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November 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM in reply to: When does it make financial sense to just dump your house??? #485182
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ParticipantBingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.
Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).
Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.
I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.
ParticipantBingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.
Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).
Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.
I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.
ParticipantBingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.
Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).
Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.
I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.
ParticipantBingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.
Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).
Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.
I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.
ParticipantBingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.
Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).
Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.
I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Dude. Rent.[/quote]or buy a time machine…
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Dude. Rent.[/quote]or buy a time machine…
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Dude. Rent.[/quote]or buy a time machine…
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Dude. Rent.[/quote]or buy a time machine…
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]Dude. Rent.[/quote]or buy a time machine…
November 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM in reply to: Slow decline or is a big chunk about to be ripped out? #478014ParticipantList prices seem to be continuing to ease down in Solana Beach, but can be hard to say due to it’s eclecticism. That said, even the the Santa streets seem to be down and that’s definitely a bit more homogenous.
The data going back to 2000 is certainly enlightening. Definitely supports the notion that the bubble has held in the prime areas even if they have taken something of a hit. My heart tells me we should get quite a lot closer to the front side of the run-up, but my head keeps bickering otherwise.
November 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM in reply to: Slow decline or is a big chunk about to be ripped out? #478184ParticipantList prices seem to be continuing to ease down in Solana Beach, but can be hard to say due to it’s eclecticism. That said, even the the Santa streets seem to be down and that’s definitely a bit more homogenous.
The data going back to 2000 is certainly enlightening. Definitely supports the notion that the bubble has held in the prime areas even if they have taken something of a hit. My heart tells me we should get quite a lot closer to the front side of the run-up, but my head keeps bickering otherwise.
November 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM in reply to: Slow decline or is a big chunk about to be ripped out? #478551ParticipantList prices seem to be continuing to ease down in Solana Beach, but can be hard to say due to it’s eclecticism. That said, even the the Santa streets seem to be down and that’s definitely a bit more homogenous.
The data going back to 2000 is certainly enlightening. Definitely supports the notion that the bubble has held in the prime areas even if they have taken something of a hit. My heart tells me we should get quite a lot closer to the front side of the run-up, but my head keeps bickering otherwise.
November 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM in reply to: Slow decline or is a big chunk about to be ripped out? #478631ParticipantList prices seem to be continuing to ease down in Solana Beach, but can be hard to say due to it’s eclecticism. That said, even the the Santa streets seem to be down and that’s definitely a bit more homogenous.
The data going back to 2000 is certainly enlightening. Definitely supports the notion that the bubble has held in the prime areas even if they have taken something of a hit. My heart tells me we should get quite a lot closer to the front side of the run-up, but my head keeps bickering otherwise.
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