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Participant[quote=deadzone][quote=sdrealtor][quote=XBoxBoy][quote=deadzone]Long term, it will take strong growth in high paying industry to keep prices high here.[/quote]
Don’t count this possibility out. Suppose for a second that your are correct that work from home is a temporary thing. People who have moved here and then are told they have to report back to an office in LA or Silicon Valley. What do they do? You seem to assume they move back. I on the other hand assume they quit and start their own companies here in SD. Some of these companies will fail, but some will succeed. We could have the next Google, or Facebook, or Apple, here in SD. There is no reason those types of companies have to be in Silicon Valley.[/quote]
Exactly. Or two kids in a dorm at UCSD come up with the next tech unicorn. There are so many possible paths to this happening here. Not just one
And skateboarding is blowing up worldwide. The epicenter of talent and industry is right here in Encinitas. One more log on the fire[/quote]
Skateboarding? Seriously? Skateboarding blew up in the 70s FYI.[/quote]
So out of touch. It blew up here in the 70s and spread to some urban areas. Now it’s globalizing. Of course it won’t be anything on the scale of tech but up here could be hundreds of millions if not a billion dollar industry far beyond what it is now. It’s one more log on the fire
Participant[quote=an][quote=Coronita]UCSD when I was looking to apply to college was easy to get in decades ago. That isn’t the case anymore. If you have a kid that got into UCSD recently and you live in San Diego. Congrats….That itself was a difficult task.
SDSU is not a joke anymore either. Lots of really good programs out there.
My prediction is Cal State San Marcos is going to get a lot better. My money is San Marcos RE is going to do really well.
I would love it if my kid would be able to get into UCSD.[/quote]
SDSU is expanding to Mission Valley and UCSD is expanding downtown. Not only are they getting harder to get in and their academics is getting more and more competitive, they’re also growing physically by leaps and bounds.Then there’s CSU San Marcos. I agree that it’ll get a lot better and more competitive, they’ll also have a lot of physical room to expand. San Diego as a region is changing. It’s no longer a sleepy beach town like it was 50 years ago.[/quote]
Agree with all this. Old timers dont see it happening because its happening slowly over time but the direction of this place is clear. We are grabbing market share in many disciplines. The universities in LA and Bay Area have no room to expand like we do down here. The big CSU and UC investments are happening right here. Its amazing to watch if you pay attention
Participant[quote=Coronita]UCSD when I was looking to apply to college was easy to get in decades ago. That isn’t the case anymore. If you have a kid that got into UCSD recently and you live in San Diego. Congrats….That itself was a difficult task.
SDSU is not a joke anymore either. Lots of really good programs out there.
My prediction is Cal State San Marcos is going to get a lot better. My money is San Marcos RE is going to do really well.
I would love it if my kid would be able to get into UCSD.[/quote]
Thx, mine did this year. Im still floored. She did not get into SDSU though as they are pushing North County kids to CSU san marcos which is booming in its own right. In 20 to 30 years thats gonna be a helluva university also
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=deadzone]Long term, it will take strong growth in high paying industry to keep prices high here.[/quote]
Don’t count this possibility out. Suppose for a second that your are correct that work from home is a temporary thing. People who have moved here and then are told they have to report back to an office in LA or Silicon Valley. What do they do? You seem to assume they move back. I on the other hand assume they quit and start their own companies here in SD. Some of these companies will fail, but some will succeed. We could have the next Google, or Facebook, or Apple, here in SD. There is no reason those types of companies have to be in Silicon Valley.[/quote]
Exactly. Or two kids in a dorm at UCSD come up with the next tech unicorn. There are so many possible paths to this happening here. Not just one
And skateboarding is blowing up worldwide. The epicenter of talent and industry is right here in Encinitas. One more log on the fire
ParticipantI fully grasp that nor do I think it has to be. To the contrary some very smart, wealthy and influential folks think it’s on its way to being one of them. You look at things too black and white IMO. It’s not one thing it’s the combination of several things. It doesn’t have to be the top destination. I’ve never thought it would be or said that, it just needs to gain market share so to speak which I see happening over time.
SD is building a critical mass of research and development potential far beyond what existed in past decades. Look at all the cranes on the UCSD campus the last 5-10 years. It has grown massively.
I’ve been very fortunate in my life and made many great decisions. Just the same I constantly ask myself what if I’m wrong? It’s not unusual for me to look at the answer to that and bet against myself. Do you ever ask yourself what if I’m wrong and make measured decisions on the results of that?
August 6, 2021 at 1:55 PM in reply to: Zillow bought a house in a neighborhood where I’m active #822901ParticipantBrother of a friend sold his place to Zillow a couple years ago. They ended up holding it for a while and ultimately lost money. They have virtually no cost of capital. I believe they are more concerned with figuring out this as a business model than making money for now. Billion dollar companies lose money on things all the time. This is one of those for them in many cases. They need to be among the companies trying this as a hedge to protect their primary business
Participant[quote=deadzone]Maybe, only time will tell. But you are assuming the remote work option becomes permanent for a large portion of the population. And further that they will decide to move to San Diego when in theory they could live anywhere in the world, including many nice places with much lower cost of living.[/quote]
Cheaper isn’t necessarily better. Some value cheaper, some value better
ParticipantA lot of people have and make a lot more money lots of places than you seem to grasp. Just spent two days golfing with a couple just like that. What we take for granted every day they marvel at. Then I shared a bottle of wine with a friend that is a retired tech CEO / founder from Silicon Valley who is very active in private equity and Angel investing here. His group looks at what is already in place here and see amazing things coming in. Life sciences, tech, pharma etc. They can’t believe it’s taken this long for SD to really step on the worldwide stage front and center for incubating leading edge companies. They are anticipating great things here also. This isn’t coming from someone sitting on the sidelines but rather someone right in the middle of it all
Participant[quote=deadzone]Uh, San Diego has always been a transplant city. Nothing revolutionary happening here, other than 10+ years ago the transplants didn’t announce their moves on Facebook or Linkein.
Regarding freelancing and working from home/remote, no shit who wouldn’t want to do this given the choice? But reality will set in for the majority of folks who don’t necessarily have the leverage to force that on their employers.[/quote]
As mentioned above the first half of this is correct. We have always had a large share of people relocating here for work. The second half is what is different.
I love talking to people in every day life and hearing their stories. I do it almost every day multple times. Its why I think I might enjoy driving uber some day to meet lots of interesting people and hear their stories. That would be fun for me.
I live in an active social community and meet lots of new folks all the time. The stories have always been overwhelmingly we moved here for work. Now the stories are overwhelmingly we always wanted to live here and now we can. Ive met numerous folks working remotely and living here by choice. Not just engineers but also executives, freelancers, business owners running businesses far away and more.
Yesterday morning met a guy who moved down a few months ago from Silicon Valley. Spent the last decade plus at one of the FAANG companies. Shares are up more than 50X since he started there. Most of that the last few years. Left his job and taking a year off to spend with his young kids. Already loves it here and said they’ll never leave. Non-stop visitors from Silly Valley. Still owns the house there and plans to sell that in 2 years while he can still take cap gain exclusion. Knows he can easily get a job with his experience anywhere he lives whether remotely or not if he decides to go back to work. Doesnt have to.
Ive been having conversations with people that way in my daily life for more than 20 years here. Nearly everyday I meet people with stories that are far different than what I had been hearing the last 2 decades. The world has changed and even moreso around here
Participantheading out play some golf ironically with friends from the East Coast who are considering moving here. Up here we have always had a huge number of people relocating here. I don’t think that’s new. What’s new is who and why a lot of these people coming here are. Was at my pool loosening up the joints in the hot tub this morning and met another one of them. I’ll share their story tomorrow when I have time.
ParticipantIf you say so
Participant[quote=Coronita][quote=deadzone][quote=an][quote=deadzone]I am more interested in what formal education/certs etc. are expected or mandatory for these positions. It sounds like the answer is no formal college degree is necessarily a requirement. If anything a CS degree would be a logical starting point. Any type of Engineering degree would be overkill or out of place. Which makes me wonder why do they call themselves “Engineers”? An overused term in technology in my opinion. Software Developer or Mobile developer would be more appropriate.[/quote]
Wow, the snobbery here is nauseating.[/quote]Hey I’m anti formal education and particularly a critic of snob schools like Ivy or UC system as being overrated so I’m not the snob here. I’m merely pointing out a pet peeve that everyone in technology likes to call themselves Engineers even if the don’t have a degree in Engineering. I think that is inappropriate and unnecessary. Bottom line you don’t have to be an “Engineer” to code smart phone apps.
But I do realize the reality of the situation is there is virtually no chance to get your foot in the door as an entry level developer at any serious technology company without a CS degree or similar. And without that foot in the door you can’t gain the industry experience needed for any higher paying job.[/quote]
Let’s put it this way… Everything you do is about the chance of opening extra opportunity doors. The more you have, the more chances.
The “degree” from a particular college is really only needed maybe when you have no experience. But honestly, at least in the mobile space, if you have no experience, a degree from a fancy college is not going to make you a better candidate then some kid from a not so fancy school that’s been writing apps (as simple as they might be) while they were in high school or for fun while in college. That speaks a lot more than getting a 4.0 in some degree option.
Some companies (not all) require a B.S. or M.S. for senior management positions because it’s mainly to preserve face in the view of the public and there are some companies that pride itself of bragging it’s senior management staff are from pedigree institutions but not all and I would say not most.
I think what really boils done to when I hire someone is I can pretty quickly tell who is doing this because they really like to do this…versus who is doing mobile but could care less about mobile…
It’s the sort of answers to things when you ask that a normal, run of the mill person who took a few courses a “DeVry” or “FullSailUniversity” who are unqualified trying to con their way into getting hired versus people who have been doing this and spending a lot of their free time doing stuff that normally wouldn’t come up with the jobs that they are working in. Most really good mobile engineers know so much more than would would have been possible for them to learn at their current job, and those are the folks you want to hire, not the ones just sitting at the desk doing what they are told to do and haven’t demonstrated any self-drive to learn anything beyond what their job requires of them.
There might be some correlation between being degreed at a good college and work ethics and passion to self learn… I mean, usually the people who aren’t terribly gifted who got into a good school probably put a lot of effort into do that. So, maybe there is a propensity for those people to also put in the time and effort into learning above and beyond what they are told…But there are exceptions of people who didn’t go to college that make great software engineers too because theu were self driven. There aren’t as many but there are some.
Some people like to quickly say that Bill Gates and Mark Z didn’t go to college, and look how successful they are, therefore college isnt required…Yeah, well, Bill Gates and Mark Z are probably the exceptionally smart people that didn’t need college who are motivated themselves and can learn themselves…People who say this are most likely nowhere near the same capability as Bill Gates or Mark Z, and seem to be talking themselves out of college or things, erroneously thinking they are as exceptionally gifted as Bill G and Mark Z. Well if they were, they won’t be talking about how much they don’t need college. They would already be executing and demonstrating how successful they are…
Stop kidding yourself “you don’t need something to do well, you don’t need to do X to have opportunity”…Those things are additional chances of opportunity. They might not be successful chances, but they are extra chances…like extra scratchers on a lottery ticket…Every single time someone dismisses something as “I don’t need this, I don’t need to do Y”, all that person is doing is working towards a path of guaranteed being unsuccessful. It’s not one specific thing that is going to hold the person back…It’s the persistent negativity the person has on dismissing every new thing that comes along the way…to the point that the person doesn’t bother to try most things, thereby severely limiting chances of opportunity well before he/she has even tried…
Like my kid who refuses to try any sport because my kid thinks they suck at all sports. Well that might be true, but by not trying, that’s a 100% guarantee…congrats on talking oneself into 100% failure without lifting a finger. People are too fvcking negative for their own good. And I think the real thing is they are afraid when people do what they don’t want do, those people might actually be successful.[/quote]
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
Wayne Gretzky
Participant[quote=deadzone][quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=deadzone]I appreciate your unique journey/story. But was mainly curious what background you expect when you hire for those “mobile” positions. But relating to your story, yes not only is Ivy league obviously way overkill for a job in technology, I would argue UCSD degree is overkill too. Or an Engineering degree at all. I mean Engineering degree is a good filter to ensure a candidate has a proven analytical and problem solving skills. But certainly little you learn in College is directly related to developing mobile apps.[/quote]
Of course. When I went to college, there’s no such thing as Android, iOS, Kotlin, Swift, etc. But I did learn object oriented design, how to think and solve problems, how to make things work and how to prioritize implementations in order to have a fully working feature at the other end.[/quote]1. Take one object oriented programming class. See if you like it or hate it.
2. If you hate it, the another object oriented programming class and see if you like it or hate it.
If you still like it and it’s easy to understand, then you have everything you need to get into this field.
3. Specifically for mobile. Good mobile engineers know how to detail with async programming and the rest is just practice after practice.[/quote]
I am more interested in what formal education/certs etc. are expected or mandatory for these positions. It sounds like the answer is no formal college degree is necessarily a requirement. If anything a CS degree would be a logical starting point. Any type of Engineering degree would be overkill or out of place. Which makes me wonder why do they call themselves “Engineers”? An overused term in technology in my opinion. Software Developer or Mobile developer would be more appropriate.[/quote]
No middle age guy becomes a mobile engineer after a career in legacy systems for fun. They only do it because they need money
ParticipantBetter yet. Take all three jobs!
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