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May 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM in reply to: If you had a choice between Ron Paul and Ron Paul, which Ron Paul would you choose? #743133May 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM in reply to: If you had a choice between Ron Paul and Ron Paul, which Ron Paul would you choose? #743129
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ParticipantSweet. I love it when you ban people. It’s so sexy.
Ron Paul will be soooo under-represented now.
Rich, you must be heading for “mainstream” status. Beating down the RP supporters is the first step.
Now we can focus on more important things. Like prostitution.
May 4, 2012 at 5:07 PM in reply to: If you had a choice between Ron Paul and Ron Paul, which Ron Paul would you choose? #742986ParticipantIt’s username mayhem. Pretty funny.
If I’m getting this right, MM changed to MM. then someone else stole MM. And harvey is pri_dick but isn’t a dick ? I wasn’t fooled by the name, but by the fairly reasonable demeanor of harvey. If only changing personalities was as easy as changing a name …
ParticipantNot Best Buy. Best Bytes. A little local shop where they build their own. Been around for years. Moved there a few years ago from a Kearney Mesa location.
ParticipantGo to Best Bytes in the ‘hood south of University.
If they are still around.
Check Computer Edge for their ads to see what you can get.
OK, maybe they are too far south for you, but
the best thing about a computer from someone like them instead of Dell/HP, etc. is that it just has Windows on it and not the ton of invasive support and sales software that just takes up an already bloated OS.And lots of memory. That’s key. Get lots of memory.
SSD is a solid state drive. Stuff stored on semiconductors, not magnetic disc. Fast. Really Fast. Not everyone is convinced they are reliable enough.
May 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742949ParticipantBut, wait. We never touched on cosmetic surgery …
May 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742944Participantharvey – Agree that we end it here.
Again, this quote says it all for me:
[quote=harvey] … so I don’t see how that would not give them the power to tell people what they can and cannot buy.[/quote]
That isn’t one I made up or misattributed. You said it.
If that’s what you believe, I understand 100% how you are not in a position to support Ron Paul.
May 4, 2012 at 1:55 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742941Participant[quote=harvey][quote=sdduuuude]”To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”
Not between citizens.[/quote]
Are you saying that “among the several States” only means between when the states themselves, like if California buys something from Arizona?
I’ve never heard anyone claim that the commerce clause of the constitution did not apply to people.
This is another Ron Paul phenomenon though that I don’t think is productive. These semantic debates about the text of the constitution always come up. And it seems that the hundreds of supreme court decisions in our history are always just ignored or brushed aside as irrelevant.[/quote]
For all your talk of history lessons, you should have gotten this right.
May 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742937Participant[quote=harvey]so I am a bit suspect that they are all accurate.[/quote]
Me, too, but I still like them and they really aren’t too far off of the ideas Jefferson expresses in his writings. Ideas that drove the constitution.
And your commerce point is really off the mark.
May 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742932Participant[quote=harvey]What would “regulate commerce” mean if didn’t mean control what is bought and sold?[/quote]
Speaking of bogus quotes. The clause is this:
“To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”
Not between citizens.
May 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742926Participant[quote=harvey]The constitution gives the power to regulate commerce so I don’t see how that would not give them the power to tell people what they can and cannot buy.[/quote]
And, there you go. You think they have the right to tell people what they can and cannot buy and I don’t. Sometimes the purpose of a discussion is to get to a point where you disagree and just agree to disagree.
Personally, I believe that “regulate commerce” means to ensure that the transactions between individuals are not violating property rights or breaching contractual obligations.
[quote=harvey]The rich don’t own the poor today, certainly not like the slave labor conditions that existed in the late 19th century. In all the Ron Paul arguments I hear they always avoid discussing that time period in history as if it never happened.[/quote]
Probably because nobody on either side of Ron Paul think that is a good idea or is going to happen again.
[quote=harvey]The rich are getting richer today but I don’t see how Ron Paul’s policies would reverse that trend. In fact history teaches us that it would accelerate it.[/quote]
If these ideas have, as you say, never been tested, then how can history suggest that these ideas would accelerate this problem ?
You, and many others continue to, incorrectly, equate Ron Paul’s ideas with the idea that there should be zero recourse for corporations. Get that notion out of your head, please. It isn’t correct.
I believe that inappropriate government support of corporations would, for the most part, disappear and thus the corporations would lose a huge advantage. That’s the thing to realize.
May 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742924ParticipantGems, every one of them:
May 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742921Participant[quote=harvey]The founding fathers put a lot of careful consideration into the structure of their new model for government, they did study lots of history. [/quote]
There has been alot of study on this concept of freedom. Plenty to read there. It isn’t like I’m making it up myself.
My favorite piece is this one ” the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
Not “happiness”, but “the pursuit of happiness”. Not “liberty to only buy stuff the government says I can buy” but “liberty”
May 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742920ParticipantThey own the poor now. The rich are dictating, for example, that drug prices be out of their reach because the rich insist on expensive testing that only they can afford and disallow poor people from buying less expensive products because it doesn’t meet the standards of the rich. Poor people have to go to Mexico and to get affordable drugs that work for them. And, if they get caught bringing it across the border, they are considered criminals. I’m not seeing the love there.
There is no ethical problem with “testing” these products on poor people because it isn’t your decision. It is their decision. If they are so poor that they can only afford untesed drugs, and they want to make that choice, I find it unethical to stop them.
It is about freedom, harvey. Nothing more. You have every right to be careful about what you buy, and you have every right to only buy things that are fully tested. But, you don’t have the right to tell people what they can and cannot buy.
Look up some of Thomas Jefferson’s thoughts on banks and see if you don’t think we have strayed a bit from his thoughts on freedom.
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I’m not necessarily trying to sell you. Just trying to present a point without being defensive, abrasive or fanatical. I think we have both done that.
May 4, 2012 at 12:10 PM in reply to: Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions #742912Participant[quote=harvey]It seems odd to say you don’t care if an idea works but just want to try it out. We have a thousand years of history where just about everything has been tried.[/quote]
The US wouldn’t even exist in its current form if the founding fathers had decided to not try something that had never been tried before.
[quote=harvey] … thalidomide before and that’s a very powerful example that carries more weight with me than someone who is simply frustrated with the FDA because they can’t sell their product that hasn’t even been tested. [/quote]
It isn’t a matter of frustration. It can be a matter if life or death. Have you noticed that the cost of drugs is a little out of hand lately? The cost to the taxpayers of the FDA may not be overwhelming, but the cost to the manufacturers who have to deal with them is massive.
Seems to me there are millions of poor people who would be willing to live with less rigourous testing standards if they could just get their medicine at a lower price. You may be happy that someone is testing your products, but why should your standards be forced onto others who may not be able to afford drugs that require the kind of overhead associated with FDA testing. So you and the government dictate the market to be such that a certain class of people suffer because you want to control their lives and tell them what they can and can’t buy.
Thalidomide didn’t prove that the FDA was needed. It proved that better testing was needed.
So, the answer is – appropriate recourse for mistakes, not government dictating what can and cannot come to market.
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