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Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=SK in CV]
What is this in response to? It seems a non-sequitur to recent comments.[/quote]
That’s what I like about it.[/quote]
Even irony groans.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]I get it. Liberals and Clinton voters are clearly much smarter than everyone else. By way of pure sophistry and using certain key words, like ‘science’ and ‘facts,’ without actually having any regard for them, liberals can claim to be not only morally but also intellectually superior. As someone trained in a scientific field of inquiry, I have always been taught to view humility and self-critique as the highest values, and smug arrogance as the opposite. If you want to call yourself the best, you are now anointed the best, in all respects. Can you stop now?[/quote]
What is this in response to? It seems a non-sequitur to recent comments.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]
Don’t underestimate the desire for safety and the momma-bear instinct.[/quote]
My brother blames over policing and big bother on democrats.
I blame the momma bears who want zero tolerance, except when their own kids do something bad, they beg for mercy.Momma bears usually follow the politics of their husbands. But this election, with Trump, they see that men hold power they are feeling fed up. I’m talking suburban college educated women. We will see how they vote on Tuesday.[/quote]
It is so not surprising that you are single.[/quote]
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Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=JAFO]Hillary should be in jail. Just the fact that 32,000 emails were deleted after being subpoenaed should be enough. I lived through the White Water scandal. Bill Clinton trying to define the word ‘is’. He was a disgrace to the presidency. You watch as DNC vice chair feeds the Clinton campaign upcoming questions. It is all so discouraging. And then you see how the Clinton followers just do not give a shit about anything the Clinton clan does. I really do not get it. Boggles the mind. Clinton is a career politician that really hasn’t done crap in the 30 years of ‘serving’. Screw all career politicians.
Trump is not a career politician. He isn’t lying and cheating to win. Yes, he puts his foot in his mouth. He’s a human being. I think his heart is in the right place. He gets my vote. I’d rather give him a chance than endure four more years of a Clinton.[/quote]Well said, JAFO. I have a lo-o-o-ong memory of the Clinton clan and their shenanigans (and accompanying baggage) as well. I also have peeps who have lived their entire lives in Bill’s home state of AR who have longer memories than I do :=0 They saw the Hill/Bill (yes, in that order) comedy of errors play out up close and personal for a far longer portion of their lives than they would have wished.
I’m a woman and I would like to see a woman president before I die but just not HER. Everything that is now momentarily playing out in the airwaves has all been done before in all levels of Democratic candidates and by Democrats in positions of power in every level of government.
As a registered Dem since the Reagan era and former local Dem activist, I’ve seen it all before multiple times and I get it. I can (and have) predict(ed) here what will happen next. What we’re now seeing is “textbook” for the folks who have taken the class. Glad to see that the FBI has finally (at the 11th hour) decided to do the right thing but not sure that it will affect the election due to the Dem’s HUGE and organized ground game (of which I used to be a part of many years ago). The jury is still out on that one.
Trump’s doing great in his swing state rallies and I pray that he takes the state of FL. I predict he also takes NV and AZ and feel he has a good chance in CO. I don’t know much about the demographics and culture of the other swing states but his rallies are well-attended everywhere with enthusiastic supporters. We’ll soon have our answers.
Unfortunately, voters in behemoth CA will continue to deliver their electoral votes to the Dems. Generally, CA’s voters haven’t (collectively) voted in their best interests for over three decades. Everything here is simply hunky dory and a “monkey-see, monkey know nothing” attitude prevails amongst its voters . . . with the actual reality possibly masked by our great weather and numerous “gated communities” among other diversions we enjoy that other (less fortunate) states, don’t :=0[/quote]
LOL! Great points. Long memories, just not very good ones. After three separate inquiries, investigators could find no evidence of wrongdoing by Clinton in the Whitewater controversy. The FBI isn’t doing the “right thing” now. It’s doing the possibly illegal thing, which will probably lead to the end of James Comey’s career. Fortunately, we won’t have to listen to lies from the republican candidate much longer. Trump is still losing. Badly. And Bigly.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=SK in CV]I agree with most everything you said until the end. What evidence is there that anything leaked out? [/quote]
My understanding is that there are specific networks and computers that are allowed to have classified information. Somehow, some number of classified emails got off these networks an onto a personal system that was connected to the public internet. That’s what I mean by “leaked” – leaked from a secure system to an insecure one.
I don’t believe any of the information ultimately made it into the hands of our adversaries, although once it was on an insecure system it’s hard to know where it went. But as best I know there is no evidence that national security was impacted by any of it.
My whole take on the “email scandal” is that there were some less-than-ideal IT security practices in the State Department, but that such practices are probably more common throughout the federal government than many people would like to acknowledge. I believe Hillary knew about these issues but choose not to address them due to other priorities. I understand that “other people do it too” is ultimately not a valid justification, but I’m not feeling any outrage about the email issues because I don’t see any evidence of specific intent to leak the information.
It was incompetence, not malice – and minor incompetence relative to the scope of all of the Secretary of State’s responsibilities.[/quote]
I’d go along with most of that. The classified info that ended up on the Clinton server was almost all classified after the fact, which is pretty common in government work. It was not classified when it was produced (by the state department), but subsequently upclassified by the state department (sometimes as a result of FOIA request), the FBI or DNI. According to Comey’s testimony to Congress, there were only 3 items that were marked classified, and all 3 of them were improperly marked, meaning someone who knew the rules of classification inside and out, would not consider them classified. That is close to a direct quote from Comey in his testimony. An expert would not have considered them classified.
Her predecessors handled their emails substantially less carefully, including classified email, (as described by Secretary Powell in his email to Secretary Clinton) using public email accounts, and providing not a single one upon their leaving the department.
Participant[quote=meadandale][quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen]
An individual has much smaller resources than does a large well backed organization. The problem becomes one of trying to upset the one person one vote through mis-information.[/quote]You mean misinformation like covering Benghazi as if there really was a scandal? You mean misinformation like covering the Clinton foundation as if there really was a scandal? You mean misinformation like covering Clinton’s email server as if there really was a scandal? You mean misinformation like NOT covering the rape of a 13 year old girl by a presidential candidate as if there was no scandal? You mean misinformation like NOT covering bribes paid by the Trump foundation as if there was no scandal? You mean misinformation like covering this election as if it’s close? Yeah, the press has failed quite a bit this election cycle. The first amendment allows all that. In fact, guarantees the right to do all that. But despite all that rigging against her, Hillary Clinton is still going to be the next president. That’s how bad her opponent is.[/quote]
Rigging against her? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL[/quote]
Yes, rigging against here. The fake email scandal has had more news coverage on all cable and network news shows in excess of all other issues combined. Despite it being a fake scandal. There is nothing to see. So yes. The election has been rigged far more against her than against Trump, with regards to media coverage.
The actual voting rigging that Trump has talked about is all bullshit. It doesn’t exist. The sum total of all in person voter fraud over the last 15 years would be insufficient to sway a single state election.
Participant[quote=harvey]What amuses me about this “email scandal” is that it is being framed as if Hillary was literally in her basement with a bunch of computers, cables, and wire cutters cutting into some government cable-box with a big red TOP SECRET label on it. And once she wired it all up she sat down at the terminal and typed the necessary cryptic codes, specifically with the intent to enable a flood of government secrets to go straight to Anthony Weiner’s pedo-webcam station.
I really doubt the Clinton – who was running an organization with tens of thousands of employees at the time – was doing her own hands-on IT work.
I really doubt that she understands much at all about how email works.
Its interesting that nobody is concerned about who actually did the IT work that allowed information to leak out. And that all of the well-funded agencies in the DoD and intelligence services, etc. did not provide any oversight.[/quote]
I agree with most everything you said until the end. What evidence is there that anything leaked out? The FBI has categorically said that there is no evidence that the server was ever hacked. I don’t think there’s any evidence that any emails from Clinton’s secure server were ever leaked. Unlike the DNC and State Department systems which have been hacked. Also not hacked, to the best of my knowledge, was the RNC private server, than the Bush administration used, and deleted 22 million emails in violation of federal law. Or AOL and gmail accounts, which are regularly hacked, and were used by SOS Colin Powell and SOS Condoleezza Rice. The former has now failed to turn over a single email from his tenure, despite a now 2 year old subpoena for that data.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Agree. Clinton is a YALE-TRAINED LAWYER who has held two high public offices. The buck stops with HER. SHE is in charge of ALL of HER staff and ALL the manipulations of the electronic communications on HER behalf that she tasked them with. SHE is where is is today because of HER negligence and/or HER purposeful non-cooperation with the FBI.
Huma and her loser scumbag “estranged spouse” will SAVE THEMSELVES FIRST …. yes, even if it means outing Clinton. Can we blame them? I’ve seen ALL of these shenanigans (and more) go down multiple times in much lower gubment agencies. It’s par for the course. The once joined-at-the-hip Clintons and the Weiners are finished.
The “fat lady” has now entered backstage, folks, where she will get a makeup touch-up and her costume adjusted. She will begin singing her sets between this coming Thursday and Saturday. Stay tuned . . .[/quote]
You should stop with this silliness and lies. Clinton cannot control everything every one of her employees does. If an employee forwards a work email to their gmail account, then opens that gmail account at home and reads the email, the boss can’t control it. Can’t.
According to the FBI, Clinton fully cooperated with their investigation. You’re a liar when you say she didn’t.
There is no logical way for email on the employees computer to implicate Clinton. None. If there is, you would have described it. But you didn’t. All you can do is tell more lies. I’ve seen you for years make outrageous claims here, based on “feelings” or what you claim to have “seen”. But these lies are beyond that. Knowing that you’re voting for a Nazi may have changed the way you think, and now you’re supporting Nazi methods. Fascism is dangerous.
October 31, 2016 at 8:36 AM in reply to: OT: Battle Ground Zero: Murrieta: Invasion of America #802889Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]CAr, the situation is Turkey in no way justifies the anti immigrant ugliness in America.
That you would draw a connection reveals your own self.[/quote]Yeah, they’re a bit different. Turkey has a population of around 75 million and has 2.5 million Syrian refugees. US has a population of about 320 million, and we’ve taken in 10,000 Syrian refugees. To be comparable, the US would have over 10 million Syrian refugees.
Participant[quote=guitar187][quote=SK in CV][quote=no_such_reality]Can you imagine the shit storm if Comey didn’t CYA and then Congress or the Media learned there was Clinton emails on the Weiner computer?
If it’s just unclassified missives between Huda and Clinton, that’s nobody’s business. If a single one of them is Classified, that’s the whole point. Clinton’s handling of classified info was so lax that it ended up on a computer Anthony Weiner used for sexting with a minor.
Do I think that means we should elect Trump, no.
I’ll gladly take four more years of Elon Musk’s ilk bilking the system than subjecting ourselves to egocentric trepidation of the balding Oompa.
Sadly the 66% that like neither can’t seem to look for any less unlikable out of fear that the more unlikable one will win.[/quote]
FBI sources have already acknowledged that none of the emails in question were sent by Clinton. In which case, practically speaking, there can’t really be a finding that Clinton mishandled classified information. Nor could it possibly have anything to do with the investigation into the use of her private server.
This was a purely political move on Comey’s part to issue the statement, even if it wasn’t partisan. There is no possible non-political purpose in issuing the statement. None. (Trying to appear non-political IS a political move.)[/quote]
That’s completely untrue. I’m not taking sides, but just because the email was not sent by Clinton does not mean it was not mishandled and/or has no association with her private server. That fails a basic logic test in countless scenarios.[/quote]
Then explain please the nexus between email found on an employees personal laptop, that were not sent by Secretary Clinton, and an investigation into what Clinton did or did not do with her server? What is the scenario that implicates Clinton in wrongdoing?
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=SK in CV]
She has been the most vetted politician ever. She’s had paparazzi watching her for more than 20 years. Is she not permitted to have a private conversation with anyone? Ever? What do you think she’s telling them? Do you have any evidence of it? Do you have any evidence she’s ever been influenced to change the policies she’s supported because of undue influences? Ever? I’ll ask it again, so maybe you can try to answer the questions. If you can’t answer those questions, you don’t have a point, you have an unfounded conspiracy theory. That’s it.Go ahead and keep getting those signals from your tin foil hat.[/quote]
All of this has been brought up by more than I, yet you decide that you prefer an echo chamber – can’t help you there.[/quote]No, it hasn’t. At least my questions were never answered. I don’t want echos. I want actual evidence. It seems you’re the one that is in denial. You’ve formed an opinion based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. And can’t accept it. As I said…tin foil.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=SK in CV]
LOL, good one. Global elites? Who exactly is that? Some nefarious group running the world that stays hidden from public view?More cow bell. Less tin foil.[/quote]
BTW: Clinton has stated that she is the most transparent candidate – however she is using white noise generators when talking to her high value donors, so the outside world can’t catch what she is telling them. That is not transparency.Go ahead and put your head in the sand..[/quote]
She has been the most vetted politician ever. She’s had paparazzi watching her for more than 20 years. Is she not permitted to have a private conversation with anyone? Ever? What do you think she’s telling them? Do you have any evidence of it? Do you have any evidence she’s ever been influenced to change the policies she’s supported because of undue influences? Ever? I’ll ask it again, so maybe you can try to answer the questions. If you can’t answer those questions, you don’t have a point, you have an unfounded conspiracy theory. That’s it.
Go ahead and keep getting those signals from your tin foil hat.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen][quote=SK in CV][quote=mixxalot]Hillary will steal the election and win even though Trump will win the popular vote. The global elites want their puppet to win.[/quote]
Good one.[/quote]
Actually Hillary is the elite’s puppet. She has gone so far as to use white noise generators to hide her meetings with global elites from the press.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-static-noise-speech_us_570930dae4b0836057a16748
A bunch of refs – just Google
https://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+using+white+noise+generators[/quote]
LOL, good one. Global elites? Who exactly is that? Some nefarious group running the world that stays hidden from public view?
More cow bell. Less tin foil.[/quote]
You don’t address the point, instead resort to trying to mock the person making the point. Logic fallacy – personal attack proves nothing.That said, I didn’t say they run the world. I did say they are ‘elites’ and I am willing to add that they have undue influence in politics, but that influence is not absolute. Money influences, and lots of money can buy lots of influence.[/quote]
What is the point? Who do you think the “elites” are? Names? Do you have evidence they have historically had undue influence on actual policies supported by the candidate? Absent the answers to those questions, you don’t have a point. You have a conspiracy theory which is worthy of nothing more than mockery.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]It appears the MSM has now latched on with the teeth of a pit bull all the (incestuous) Anthony/Huma/Hillary/Bill connections in this sad saga which I previously posted here and which could very well sink the Clinton campaign … in short order. It will be interesting to see if the FBI makes any more public statements in the coming days.
I predict Huma will not come back to the campaign trail …. nor should she. HRC certainly doesn’t need the distraction.[/quote]
I predict that you’ve made at least a dozen incorrect predictions about this election, based solely on “feelings”.
There is no way this will sink the Clinton campaign. The press has been talking about it. Most of their talk has been about what a huge screw up it was for Comey to do what he did, because the actual facts are …nothing has happened. It may sink his career. A Hatch Act complaint has already been filed against him. He could go to jail. Unlikely he will make any more statements before he’s fired. Dems won’t lose a single vote on this one. Again, there is no there, there.
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