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[quote=zk][quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.
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That’s funny that you ask him that. I would argue why do conservative christians tend to be republican? Except for their pro-life stance, I it seems hypocrytical that conservative christians are against democratic philosophy. Aren’t christians suppose to help/love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, and not be concerned about materialism? Yet, in generalizing, rebublicans are opposed to social programs (that’s not helping/loving you neighbor), and are very much in favor of allowing the rich to get richer on the backs of the working class and building their wealth – that’s not very christian now is it?

Okay, go ahead and attack me, it just seems so incongruent that the republican philosophy that attracts chritians families goes against the basic teachings of christianity. (BTW – I’m an independent if you were wondering, I don’t love the democrats either)

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[quote=zk][quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.
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That’s funny that you ask him that. I would argue why do conservative christians tend to be republican? Except for their pro-life stance, I it seems hypocrytical that conservative christians are against democratic philosophy. Aren’t christians suppose to help/love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, and not be concerned about materialism? Yet, in generalizing, rebublicans are opposed to social programs (that’s not helping/loving you neighbor), and are very much in favor of allowing the rich to get richer on the backs of the working class and building their wealth – that’s not very christian now is it?

Okay, go ahead and attack me, it just seems so incongruent that the republican philosophy that attracts chritians families goes against the basic teachings of christianity. (BTW – I’m an independent if you were wondering, I don’t love the democrats either)

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[quote=zk][quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.
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That’s funny that you ask him that. I would argue why do conservative christians tend to be republican? Except for their pro-life stance, I it seems hypocrytical that conservative christians are against democratic philosophy. Aren’t christians suppose to help/love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, and not be concerned about materialism? Yet, in generalizing, rebublicans are opposed to social programs (that’s not helping/loving you neighbor), and are very much in favor of allowing the rich to get richer on the backs of the working class and building their wealth – that’s not very christian now is it?

Okay, go ahead and attack me, it just seems so incongruent that the republican philosophy that attracts chritians families goes against the basic teachings of christianity. (BTW – I’m an independent if you were wondering, I don’t love the democrats either)

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[quote=zk][quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.
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That’s funny that you ask him that. I would argue why do conservative christians tend to be republican? Except for their pro-life stance, I it seems hypocrytical that conservative christians are against democratic philosophy. Aren’t christians suppose to help/love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, and not be concerned about materialism? Yet, in generalizing, rebublicans are opposed to social programs (that’s not helping/loving you neighbor), and are very much in favor of allowing the rich to get richer on the backs of the working class and building their wealth – that’s not very christian now is it?

Okay, go ahead and attack me, it just seems so incongruent that the republican philosophy that attracts chritians families goes against the basic teachings of christianity. (BTW – I’m an independent if you were wondering, I don’t love the democrats either)

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[quote=zk][quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.
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That’s funny that you ask him that. I would argue why do conservative christians tend to be republican? Except for their pro-life stance, I it seems hypocrytical that conservative christians are against democratic philosophy. Aren’t christians suppose to help/love their neighbor, turn the other cheek, and not be concerned about materialism? Yet, in generalizing, rebublicans are opposed to social programs (that’s not helping/loving you neighbor), and are very much in favor of allowing the rich to get richer on the backs of the working class and building their wealth – that’s not very christian now is it?

Okay, go ahead and attack me, it just seems so incongruent that the republican philosophy that attracts chritians families goes against the basic teachings of christianity. (BTW – I’m an independent if you were wondering, I don’t love the democrats either)

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[quote=jpinpb]array and Ash – if you took that quote and didn’t say it was Palin that said it – sounds pretty damn close to what some crazed terrorist would say. Maybe just substitute “God” with “Allah.”[/quote]
You are right on jpipb,…this is very scary.

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[quote=jpinpb]array and Ash – if you took that quote and didn’t say it was Palin that said it – sounds pretty damn close to what some crazed terrorist would say. Maybe just substitute “God” with “Allah.”[/quote]
You are right on jpipb,…this is very scary.

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[quote=jpinpb]array and Ash – if you took that quote and didn’t say it was Palin that said it – sounds pretty damn close to what some crazed terrorist would say. Maybe just substitute “God” with “Allah.”[/quote]
You are right on jpipb,…this is very scary.

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[quote=jpinpb]array and Ash – if you took that quote and didn’t say it was Palin that said it – sounds pretty damn close to what some crazed terrorist would say. Maybe just substitute “God” with “Allah.”[/quote]
You are right on jpipb,…this is very scary.

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[quote=jpinpb]array and Ash – if you took that quote and didn’t say it was Palin that said it – sounds pretty damn close to what some crazed terrorist would say. Maybe just substitute “God” with “Allah.”[/quote]
You are right on jpipb,…this is very scary.

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Shark fact #4: Sharks can sense a drop of blood 2.5 miles away.

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Shark fact #4: Sharks can sense a drop of blood 2.5 miles away.

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Shark fact #4: Sharks can sense a drop of blood 2.5 miles away.

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Shark fact #4: Sharks can sense a drop of blood 2.5 miles away.

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Shark fact #4: Sharks can sense a drop of blood 2.5 miles away.

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