OT: Temecula mosque gains commission’s approval

[Arraya]

Actually, it’s Roman Canon law for Catholics and Halakha, Jewish law , which is strangely integrated into Israel’s government.

[Ren]

I’m still torn on this. The Old Testament does have some crazy recommendations in it which involve killing people for bad reasons, and these are contradicted by the New Testament. Parts of the Quran (taken out of context) state that non-believers are to be converted or killed.

The extremists aren’t bright enough to put the nasty passages in context with the times and other parts of the Quran, and so go around killing “infidels”. The mosque isn’t the issue – the people it attracts are. The vast majority of them are level-headed enough to know that parts of the Quran don’t apply today, but the people who are attracted to religion of any sort are by definition unable to fill their own void, and so are vulnerable to brainwashing. Combine a charasmatic psycho for a teacher and a stupid, socially awkward and gullibile student, and things go badly. Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.

If I was Dictator, maybe I would take the offending passages out of the Quran (and the Bible, while I was at it) – but it definitely wouldn’t be a free country.

[Ren]

I’m still torn on this. The Old Testament does have some crazy recommendations in it which involve killing people for bad reasons, and these are contradicted by the New Testament. Parts of the Quran (taken out of context) state that non-believers are to be converted or killed.

The extremists aren’t bright enough to put the nasty passages in context with the times and other parts of the Quran, and so go around killing “infidels”. The mosque isn’t the issue – the people it attracts are. The vast majority of them are level-headed enough to know that parts of the Quran don’t apply today, but the people who are attracted to religion of any sort are by definition unable to fill their own void, and so are vulnerable to brainwashing. Combine a charasmatic psycho for a teacher and a stupid, socially awkward and gullibile student, and things go badly. Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.

If I was Dictator, maybe I would take the offending passages out of the Quran (and the Bible, while I was at it) – but it definitely wouldn’t be a free country.

[Ren]

I’m still torn on this. The Old Testament does have some crazy recommendations in it which involve killing people for bad reasons, and these are contradicted by the New Testament. Parts of the Quran (taken out of context) state that non-believers are to be converted or killed.

The extremists aren’t bright enough to put the nasty passages in context with the times and other parts of the Quran, and so go around killing “infidels”. The mosque isn’t the issue – the people it attracts are. The vast majority of them are level-headed enough to know that parts of the Quran don’t apply today, but the people who are attracted to religion of any sort are by definition unable to fill their own void, and so are vulnerable to brainwashing. Combine a charasmatic psycho for a teacher and a stupid, socially awkward and gullibile student, and things go badly. Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.

If I was Dictator, maybe I would take the offending passages out of the Quran (and the Bible, while I was at it) – but it definitely wouldn’t be a free country.

[Ren]

I’m still torn on this. The Old Testament does have some crazy recommendations in it which involve killing people for bad reasons, and these are contradicted by the New Testament. Parts of the Quran (taken out of context) state that non-believers are to be converted or killed.

The extremists aren’t bright enough to put the nasty passages in context with the times and other parts of the Quran, and so go around killing “infidels”. The mosque isn’t the issue – the people it attracts are. The vast majority of them are level-headed enough to know that parts of the Quran don’t apply today, but the people who are attracted to religion of any sort are by definition unable to fill their own void, and so are vulnerable to brainwashing. Combine a charasmatic psycho for a teacher and a stupid, socially awkward and gullibile student, and things go badly. Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.

If I was Dictator, maybe I would take the offending passages out of the Quran (and the Bible, while I was at it) – but it definitely wouldn’t be a free country.

[Ren]

I’m still torn on this. The Old Testament does have some crazy recommendations in it which involve killing people for bad reasons, and these are contradicted by the New Testament. Parts of the Quran (taken out of context) state that non-believers are to be converted or killed.

The extremists aren’t bright enough to put the nasty passages in context with the times and other parts of the Quran, and so go around killing “infidels”. The mosque isn’t the issue – the people it attracts are. The vast majority of them are level-headed enough to know that parts of the Quran don’t apply today, but the people who are attracted to religion of any sort are by definition unable to fill their own void, and so are vulnerable to brainwashing. Combine a charasmatic psycho for a teacher and a stupid, socially awkward and gullibile student, and things go badly. Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.

If I was Dictator, maybe I would take the offending passages out of the Quran (and the Bible, while I was at it) – but it definitely wouldn’t be a free country.

[Arraya]

[quote=Ren] Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. .[/quote]

I think the bigger question is why do you think it does.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions,

[Arraya]

[quote=Ren] Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. .[/quote]

I think the bigger question is why do you think it does.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions,

[Arraya]

[quote=Ren] Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. .[/quote]

I think the bigger question is why do you think it does.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions,

[Arraya]

[quote=Ren] Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. .[/quote]

I think the bigger question is why do you think it does.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions,

[Arraya]

[quote=Ren] Why does that happen FAR more with Islam than any other religion? Culture, probably. .[/quote]

I think the bigger question is why do you think it does.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions,

[Anonymous]

[quote=Ren]Why does [insert some crime or otherwise socially unacceptable behavior here] happen FAR more with [insert any religion/race/gender/arbitrarily defined group here] than any other [group]?

Culture, probably.[/quote]

Why do white males commit the majority of financial crimes?

Why do blacks commit a disproportionate number of drug offenses?

Culture, probably.

But this is only half right. Part of it is culture, other reasons include opportunity and circumstances.

The fact that much of the Islamic world has been boxed into a corner by the Western world explains a few things. Do you ever wonder why the borders of Iraq, an ancient civilization consisting of dozens of ethnic groups, are such neat, straight lines?

Not an excuse, but an explanation.

[quote]What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.[/quote]

Then there’s no reason to be torn.

We only sacrifice civil liberties when there is reason to believe a specific threat exists.

Police make exceptions to the Fourth Amendment when there is probable cause that a specific person is committing a specific crime. Law enforcement cannot simply perform searches when there is some general statistical evidence that a person is more likely to commit a crime because they are a member of a group.

Should we allow the FBI to perform warrantless searches on financial records of white males because white males are far more likely to commit financial crimes than any other group? If they did, they would catch far more crooks…

So why should we deny the First Amendment to any individuals based on a vague, pseudo-statistical belief? (which Arraya has pointed out is likely not even accurate.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Ren]Why does [insert some crime or otherwise socially unacceptable behavior here] happen FAR more with [insert any religion/race/gender/arbitrarily defined group here] than any other [group]?

Culture, probably.[/quote]

Why do white males commit the majority of financial crimes?

Why do blacks commit a disproportionate number of drug offenses?

Culture, probably.

But this is only half right. Part of it is culture, other reasons include opportunity and circumstances.

The fact that much of the Islamic world has been boxed into a corner by the Western world explains a few things. Do you ever wonder why the borders of Iraq, an ancient civilization consisting of dozens of ethnic groups, are such neat, straight lines?

Not an excuse, but an explanation.

[quote]What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.[/quote]

Then there’s no reason to be torn.

We only sacrifice civil liberties when there is reason to believe a specific threat exists.

Police make exceptions to the Fourth Amendment when there is probable cause that a specific person is committing a specific crime. Law enforcement cannot simply perform searches when there is some general statistical evidence that a person is more likely to commit a crime because they are a member of a group.

Should we allow the FBI to perform warrantless searches on financial records of white males because white males are far more likely to commit financial crimes than any other group? If they did, they would catch far more crooks…

So why should we deny the First Amendment to any individuals based on a vague, pseudo-statistical belief? (which Arraya has pointed out is likely not even accurate.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Ren]Why does [insert some crime or otherwise socially unacceptable behavior here] happen FAR more with [insert any religion/race/gender/arbitrarily defined group here] than any other [group]?

Culture, probably.[/quote]

Why do white males commit the majority of financial crimes?

Why do blacks commit a disproportionate number of drug offenses?

Culture, probably.

But this is only half right. Part of it is culture, other reasons include opportunity and circumstances.

The fact that much of the Islamic world has been boxed into a corner by the Western world explains a few things. Do you ever wonder why the borders of Iraq, an ancient civilization consisting of dozens of ethnic groups, are such neat, straight lines?

Not an excuse, but an explanation.

[quote]What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.[/quote]

Then there’s no reason to be torn.

We only sacrifice civil liberties when there is reason to believe a specific threat exists.

Police make exceptions to the Fourth Amendment when there is probable cause that a specific person is committing a specific crime. Law enforcement cannot simply perform searches when there is some general statistical evidence that a person is more likely to commit a crime because they are a member of a group.

Should we allow the FBI to perform warrantless searches on financial records of white males because white males are far more likely to commit financial crimes than any other group? If they did, they would catch far more crooks…

So why should we deny the First Amendment to any individuals based on a vague, pseudo-statistical belief? (which Arraya has pointed out is likely not even accurate.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Ren]Why does [insert some crime or otherwise socially unacceptable behavior here] happen FAR more with [insert any religion/race/gender/arbitrarily defined group here] than any other [group]?

Culture, probably.[/quote]

Why do white males commit the majority of financial crimes?

Why do blacks commit a disproportionate number of drug offenses?

Culture, probably.

But this is only half right. Part of it is culture, other reasons include opportunity and circumstances.

The fact that much of the Islamic world has been boxed into a corner by the Western world explains a few things. Do you ever wonder why the borders of Iraq, an ancient civilization consisting of dozens of ethnic groups, are such neat, straight lines?

Not an excuse, but an explanation.

[quote]What’s the solution? There isn’t one that doesn’t involve taking away other freedoms.[/quote]

Then there’s no reason to be torn.

We only sacrifice civil liberties when there is reason to believe a specific threat exists.

Police make exceptions to the Fourth Amendment when there is probable cause that a specific person is committing a specific crime. Law enforcement cannot simply perform searches when there is some general statistical evidence that a person is more likely to commit a crime because they are a member of a group.

Should we allow the FBI to perform warrantless searches on financial records of white males because white males are far more likely to commit financial crimes than any other group? If they did, they would catch far more crooks…

So why should we deny the First Amendment to any individuals based on a vague, pseudo-statistical belief? (which Arraya has pointed out is likely not even accurate.)

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