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[quote=Russell]Besides fair market value, the people getting evicted should get a percentage of all future profits from the land and airspace above. If 30 stories go up they get a percentage of profit on all those assets.

I have 20 acres and I am allowed to build just two houses. What would piss me off, is that any of the potential beyond that would be taken and given to a third party by eminent domain and re-zoning favors.

Many people buy and hold property and wait for demographic shifts or population growth to benefit them. To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing.[/quote]

Wow Russell that is so true. That would be incredulous if you had to maintain your two home policy for your land, unable to generate more tax revenue and another entity could come in and take over for that exact reason. That is another way to look at it; the restrictions you have on your own property in making it more profitable and how your rights are not as inalienable as that of a powerfully wealthy person or business.

I also agree that people buy and hold property hoping to see an increase in its value “To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing”. You are forced to sell out early unable to enjoy the benefits of a place that might have been a piece of coal, but you saw a diamond in it.

In regards to the beginning of your reply-not only did Mr. Mesdaq not get any future share or even stock options- Marriot has fought him tooth and nail in the 7.5 million they were ordered to pay. They appealed and won one time and I’m not sure where it’s out now, but I don’t think he has yet to see any money and he claims his lawyer fees exceed 3 million.

That case is sad. Sure, hard work will usually trump luck, but Mesdaq can work and work, but the location he relocated to on J is yet comparable to his original Gaslamp one.

Also, if eminent domain legally upholds only seizing property at fair market value- what if an owner bought at the top of the market and they were forced out at the bottom? Could they be upside down in their home and unable to even buy another one?

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[quote=Russell]Besides fair market value, the people getting evicted should get a percentage of all future profits from the land and airspace above. If 30 stories go up they get a percentage of profit on all those assets.

I have 20 acres and I am allowed to build just two houses. What would piss me off, is that any of the potential beyond that would be taken and given to a third party by eminent domain and re-zoning favors.

Many people buy and hold property and wait for demographic shifts or population growth to benefit them. To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing.[/quote]

Wow Russell that is so true. That would be incredulous if you had to maintain your two home policy for your land, unable to generate more tax revenue and another entity could come in and take over for that exact reason. That is another way to look at it; the restrictions you have on your own property in making it more profitable and how your rights are not as inalienable as that of a powerfully wealthy person or business.

I also agree that people buy and hold property hoping to see an increase in its value “To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing”. You are forced to sell out early unable to enjoy the benefits of a place that might have been a piece of coal, but you saw a diamond in it.

In regards to the beginning of your reply-not only did Mr. Mesdaq not get any future share or even stock options- Marriot has fought him tooth and nail in the 7.5 million they were ordered to pay. They appealed and won one time and I’m not sure where it’s out now, but I don’t think he has yet to see any money and he claims his lawyer fees exceed 3 million.

That case is sad. Sure, hard work will usually trump luck, but Mesdaq can work and work, but the location he relocated to on J is yet comparable to his original Gaslamp one.

Also, if eminent domain legally upholds only seizing property at fair market value- what if an owner bought at the top of the market and they were forced out at the bottom? Could they be upside down in their home and unable to even buy another one?

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[quote=Russell]Besides fair market value, the people getting evicted should get a percentage of all future profits from the land and airspace above. If 30 stories go up they get a percentage of profit on all those assets.

I have 20 acres and I am allowed to build just two houses. What would piss me off, is that any of the potential beyond that would be taken and given to a third party by eminent domain and re-zoning favors.

Many people buy and hold property and wait for demographic shifts or population growth to benefit them. To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing.[/quote]

Wow Russell that is so true. That would be incredulous if you had to maintain your two home policy for your land, unable to generate more tax revenue and another entity could come in and take over for that exact reason. That is another way to look at it; the restrictions you have on your own property in making it more profitable and how your rights are not as inalienable as that of a powerfully wealthy person or business.

I also agree that people buy and hold property hoping to see an increase in its value “To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing”. You are forced to sell out early unable to enjoy the benefits of a place that might have been a piece of coal, but you saw a diamond in it.

In regards to the beginning of your reply-not only did Mr. Mesdaq not get any future share or even stock options- Marriot has fought him tooth and nail in the 7.5 million they were ordered to pay. They appealed and won one time and I’m not sure where it’s out now, but I don’t think he has yet to see any money and he claims his lawyer fees exceed 3 million.

That case is sad. Sure, hard work will usually trump luck, but Mesdaq can work and work, but the location he relocated to on J is yet comparable to his original Gaslamp one.

Also, if eminent domain legally upholds only seizing property at fair market value- what if an owner bought at the top of the market and they were forced out at the bottom? Could they be upside down in their home and unable to even buy another one?

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[quote=Russell]Besides fair market value, the people getting evicted should get a percentage of all future profits from the land and airspace above. If 30 stories go up they get a percentage of profit on all those assets.

I have 20 acres and I am allowed to build just two houses. What would piss me off, is that any of the potential beyond that would be taken and given to a third party by eminent domain and re-zoning favors.

Many people buy and hold property and wait for demographic shifts or population growth to benefit them. To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing.[/quote]

Wow Russell that is so true. That would be incredulous if you had to maintain your two home policy for your land, unable to generate more tax revenue and another entity could come in and take over for that exact reason. That is another way to look at it; the restrictions you have on your own property in making it more profitable and how your rights are not as inalienable as that of a powerfully wealthy person or business.

I also agree that people buy and hold property hoping to see an increase in its value “To turn around a give the value/potential of that mostly to the few connected, is stealing”. You are forced to sell out early unable to enjoy the benefits of a place that might have been a piece of coal, but you saw a diamond in it.

In regards to the beginning of your reply-not only did Mr. Mesdaq not get any future share or even stock options- Marriot has fought him tooth and nail in the 7.5 million they were ordered to pay. They appealed and won one time and I’m not sure where it’s out now, but I don’t think he has yet to see any money and he claims his lawyer fees exceed 3 million.

That case is sad. Sure, hard work will usually trump luck, but Mesdaq can work and work, but the location he relocated to on J is yet comparable to his original Gaslamp one.

Also, if eminent domain legally upholds only seizing property at fair market value- what if an owner bought at the top of the market and they were forced out at the bottom? Could they be upside down in their home and unable to even buy another one?

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The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

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When my friends post comments to my Facebook page, I don’t archive their posts. Do you? Do you even have that capability? Why does the White House have the capability to archive posts on Facebook that other users do not? And if you DID have this capability, wouldn’t you let your friends know, “Hey, by the way, I plan to collect all the information you send my way.” I would immediately wonder, “Why do you need to do that?”

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Of course they are archived. You can go back from the time you opened your account and see what anyone has written. Sure you can delete your comments, but you can always copy it, post it yourself and then no one can touch it.

Would I do this to a person who told me about their pizza lunch? Probably not. If anyone ever wrote something derogatory or threatening I would probably save it.

If I had ever written to the WH under GW or wrote on the WH FB page you better believe I know that it would be archived indefinitely.

Maybe I’m only seeing what I want to see with your post, but I really don’t get your surprise and irritation.

The internet is not private- even your own e-mail accounts aren’t private. Hell, even your phone calls aren’t private anymore. I’m pretty sure two cans tied together with strings are private though.

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The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

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When my friends post comments to my Facebook page, I don’t archive their posts. Do you? Do you even have that capability? Why does the White House have the capability to archive posts on Facebook that other users do not? And if you DID have this capability, wouldn’t you let your friends know, “Hey, by the way, I plan to collect all the information you send my way.” I would immediately wonder, “Why do you need to do that?”

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Of course they are archived. You can go back from the time you opened your account and see what anyone has written. Sure you can delete your comments, but you can always copy it, post it yourself and then no one can touch it.

Would I do this to a person who told me about their pizza lunch? Probably not. If anyone ever wrote something derogatory or threatening I would probably save it.

If I had ever written to the WH under GW or wrote on the WH FB page you better believe I know that it would be archived indefinitely.

Maybe I’m only seeing what I want to see with your post, but I really don’t get your surprise and irritation.

The internet is not private- even your own e-mail accounts aren’t private. Hell, even your phone calls aren’t private anymore. I’m pretty sure two cans tied together with strings are private though.

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The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

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When my friends post comments to my Facebook page, I don’t archive their posts. Do you? Do you even have that capability? Why does the White House have the capability to archive posts on Facebook that other users do not? And if you DID have this capability, wouldn’t you let your friends know, “Hey, by the way, I plan to collect all the information you send my way.” I would immediately wonder, “Why do you need to do that?”

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Of course they are archived. You can go back from the time you opened your account and see what anyone has written. Sure you can delete your comments, but you can always copy it, post it yourself and then no one can touch it.

Would I do this to a person who told me about their pizza lunch? Probably not. If anyone ever wrote something derogatory or threatening I would probably save it.

If I had ever written to the WH under GW or wrote on the WH FB page you better believe I know that it would be archived indefinitely.

Maybe I’m only seeing what I want to see with your post, but I really don’t get your surprise and irritation.

The internet is not private- even your own e-mail accounts aren’t private. Hell, even your phone calls aren’t private anymore. I’m pretty sure two cans tied together with strings are private though.

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The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

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When my friends post comments to my Facebook page, I don’t archive their posts. Do you? Do you even have that capability? Why does the White House have the capability to archive posts on Facebook that other users do not? And if you DID have this capability, wouldn’t you let your friends know, “Hey, by the way, I plan to collect all the information you send my way.” I would immediately wonder, “Why do you need to do that?”

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Of course they are archived. You can go back from the time you opened your account and see what anyone has written. Sure you can delete your comments, but you can always copy it, post it yourself and then no one can touch it.

Would I do this to a person who told me about their pizza lunch? Probably not. If anyone ever wrote something derogatory or threatening I would probably save it.

If I had ever written to the WH under GW or wrote on the WH FB page you better believe I know that it would be archived indefinitely.

Maybe I’m only seeing what I want to see with your post, but I really don’t get your surprise and irritation.

The internet is not private- even your own e-mail accounts aren’t private. Hell, even your phone calls aren’t private anymore. I’m pretty sure two cans tied together with strings are private though.

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The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

[/quote]

When my friends post comments to my Facebook page, I don’t archive their posts. Do you? Do you even have that capability? Why does the White House have the capability to archive posts on Facebook that other users do not? And if you DID have this capability, wouldn’t you let your friends know, “Hey, by the way, I plan to collect all the information you send my way.” I would immediately wonder, “Why do you need to do that?”

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Of course they are archived. You can go back from the time you opened your account and see what anyone has written. Sure you can delete your comments, but you can always copy it, post it yourself and then no one can touch it.

Would I do this to a person who told me about their pizza lunch? Probably not. If anyone ever wrote something derogatory or threatening I would probably save it.

If I had ever written to the WH under GW or wrote on the WH FB page you better believe I know that it would be archived indefinitely.

Maybe I’m only seeing what I want to see with your post, but I really don’t get your surprise and irritation.

The internet is not private- even your own e-mail accounts aren’t private. Hell, even your phone calls aren’t private anymore. I’m pretty sure two cans tied together with strings are private though.

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[quote=Arraya] I wonder what the people who voted for him think of his throwing Israel under the bus??

How dare Obama ask Israel to stop STEALING land. The horror![/quote]

lol. My good friend Guy is an Israeli who has been here for about 4 years. You might be surprised at how many young Israelis hate many of their govt past and present policies.

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[quote=Arraya] I wonder what the people who voted for him think of his throwing Israel under the bus??

How dare Obama ask Israel to stop STEALING land. The horror![/quote]

lol. My good friend Guy is an Israeli who has been here for about 4 years. You might be surprised at how many young Israelis hate many of their govt past and present policies.

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[quote=Arraya] I wonder what the people who voted for him think of his throwing Israel under the bus??

How dare Obama ask Israel to stop STEALING land. The horror![/quote]

lol. My good friend Guy is an Israeli who has been here for about 4 years. You might be surprised at how many young Israelis hate many of their govt past and present policies.

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[quote=Arraya] I wonder what the people who voted for him think of his throwing Israel under the bus??

How dare Obama ask Israel to stop STEALING land. The horror![/quote]

lol. My good friend Guy is an Israeli who has been here for about 4 years. You might be surprised at how many young Israelis hate many of their govt past and present policies.

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[quote=Arraya] I wonder what the people who voted for him think of his throwing Israel under the bus??

How dare Obama ask Israel to stop STEALING land. The horror![/quote]

lol. My good friend Guy is an Israeli who has been here for about 4 years. You might be surprised at how many young Israelis hate many of their govt past and present policies.

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My fiance works for SAIC at the SPAWAR location and not the LJ one. I called him yesterday when I saw the article on SignOn. No one there had heard anything about it, but it definitely doesn’t mean its not true.

Today, no one is sweating the news. He thinks the high level admin people we’ll leave, but they have so much work in SD that its not very likely the entire SD operation will be shot down. In fact it would be pretty stupid for them to leave and they have contracts already funded.

We live in Mission Hills. Sure a lot of folks live around the 805, but a lot of the people are retired career military who bought over 20 years ago. They have homes in La Jolla, Coronado, Kearny and all over. My guy is 35 and one of the younger ones there.

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