rest of that part of the shore seems to have picked up, not sure why it remains an exception).

The town has sentimental value to me since one of my first childhood memories (I was 1.5 yrs old) is standing on the porch of an old hotel there and watching the 4th of July fireworks over the Atlantic.

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SD Realtor = not even indirectly? I worked for a company that designed and produced integrated circuits for telecomms applications. It wasn’t a gov’t contractor, but it did sell to companies that had gov’t contracts.

You’d be very surprised who end-users are if you look at the chain of supply.

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Shouldn’t Piggs be happy that the jobs reports are falsified to seem better than expected? QE3 isn’t exactly popular here, and a “good” report gives the taper-hawks more ammo. I say falsify away, since we can’t have it both ways.

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I’m saying that people staying out of work is a GOOD thing — I consider one-to-1.5 (i.e. one is part time, or both work 30hr/wk) working parent families (assuming two parents) to be ideal. You’d have fewer people working just for the insurance, and insurance/benefits would become less of a tool for employers to tie employees to jobs with crappy conditions of employment.

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Jeebus Xhrist, will you all just GET A ROOM (and no, I don’t care about gender makeup of said room)?!?

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But I agree with you re: working hours. And feel that a good safety-net is one way to reduce job-related stress and discrete hiring costs (thus enabling employers to hire more people with fewer average hours). This should be beneficial in itself.

Lastly, I’m a New Yorker largely raised in NJ, and I tell it like I see it. If you don’t like it, go bite me, and feel free to ignore-list me.

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Fuck you and your horseshit. Everything is very black and white to you.
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For him it was about the attention to the elderly in day to day circumstances. The lack of preventative care that could prolong life.

Hey, at least I don’t resort to ad hominem, which is how you know that the other side has lost a debate. Thanks 🙂

Funny that life expectancy in most of Europe, including the UK beats the US by a few years.

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So what?

Perhaps different spending priorities would have produced unprecedented advances in biotech, artificial organs, etc, and delayed the Internet by 20 years. Would society be worse for it?

In short – who gives a flying spaghetti fuck? Besides, there was plenty of good civilian research in the late 1800s and interwar period of the 1900s without the massive/parasitic military-industrial complex to fund it. Other mechanisms of funding existed.

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Imagine if we cut 50% of the funding to the military and its associated parasites and spent the public money saved on providing health care to all Americans… Plenty of wasted public money in the violence industry. I’d rather my tax money be spent prolonging lives (even those of > 80 year olds) than murdering brown people abroad and abusing people in this country in the name of some “war on drugs.”

This being said, my grandmother was hit by a truck crossing the street in London at age 76 or so. She received very good care from the UK medical system and ended up living another 21 healthy years. “Socialized medicine lets old people die” is horseshit — if anything, private insurance has more motive to let more expensive patients go than a public service does.

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Time was when people said the same thing about Blacks marrying Whites, and Jews leaving the ghetto. Those damn freedom riders, brainwashing the unwashed masses!

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