[sd_matt]

[quote=ltokuda][quote=sd_matt]
Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.[/quote]

I believe the interstate highway system was built by the U.S. government. The idea is that interstate highways benefit the country as a whole and make it stronger. But if you left it up to each state or county to build their portion of the highway, no one would want to pay for it.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that congress will run a public option with supreme competence. But remember that the goal of the public option is to pay for your medical expenses when you are sick. The goal of a private insurance company is to not pay for your expenses. So the public option might be incompetent at trying to pay you. But private companies are very competent at not paying you. Who would you trust more?[/quote]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I agree with socializing health care when it comes to catastrophic illness.

The rest I am not too sure about.

[sd_matt]

[quote=ltokuda][quote=sd_matt]
Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.[/quote]

I believe the interstate highway system was built by the U.S. government. The idea is that interstate highways benefit the country as a whole and make it stronger. But if you left it up to each state or county to build their portion of the highway, no one would want to pay for it.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that congress will run a public option with supreme competence. But remember that the goal of the public option is to pay for your medical expenses when you are sick. The goal of a private insurance company is to not pay for your expenses. So the public option might be incompetent at trying to pay you. But private companies are very competent at not paying you. Who would you trust more?[/quote]

I still think it would be better to fire Congress and then start with subtle changes to the current system like allowing interstate competition and getting rid of the anti-trust exemption.

I agree with socializing health care when it comes to catastrophic illness.

The rest I am not too sure about.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

I’ve been thinking for the last few months that public awareness could be a major wild card.

So the second wave of loan resets and the supposed “shadow inventory” grows ever bigger. Will the media make this a big story or will it protect the banks?

If average Joe gets wind of a big shadow inventory then the market could become a standoff between buyer and bank.

Just my theory.

[sd_matt]

I’ve been thinking for the last few months that public awareness could be a major wild card.

So the second wave of loan resets and the supposed “shadow inventory” grows ever bigger. Will the media make this a big story or will it protect the banks?

If average Joe gets wind of a big shadow inventory then the market could become a standoff between buyer and bank.

Just my theory.

[sd_matt]

I’ve been thinking for the last few months that public awareness could be a major wild card.

So the second wave of loan resets and the supposed “shadow inventory” grows ever bigger. Will the media make this a big story or will it protect the banks?

If average Joe gets wind of a big shadow inventory then the market could become a standoff between buyer and bank.

Just my theory.

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