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SDEngineer
ParticipantPity that the average Joe didn’t see any of that growth though. The average middle class wage-earner now makes less after inflation today (and that’s the ridiculously understated inflation measure they use now that excludes energy from inflation)than they did in 2000. And, of course, lets not forget the folks who had good jobs in tech or manufacturing who lost those jobs during the massive outsourcing earlier this decade, only to see Bush and company replace those jobs with “McJobs” like Wal-Mart greeter.
Of course, those tax cuts and economic growth have been great for the guys like Cheney and Bush who have seen their investment money explode (of course, it helps when you can give multi-billion dollar no-bid government contracts to your old cronies who you still have tons of stock interests in), as well as CEO’s and other top executives who now take home almost 10% of the corporate pie (up from 5% of the corporate pie in the mid-90s). It’s a gangbuster economy for them.
SDEngineer
ParticipantPity that the average Joe didn’t see any of that growth though. The average middle class wage-earner now makes less after inflation today (and that’s the ridiculously understated inflation measure they use now that excludes energy from inflation)than they did in 2000. And, of course, lets not forget the folks who had good jobs in tech or manufacturing who lost those jobs during the massive outsourcing earlier this decade, only to see Bush and company replace those jobs with “McJobs” like Wal-Mart greeter.
Of course, those tax cuts and economic growth have been great for the guys like Cheney and Bush who have seen their investment money explode (of course, it helps when you can give multi-billion dollar no-bid government contracts to your old cronies who you still have tons of stock interests in), as well as CEO’s and other top executives who now take home almost 10% of the corporate pie (up from 5% of the corporate pie in the mid-90s). It’s a gangbuster economy for them.
SDEngineer
ParticipantPity that the average Joe didn’t see any of that growth though. The average middle class wage-earner now makes less after inflation today (and that’s the ridiculously understated inflation measure they use now that excludes energy from inflation)than they did in 2000. And, of course, lets not forget the folks who had good jobs in tech or manufacturing who lost those jobs during the massive outsourcing earlier this decade, only to see Bush and company replace those jobs with “McJobs” like Wal-Mart greeter.
Of course, those tax cuts and economic growth have been great for the guys like Cheney and Bush who have seen their investment money explode (of course, it helps when you can give multi-billion dollar no-bid government contracts to your old cronies who you still have tons of stock interests in), as well as CEO’s and other top executives who now take home almost 10% of the corporate pie (up from 5% of the corporate pie in the mid-90s). It’s a gangbuster economy for them.
SDEngineer
ParticipantPity that the average Joe didn’t see any of that growth though. The average middle class wage-earner now makes less after inflation today (and that’s the ridiculously understated inflation measure they use now that excludes energy from inflation)than they did in 2000. And, of course, lets not forget the folks who had good jobs in tech or manufacturing who lost those jobs during the massive outsourcing earlier this decade, only to see Bush and company replace those jobs with “McJobs” like Wal-Mart greeter.
Of course, those tax cuts and economic growth have been great for the guys like Cheney and Bush who have seen their investment money explode (of course, it helps when you can give multi-billion dollar no-bid government contracts to your old cronies who you still have tons of stock interests in), as well as CEO’s and other top executives who now take home almost 10% of the corporate pie (up from 5% of the corporate pie in the mid-90s). It’s a gangbuster economy for them.
SDEngineer
ParticipantPity that the average Joe didn’t see any of that growth though. The average middle class wage-earner now makes less after inflation today (and that’s the ridiculously understated inflation measure they use now that excludes energy from inflation)than they did in 2000. And, of course, lets not forget the folks who had good jobs in tech or manufacturing who lost those jobs during the massive outsourcing earlier this decade, only to see Bush and company replace those jobs with “McJobs” like Wal-Mart greeter.
Of course, those tax cuts and economic growth have been great for the guys like Cheney and Bush who have seen their investment money explode (of course, it helps when you can give multi-billion dollar no-bid government contracts to your old cronies who you still have tons of stock interests in), as well as CEO’s and other top executives who now take home almost 10% of the corporate pie (up from 5% of the corporate pie in the mid-90s). It’s a gangbuster economy for them.
SDEngineer
Participant“For Obama to try to disassociate himself from Wright after 20 years is dumber than “I didn’t inhale”. Of course He got elected. ”
Sort of like trying to disassociate yourself from a incredibly unpopular President who’s policies you’ve been a solid supporter of for the past 5 years?
In the current atmosphere, McCain has far more significant exploitable flaws than attempting to tie a candidate to his previous pastor’s most extreme views with the insinuation that he must believe all of them as well. It’d be hard to pin that one on Obama, since there is nothing he has on the record that says he supports any of those positions (and plenty on the record to the contrary). McCain, on the other hand, has plenty of soundbites of recent vintage that can be used to directly tie him to Bush’s least popular policies (and, for that matter, on many of them paint him as a flip-flopper as well).
SDEngineer
Participant“For Obama to try to disassociate himself from Wright after 20 years is dumber than “I didn’t inhale”. Of course He got elected. ”
Sort of like trying to disassociate yourself from a incredibly unpopular President who’s policies you’ve been a solid supporter of for the past 5 years?
In the current atmosphere, McCain has far more significant exploitable flaws than attempting to tie a candidate to his previous pastor’s most extreme views with the insinuation that he must believe all of them as well. It’d be hard to pin that one on Obama, since there is nothing he has on the record that says he supports any of those positions (and plenty on the record to the contrary). McCain, on the other hand, has plenty of soundbites of recent vintage that can be used to directly tie him to Bush’s least popular policies (and, for that matter, on many of them paint him as a flip-flopper as well).
SDEngineer
Participant“For Obama to try to disassociate himself from Wright after 20 years is dumber than “I didn’t inhale”. Of course He got elected. ”
Sort of like trying to disassociate yourself from a incredibly unpopular President who’s policies you’ve been a solid supporter of for the past 5 years?
In the current atmosphere, McCain has far more significant exploitable flaws than attempting to tie a candidate to his previous pastor’s most extreme views with the insinuation that he must believe all of them as well. It’d be hard to pin that one on Obama, since there is nothing he has on the record that says he supports any of those positions (and plenty on the record to the contrary). McCain, on the other hand, has plenty of soundbites of recent vintage that can be used to directly tie him to Bush’s least popular policies (and, for that matter, on many of them paint him as a flip-flopper as well).
SDEngineer
Participant“For Obama to try to disassociate himself from Wright after 20 years is dumber than “I didn’t inhale”. Of course He got elected. ”
Sort of like trying to disassociate yourself from a incredibly unpopular President who’s policies you’ve been a solid supporter of for the past 5 years?
In the current atmosphere, McCain has far more significant exploitable flaws than attempting to tie a candidate to his previous pastor’s most extreme views with the insinuation that he must believe all of them as well. It’d be hard to pin that one on Obama, since there is nothing he has on the record that says he supports any of those positions (and plenty on the record to the contrary). McCain, on the other hand, has plenty of soundbites of recent vintage that can be used to directly tie him to Bush’s least popular policies (and, for that matter, on many of them paint him as a flip-flopper as well).
SDEngineer
Participant“For Obama to try to disassociate himself from Wright after 20 years is dumber than “I didn’t inhale”. Of course He got elected. ”
Sort of like trying to disassociate yourself from a incredibly unpopular President who’s policies you’ve been a solid supporter of for the past 5 years?
In the current atmosphere, McCain has far more significant exploitable flaws than attempting to tie a candidate to his previous pastor’s most extreme views with the insinuation that he must believe all of them as well. It’d be hard to pin that one on Obama, since there is nothing he has on the record that says he supports any of those positions (and plenty on the record to the contrary). McCain, on the other hand, has plenty of soundbites of recent vintage that can be used to directly tie him to Bush’s least popular policies (and, for that matter, on many of them paint him as a flip-flopper as well).
SDEngineer
ParticipantOceanside isn’t generally considered a good area of San Diego to buy in – yes, it’s on the coast, but it’s demographics are pretty low end, it’s a long commute to most of the good job centers and attractions in San Diego (with the exception of the Carlsbad area jobs/attractions), it has significant gang issues in areas, an overall poor school district, and is generally considered a lower middle-class area to live in.
Scripps Ranch is considered a well-to-do upper middle-class area, some of the best schools in San Diego (Poway Unified School District, one of the two best in SD), and while definitely a suburban area, isn’t too far out from the main job centers and attractions in San Diego. Drawback is that the particular developments you are looking at are at the edges of Scripps Ranch, which is considered to be a very severe wildfire hazard area.
Between the two, I’d take Scripps Ranch in a heartbeat (and have – lived in San Diego all my life, I’ve lived in Scripps twice. I wouldn’t live in Oceanside unless I was paid to). Just keep your fire insurance up to date in Scripps, and make sure your builder is creating a very good perimeter (and that you maintain that perimeter once bought).
You might also try looking in the Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch areas – both are also high end areas with excellent schools with ample choices in the million $$$ range.
SDEngineer
ParticipantOceanside isn’t generally considered a good area of San Diego to buy in – yes, it’s on the coast, but it’s demographics are pretty low end, it’s a long commute to most of the good job centers and attractions in San Diego (with the exception of the Carlsbad area jobs/attractions), it has significant gang issues in areas, an overall poor school district, and is generally considered a lower middle-class area to live in.
Scripps Ranch is considered a well-to-do upper middle-class area, some of the best schools in San Diego (Poway Unified School District, one of the two best in SD), and while definitely a suburban area, isn’t too far out from the main job centers and attractions in San Diego. Drawback is that the particular developments you are looking at are at the edges of Scripps Ranch, which is considered to be a very severe wildfire hazard area.
Between the two, I’d take Scripps Ranch in a heartbeat (and have – lived in San Diego all my life, I’ve lived in Scripps twice. I wouldn’t live in Oceanside unless I was paid to). Just keep your fire insurance up to date in Scripps, and make sure your builder is creating a very good perimeter (and that you maintain that perimeter once bought).
You might also try looking in the Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch areas – both are also high end areas with excellent schools with ample choices in the million $$$ range.
SDEngineer
ParticipantOceanside isn’t generally considered a good area of San Diego to buy in – yes, it’s on the coast, but it’s demographics are pretty low end, it’s a long commute to most of the good job centers and attractions in San Diego (with the exception of the Carlsbad area jobs/attractions), it has significant gang issues in areas, an overall poor school district, and is generally considered a lower middle-class area to live in.
Scripps Ranch is considered a well-to-do upper middle-class area, some of the best schools in San Diego (Poway Unified School District, one of the two best in SD), and while definitely a suburban area, isn’t too far out from the main job centers and attractions in San Diego. Drawback is that the particular developments you are looking at are at the edges of Scripps Ranch, which is considered to be a very severe wildfire hazard area.
Between the two, I’d take Scripps Ranch in a heartbeat (and have – lived in San Diego all my life, I’ve lived in Scripps twice. I wouldn’t live in Oceanside unless I was paid to). Just keep your fire insurance up to date in Scripps, and make sure your builder is creating a very good perimeter (and that you maintain that perimeter once bought).
You might also try looking in the Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch areas – both are also high end areas with excellent schools with ample choices in the million $$$ range.
SDEngineer
ParticipantOceanside isn’t generally considered a good area of San Diego to buy in – yes, it’s on the coast, but it’s demographics are pretty low end, it’s a long commute to most of the good job centers and attractions in San Diego (with the exception of the Carlsbad area jobs/attractions), it has significant gang issues in areas, an overall poor school district, and is generally considered a lower middle-class area to live in.
Scripps Ranch is considered a well-to-do upper middle-class area, some of the best schools in San Diego (Poway Unified School District, one of the two best in SD), and while definitely a suburban area, isn’t too far out from the main job centers and attractions in San Diego. Drawback is that the particular developments you are looking at are at the edges of Scripps Ranch, which is considered to be a very severe wildfire hazard area.
Between the two, I’d take Scripps Ranch in a heartbeat (and have – lived in San Diego all my life, I’ve lived in Scripps twice. I wouldn’t live in Oceanside unless I was paid to). Just keep your fire insurance up to date in Scripps, and make sure your builder is creating a very good perimeter (and that you maintain that perimeter once bought).
You might also try looking in the Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch areas – both are also high end areas with excellent schools with ample choices in the million $$$ range.
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