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Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=gogogosandiego]Tomorrow in KY when idiots go to Church and don’t maintain social distancing etc their license plate # will be written down and they will be required to self quarantine for 14 days.
Should get fun if they don’t.
Regardless, none of this is tyranny.[/quote]
I always find it ironic that none of the major religions have anything resembling a bill of rights or protection against arbitrary judgement.[/quote]
Interesting thought. Participation in the religion is 100% voluntary so the only thing you would be “protected” from is shame within the organization, not from any real rights violation like incarceration.
ParticipantIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
The Epicurian Paradox.
Participant[quote=gogogosandiego]Tomorrow in KY when idiots go to Church and don’t maintain social distancing etc their license plate # will be written down and they will be required to self quarantine for 14 days. [/quote]
That actually makes perfect sense to me.
Arresting the minister does not, nor does arresting a dude for playing baseball in an empty park with his daughter.
Overall, I also think it is not tyranny. But, I have definitely been on watch for cases where it starts to be and the case in Florida is the only one, to me, that seems really bad.
In the end I think all of this curve-flattening is voluntary and government officials, while “issuing orders” know it and are behaving as such – not taking extreme measures to instill martial law.
Except for the odd toilet-licker or fruit-spitter, it is an impressive display of people imposing significant inconveniences on themselves to help a small portion of the world that is at-risk.
For now I think everyone “gets it.” When it gets to a point – as it will in San Diego soon – where people feel like it is not necessary and the governor keeps those orders open, it could get interesting.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]And if the govt cant restrict anything you do on your “private property”, try turning your abode into a strip club.[/quote]
You missed my point. My point was that the property owner can restrict behavior on their own property to a greater extent that the government can restrict behavior – because the bill of rights does not apply to private citizens.
From your own post:
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/criminal/the-right-to-gather-has-some-restrictions.html“Because the First Amendment applies only to government actions or laws that violate rights, private property owners are generally free to keep groups from protesting or gathering on their property.” Thisis one reason why YFIACT is not covered by the bill of rights.
Another is that, YFINACT violates the “peaceably” restriction. So, that is not an example where the government has violated the bill of rights.
If Amazon takes a book off their website they are not violating the author’s right of free speech as protected by the bill of rights.
With the strip club – Now you’ve gone all the way into zoning laws. Unconstitutional ? To me, probably but I am serious about my freedom.
But arresting people peaceably assembling in a private religious institution? That seems like a definite violation. How can it not be, oh great reader of constitutional cases ?
And to gogogosandiego, show me an example of where the Government has restricted a peaceful assembly at a church, ever, and not been shot down. Don’t show me a situation where they require permits for assembly on public property or prosecution of non-peaceful behavior such as YFIACT.
By the way, are Onion articles ever real ? I thought they were all made up.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=sdduuuude][quote=gogogosandiego]Theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this.
I posted 2 examples where the government has determined that there are limitations on First Amendment Rights.[/quote]
No, you didn’t. First ammendment rights don’t extend to how private property owners treat people on their own property. The government must follow the first ammendment at all times. Private property owners can restrict speech and behavior all they want on their own property.
So I agree, theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this, yet those are the examples you cited.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a violation of the property owner’s rights to maintain their theater the way they want.
Government does not require licenses for people to assemble on private property, especially church property.[/quote]
Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is not 1st am protected, even if the property owner herself does the yelling. Jeez louise.[/quote]
I am agreeing with that it is not protected.
The reason it is not protected is because the offended party is not the government and the property owner can restrict this behavior. The property owner could also post a sign that says “It is OK to yell fire in this theater when it is crowded and by being here you agree that this behavior is not regulated in any way.” then it would be protected behavior, but not by the first ammendment.
Good point about the property owner yelling. I believe that is a tacit agreement between the owner and guests that he will not endanger them or disrupt their experience.
The other guy was suggesting that because the first ammendment doesn’t protect yelling fire in a crowded theater that it makes sense for the government to arrest a preacher for holding mass. I don’t see the connection.
Participant[quote=gogogosandiego]Theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this.
I posted 2 examples where the government has determined that there are limitations on First Amendment Rights.[/quote]
No, you didn’t. First ammendment rights don’t extend to how private property owners treat people on their own property. The government must follow the first ammendment at all times. Private property owners can restrict speech and behavior all they want on their own property.
So I agree, theater owners and churches have nothing to do with this, yet those are the examples you cited.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a violation of the property owner’s rights to maintain their theater the way they want.
Government does not require licenses for people to assemble on private property, especially church property.
Participant[quote=gogogosandiego]LOL. What does the Bill of Right says about yelling fire in a crowded theatre [/quote]
The bill of rights does not prohibit a theater proprietor from making rules about the behavior of its customers on his or her own property.
[quote=gogogosandiego]… that you need a government issued permit before you can “assemble” in certain places?[/quote]
Church is not one of those places.
April 10, 2020 at 11:02 PM in reply to: What did you do with your remain-at-home corona virus day? #816404Participant[quote=Coronita]Upgraded my home wifi to a mesh network. Way better now in the fridges of some of my rooms. Whohoo.[/quote]
Wow. Wifi in your fridge. Hardcore.
Participant[quote=gogogosandiego]People are sick, people are dying, far more so than usual. Our governments are enacting common sense limitations and guidelines to keep more people from getting sick and dying while also allowing first responders and medical professionals to do their jobs w/o being overwhelmed.
Guess what? It’s working!
If it’s not followed voluntarily then it eventually will be enforced.
Guess which kind of people will cause it to be enforced? The ones who get my first paragraph or the ones worried about “tyranny”.[/quote]
FYI – the rights protected by the constitution are “unalienable.” That does not mean “you give them up when the government feels like you are in danger”
Just because it is “working” doesn’t mean it is constitutional.
Participant[quote=zk]The question is, “would the deaths plus economic damage caused by an unchecked coronavirus be worse than the deaths plus economic damage caused by the lockdown plus the virus in a lockdown situation?”
[/quote]That’s some good, quality analysis right there !
I think there is some optimization that could happen which isn’t happening, though. Our current response feels panicked, not optimized, especially in San Diego.
Somewhere on this blog someone posted a study recommending that we put all the kids back in school and keep older people on lockdown. This lets the youth develop herd immunity without endangering the vulnerable.
Still, New York has a higher deaths-per-1M than Italy now. So maybe the response there was not extreme enough and and maybe a little too extreme here.
I was reading about Switzerland’s approach today. Can’t find the article. Was interesting in that it was intended to allow conditions that could be sustained for a long period of time and allow herd immunity to build, but still flatten the curve.
April 10, 2020 at 12:24 PM in reply to: Los Angeles 1978, up in smoke, power, cops, tommy chong’s prison stint #816394Participant[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]
I cant even chuckle 4 those clips. Sorry. Too late 4 me.
watching THE OFFICE reruns. That makes me laugh.[/quote]
I have never liked the office. It just isn’t funny to me. Same with Friends. I just don’t get those shows.
I don’t watch network TV anymore so I can’t even name a network comedy show I like. Maybe The Ranch? Is that a comedy? I like it. Seems more like a soap opera lately…same with Atypical.
I do watch a lot of stand-up comedy on Youtube. That’s great. Dry Bar Comedy is consistently good.
About the most recent comedy show I liked was Seinfeld and I watch some British comedies on Netflix/Hulu like IT Group and Peep Show.[/quote]
Shameless plug for a friend who did some Dry Bar stuff.
he is doing a live zoom comedy show for $7 on Saturday.
So clever. And family friendly.Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I’d love to know the BMI of the deceased. Seems like weight is a big factor.[/quote]
How politically incorrect – body shaming people like that!
OK. I want to know, too, now.
Participant[quote=svelte]This country has been through the Civil War, World War 1, The Great Depression, and World War 2.
The magnitude of any of those events is many times worse than a little virus and rain. And we recovered from all of them.
2020 has knocked us down a couple of pegs, but this perturbed society to a much less degree than those other events.
I am ready for some sunshine![/quote]
In San Diego, a total of 6 people under the age of 60 have died.
ParticipantI thought humidity was harder on the virus than dry.
Cool and dry – happy virus, sad people
Warm and humid – sad virus, happy people.Is that not right ?
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