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[quote=Ren] In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. [/quote]

A bit of ethnocentrism has leaked out. By whose standards are you measuring “culturally advanced”? Do you have a clue what that area of the world looks like? Have you ever been to the middle east? Or anywhere else that isn’t the US or Northern Europe? Before it came tumbling down, Beirut was one of the most modern cities in the world. Oman is today. As are many cities across the middle east. So if “culturally advanced” means modern cities with indoor plumbing, then the middle east is as advanced as any other part of the world. If it means something else, then the subjectivity of any measurement makes it moot.

Beyond that, are you aware that there are significantly MORE Muslims living outside the middle east than in that area? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion Muslims in the world. Are they all culturally backwards, or just those that reside in the middle east?

Captain Jingo rides again. Put another quarter in the electric bull.

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[quote=Ren] In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. [/quote]

A bit of ethnocentrism has leaked out. By whose standards are you measuring “culturally advanced”? Do you have a clue what that area of the world looks like? Have you ever been to the middle east? Or anywhere else that isn’t the US or Northern Europe? Before it came tumbling down, Beirut was one of the most modern cities in the world. Oman is today. As are many cities across the middle east. So if “culturally advanced” means modern cities with indoor plumbing, then the middle east is as advanced as any other part of the world. If it means something else, then the subjectivity of any measurement makes it moot.

Beyond that, are you aware that there are significantly MORE Muslims living outside the middle east than in that area? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion Muslims in the world. Are they all culturally backwards, or just those that reside in the middle east?

Captain Jingo rides again. Put another quarter in the electric bull.

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[quote=Ren] In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. [/quote]

A bit of ethnocentrism has leaked out. By whose standards are you measuring “culturally advanced”? Do you have a clue what that area of the world looks like? Have you ever been to the middle east? Or anywhere else that isn’t the US or Northern Europe? Before it came tumbling down, Beirut was one of the most modern cities in the world. Oman is today. As are many cities across the middle east. So if “culturally advanced” means modern cities with indoor plumbing, then the middle east is as advanced as any other part of the world. If it means something else, then the subjectivity of any measurement makes it moot.

Beyond that, are you aware that there are significantly MORE Muslims living outside the middle east than in that area? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion Muslims in the world. Are they all culturally backwards, or just those that reside in the middle east?

Captain Jingo rides again. Put another quarter in the electric bull.

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[quote=Ren] In general, they are not as culturally advanced as western states, so more of them take religious works literally. If you removed Islam from the equation and put Christianity in its place, you would have entire mid-eastern countries treating women exactly the way they were treated in the Old Testament, and stoning people, and crucifying people. [/quote]

A bit of ethnocentrism has leaked out. By whose standards are you measuring “culturally advanced”? Do you have a clue what that area of the world looks like? Have you ever been to the middle east? Or anywhere else that isn’t the US or Northern Europe? Before it came tumbling down, Beirut was one of the most modern cities in the world. Oman is today. As are many cities across the middle east. So if “culturally advanced” means modern cities with indoor plumbing, then the middle east is as advanced as any other part of the world. If it means something else, then the subjectivity of any measurement makes it moot.

Beyond that, are you aware that there are significantly MORE Muslims living outside the middle east than in that area? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion Muslims in the world. Are they all culturally backwards, or just those that reside in the middle east?

Captain Jingo rides again. Put another quarter in the electric bull.

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[quote=jficquette]BOA is my guess.[/quote]

Sounds like a good guess. HuffPo reports the same guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-targeting-bank-of-america_n_789804.html

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[quote=jficquette]BOA is my guess.[/quote]

Sounds like a good guess. HuffPo reports the same guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-targeting-bank-of-america_n_789804.html

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[quote=jficquette]BOA is my guess.[/quote]

Sounds like a good guess. HuffPo reports the same guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-targeting-bank-of-america_n_789804.html

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[quote=jficquette]BOA is my guess.[/quote]

Sounds like a good guess. HuffPo reports the same guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-targeting-bank-of-america_n_789804.html

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[quote=jficquette]BOA is my guess.[/quote]

Sounds like a good guess. HuffPo reports the same guess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-targeting-bank-of-america_n_789804.html

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[quote=dogonit](troubled loner’s wife here) I’m a huge dog fan, and have trained our dogs to follow hand signals, etc. The best dog training books, hands down, are by Patricia McConnell. Each publication is very short and easy to successfully follow. I suggest “The Puppy Primer” Her website: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/category/dog-training-books
Happy Wags![/quote]

McConnell is good, but I don’t think she’s perfect. Her liberal use of treats at some stages of training, as reward for desired behavior, diminishes the importance of the relationship between the handler and the dog. Treats are great for teaching tricks, which is why they’re used for for show dogs (and other show animals like seals, porpoise and killer whales). They’re less than optimal for teaching trust and absolute consistent behavior. It is the only gripe that I have with any of her methods.

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[quote=dogonit](troubled loner’s wife here) I’m a huge dog fan, and have trained our dogs to follow hand signals, etc. The best dog training books, hands down, are by Patricia McConnell. Each publication is very short and easy to successfully follow. I suggest “The Puppy Primer” Her website: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/category/dog-training-books
Happy Wags![/quote]

McConnell is good, but I don’t think she’s perfect. Her liberal use of treats at some stages of training, as reward for desired behavior, diminishes the importance of the relationship between the handler and the dog. Treats are great for teaching tricks, which is why they’re used for for show dogs (and other show animals like seals, porpoise and killer whales). They’re less than optimal for teaching trust and absolute consistent behavior. It is the only gripe that I have with any of her methods.

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[quote=dogonit](troubled loner’s wife here) I’m a huge dog fan, and have trained our dogs to follow hand signals, etc. The best dog training books, hands down, are by Patricia McConnell. Each publication is very short and easy to successfully follow. I suggest “The Puppy Primer” Her website: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/category/dog-training-books
Happy Wags![/quote]

McConnell is good, but I don’t think she’s perfect. Her liberal use of treats at some stages of training, as reward for desired behavior, diminishes the importance of the relationship between the handler and the dog. Treats are great for teaching tricks, which is why they’re used for for show dogs (and other show animals like seals, porpoise and killer whales). They’re less than optimal for teaching trust and absolute consistent behavior. It is the only gripe that I have with any of her methods.

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[quote=dogonit](troubled loner’s wife here) I’m a huge dog fan, and have trained our dogs to follow hand signals, etc. The best dog training books, hands down, are by Patricia McConnell. Each publication is very short and easy to successfully follow. I suggest “The Puppy Primer” Her website: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/category/dog-training-books
Happy Wags![/quote]

McConnell is good, but I don’t think she’s perfect. Her liberal use of treats at some stages of training, as reward for desired behavior, diminishes the importance of the relationship between the handler and the dog. Treats are great for teaching tricks, which is why they’re used for for show dogs (and other show animals like seals, porpoise and killer whales). They’re less than optimal for teaching trust and absolute consistent behavior. It is the only gripe that I have with any of her methods.

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[quote=dogonit](troubled loner’s wife here) I’m a huge dog fan, and have trained our dogs to follow hand signals, etc. The best dog training books, hands down, are by Patricia McConnell. Each publication is very short and easy to successfully follow. I suggest “The Puppy Primer” Her website: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/category/dog-training-books
Happy Wags![/quote]

McConnell is good, but I don’t think she’s perfect. Her liberal use of treats at some stages of training, as reward for desired behavior, diminishes the importance of the relationship between the handler and the dog. Treats are great for teaching tricks, which is why they’re used for for show dogs (and other show animals like seals, porpoise and killer whales). They’re less than optimal for teaching trust and absolute consistent behavior. It is the only gripe that I have with any of her methods.

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[quote=martink110] I got my puppy at 5 weeks, no problem with potty training. Some breeds are ‘cleaner’ than others. ([/quote]

I agree completely that some breeds are cleaner than others. My big Akita, as dumb as he is, is like a cat. Festidious about his grooming. Perfers walking on the clean floor inside than on dirt. That’s one of many behavior problems with many terriers, they don’t seem to give a shit where they shit.

On the 5 week thing. Housebreaking is only 1 of the many many possible problems. Generally, 5 weeks is just way too early. Puppies learn NOTHING the first 3 or 4 weeks of life. Half of that, their eyes aren’t even open. They eat, eliminate and sleep. Then learn how to walk, run and that’s about it. All of their socialization learning comes after 4 weeks. They learn to vocalize and what their various vocalizations mean to other dogs. They learn about canine hierarchy. What I call doggy manners. This is a key component in how a dog will relate to you, other members of your household, other people and other dogs. It is stuff that is virtually impossible to teach outside of the litter setting.

Dogs separated at 5 weeks, as compared to those separated at 8 weeks or later, tend to be skittish, very hard to socialize with other dogs or pets, agressive towards strangers, not good with small children, and often inconsistent in learning desired behaviors because they have an incomplete imprinting of hierarchial standards. They also tend to lick incessantly.

It’s not an absolute. There are dogs separated at 5 weeks with none of these behavior problems. And some owners will never notice them as problems. But the likelihood of problems is so much greater, there is simply no good reason to ever take the risk. (As a disclaimer here, I have to admit, my assistant dog was separated at some time before 5 weeks. She was a rescue from the mean streets of Rosarito, where she was abandoned. She is a good dog, but has many of these undesirable traits. I can’t trust her alone with small children. Can’t take her to a dog park. Has no clue where she fits into her pack. If she hadn’t been rescued by the daughter of a former dog trainer, I doubt she would have survived.)

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