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[quote=bobby]$28/hour. that’s engineer’s wage. A typical engineer is an above average student that have gone on to higher education for 4 years or more.
an typical UAW member is likely a HS graduate with likely average work ethics.

UAW does not play by free market pricing. market pricing for these folks is not $28/hour.
their spending habits are not supported by their skill level.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0509/18/A01-318432.htm

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Huh? $28/hr is what an engineer can expect to make the day they graduate from college – it’s far from the “average” engineers wage. An engineer at the midpoint of their career track (say with 10-15 years of experience) should be making close to double that.

I’m pretty sure that the wages for a UAW worker aren’t anywhere near that when they get out of their trade school.

As others have pointed out here, a large portion of that $73/hr that some are quoting here is the result of the overly generous packages that the current UAW workers no longer get. And, frankly, I don’t see much wrong with the average UAW worker in the prime of his career making a bit more than the local waiter makes for doing a much tougher and more physically demanding job – and the wages and benefits packages currently offered are not out of line with the packages which their non-union competitors pay. The problem that GM has, as others have again pointed out, is that they are living with the legacy of much higher compensation packages in the past, which they didn’t fund properly, and so they “jimmy” the books now to fund their PAST compensation packages by paying the CURRENT employees a phantom wage that is appropriated into their PAST pension obligations.

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[quote=jficquette][quote=CONCHO]If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.[/quote]

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don’t have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

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You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he’s released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it’s phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it’s a fake anymore.

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[quote=jficquette][quote=CONCHO]If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.[/quote]

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don’t have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

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You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he’s released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it’s phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it’s a fake anymore.

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[quote=jficquette][quote=CONCHO]If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.[/quote]

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don’t have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

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You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he’s released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it’s phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it’s a fake anymore.

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[quote=jficquette][quote=CONCHO]If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.[/quote]

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don’t have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

[/quote]

You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he’s released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it’s phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it’s a fake anymore.

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[quote=jficquette][quote=CONCHO]If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.[/quote]

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don’t have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

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You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he’s released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it’s phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it’s a fake anymore.

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[quote=jficquette]”When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

“If you’ll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington,” Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. “I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-tells-vir.html

If that doesn’t scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

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This coming from the guy who’s supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about “God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns” for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the “REAL” Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

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[quote=jficquette]”When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

“If you’ll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington,” Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. “I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-tells-vir.html

If that doesn’t scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

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This coming from the guy who’s supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about “God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns” for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the “REAL” Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

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[quote=jficquette]”When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

“If you’ll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington,” Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. “I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-tells-vir.html

If that doesn’t scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

[/quote]

This coming from the guy who’s supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about “God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns” for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the “REAL” Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]”When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

“If you’ll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington,” Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. “I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-tells-vir.html

If that doesn’t scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

[/quote]

This coming from the guy who’s supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about “God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns” for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the “REAL” Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]”When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

“If you’ll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington,” Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. “I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-tells-vir.html

If that doesn’t scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

[/quote]

This coming from the guy who’s supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about “God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns” for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the “REAL” Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

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Thanks esmith

What do you think about mining stocks? They seem to be undervalued in general relative to the historical commodity prices as well?

Any tips/sectors that you think I should be looking at?

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Thanks esmith

What do you think about mining stocks? They seem to be undervalued in general relative to the historical commodity prices as well?

Any tips/sectors that you think I should be looking at?

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Thanks esmith

What do you think about mining stocks? They seem to be undervalued in general relative to the historical commodity prices as well?

Any tips/sectors that you think I should be looking at?

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Thanks esmith

What do you think about mining stocks? They seem to be undervalued in general relative to the historical commodity prices as well?

Any tips/sectors that you think I should be looking at?

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