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ParticipantPatientlywaiting, JWM and lendingbubble first off I don’t think any of you guys are pricks. I think that your opinions are perfectly valid and I do not disagree at all. I absolutely 100% believe and really want the following… no bailout, no intervention, no changing of any limits, no stimulus garbage, no SPENDING of my tax money to subsidze this mess… I 100% want the market to operate in a free and unfettered way because that is how it will return to a healthy state with the least amount of cost to me.
I do realize that this will require pain. It could be alot of pain… the likes with which we have never ever seen. I could not agree more about wanting a much healthier and stronger country for my kids. I look at the now as they toddle around and sometimes cannot help but think how much worse off the world is that they are growing up in then when I was in diapers.
Settling the tab now is the best thing for them. I just have a fearful stance of that bad medicine. I don’t have the hooray bring it on mentality. I have prepped myself for it as much as I can and as well prepared as I think I am, the REALITY of the situation is that nobody here knows how bad it could be. I am never fearful of the known. I am always fearful of the unknown. So my whole point in this post is that there is this supreme confidence by people saying bring it on when they don’t, and cannot, even define what it is they are asking to bring on.
Seems kind of Bush like to me. (and I voted for him!)
Again, try to understand. I want the nation to be better, I want the fix, I want the bad medicine. Just because I fear it doesn’t mean I don’t want it to happen. Don’t mistake that cautious approach for endorsing the way things have been.
I will try once more, does that make sense?
SD Realtor
ParticipantPatientlywaiting, JWM and lendingbubble first off I don’t think any of you guys are pricks. I think that your opinions are perfectly valid and I do not disagree at all. I absolutely 100% believe and really want the following… no bailout, no intervention, no changing of any limits, no stimulus garbage, no SPENDING of my tax money to subsidze this mess… I 100% want the market to operate in a free and unfettered way because that is how it will return to a healthy state with the least amount of cost to me.
I do realize that this will require pain. It could be alot of pain… the likes with which we have never ever seen. I could not agree more about wanting a much healthier and stronger country for my kids. I look at the now as they toddle around and sometimes cannot help but think how much worse off the world is that they are growing up in then when I was in diapers.
Settling the tab now is the best thing for them. I just have a fearful stance of that bad medicine. I don’t have the hooray bring it on mentality. I have prepped myself for it as much as I can and as well prepared as I think I am, the REALITY of the situation is that nobody here knows how bad it could be. I am never fearful of the known. I am always fearful of the unknown. So my whole point in this post is that there is this supreme confidence by people saying bring it on when they don’t, and cannot, even define what it is they are asking to bring on.
Seems kind of Bush like to me. (and I voted for him!)
Again, try to understand. I want the nation to be better, I want the fix, I want the bad medicine. Just because I fear it doesn’t mean I don’t want it to happen. Don’t mistake that cautious approach for endorsing the way things have been.
I will try once more, does that make sense?
SD Realtor
ParticipantPatientlywaiting, JWM and lendingbubble first off I don’t think any of you guys are pricks. I think that your opinions are perfectly valid and I do not disagree at all. I absolutely 100% believe and really want the following… no bailout, no intervention, no changing of any limits, no stimulus garbage, no SPENDING of my tax money to subsidze this mess… I 100% want the market to operate in a free and unfettered way because that is how it will return to a healthy state with the least amount of cost to me.
I do realize that this will require pain. It could be alot of pain… the likes with which we have never ever seen. I could not agree more about wanting a much healthier and stronger country for my kids. I look at the now as they toddle around and sometimes cannot help but think how much worse off the world is that they are growing up in then when I was in diapers.
Settling the tab now is the best thing for them. I just have a fearful stance of that bad medicine. I don’t have the hooray bring it on mentality. I have prepped myself for it as much as I can and as well prepared as I think I am, the REALITY of the situation is that nobody here knows how bad it could be. I am never fearful of the known. I am always fearful of the unknown. So my whole point in this post is that there is this supreme confidence by people saying bring it on when they don’t, and cannot, even define what it is they are asking to bring on.
Seems kind of Bush like to me. (and I voted for him!)
Again, try to understand. I want the nation to be better, I want the fix, I want the bad medicine. Just because I fear it doesn’t mean I don’t want it to happen. Don’t mistake that cautious approach for endorsing the way things have been.
I will try once more, does that make sense?
SD Realtor
ParticipantBreeze no you are not supposed to feel sorry for me at all. My example is actually one that is supposed to display how fragile an engineering job can be. The example was not supposed to draw pity or anything of the sort.
Once more you my friend have missed the point entirely. I don’t want your pity for myself, for the american people, for anybody.
Many bulls get BLASTED for trying to portray a situation that is not based on fact, that is speculative in nature. In some respects sitting way up high on your pile of money looking down at the minyans and saying eh, let the bad times roll so they will all learn thier lessons, while you personally will not be affected, while NOBODY that you care about or have ever cared about will NEVER BE AFFECTED is a LIE. It is a fallacy that lies on the other end of the spectrum as those bulls who routinely get blasted.
No doubt there is tons of opportunity. You don’t need to tell me about it. I feel the same way about people who bitch about the price of housing Breeze. Hey people bitch about how you cannot afford a downpayment? Well work your ass off and save money. I do it. I work my ass off and have saved plenty of cash. I don’t personally wish for a monster recession to come and spank everyone back to a quaker like existence just so that I can afford a home. Talk about whining… how many posts do we see where people are whining about how they are priced out? Hey tough break for you pal, think about ways to make yourself more money to even the playing field rather then wishing that the playing field will come down to you.
Look I KNOW that there is no solution here. I don’t have a drop of sympathy for American citizens who overspend and such. I care about myself and family first, but also for my relatives and many friends I have. Many of them are hard working and they WILL be affected adversely. I know that there is no panacea that will not hurt and hurt badly and hurt those that deserve and do not deserve it.
Try this Breeze. List all of your relatives, list all of your friends and go down that list and see if none of them are affected. That they all are as well prepped as you and oh by the way when they do get whacked, make sure you tell them to pick it up and take a salt pill.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBreeze no you are not supposed to feel sorry for me at all. My example is actually one that is supposed to display how fragile an engineering job can be. The example was not supposed to draw pity or anything of the sort.
Once more you my friend have missed the point entirely. I don’t want your pity for myself, for the american people, for anybody.
Many bulls get BLASTED for trying to portray a situation that is not based on fact, that is speculative in nature. In some respects sitting way up high on your pile of money looking down at the minyans and saying eh, let the bad times roll so they will all learn thier lessons, while you personally will not be affected, while NOBODY that you care about or have ever cared about will NEVER BE AFFECTED is a LIE. It is a fallacy that lies on the other end of the spectrum as those bulls who routinely get blasted.
No doubt there is tons of opportunity. You don’t need to tell me about it. I feel the same way about people who bitch about the price of housing Breeze. Hey people bitch about how you cannot afford a downpayment? Well work your ass off and save money. I do it. I work my ass off and have saved plenty of cash. I don’t personally wish for a monster recession to come and spank everyone back to a quaker like existence just so that I can afford a home. Talk about whining… how many posts do we see where people are whining about how they are priced out? Hey tough break for you pal, think about ways to make yourself more money to even the playing field rather then wishing that the playing field will come down to you.
Look I KNOW that there is no solution here. I don’t have a drop of sympathy for American citizens who overspend and such. I care about myself and family first, but also for my relatives and many friends I have. Many of them are hard working and they WILL be affected adversely. I know that there is no panacea that will not hurt and hurt badly and hurt those that deserve and do not deserve it.
Try this Breeze. List all of your relatives, list all of your friends and go down that list and see if none of them are affected. That they all are as well prepped as you and oh by the way when they do get whacked, make sure you tell them to pick it up and take a salt pill.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBreeze no you are not supposed to feel sorry for me at all. My example is actually one that is supposed to display how fragile an engineering job can be. The example was not supposed to draw pity or anything of the sort.
Once more you my friend have missed the point entirely. I don’t want your pity for myself, for the american people, for anybody.
Many bulls get BLASTED for trying to portray a situation that is not based on fact, that is speculative in nature. In some respects sitting way up high on your pile of money looking down at the minyans and saying eh, let the bad times roll so they will all learn thier lessons, while you personally will not be affected, while NOBODY that you care about or have ever cared about will NEVER BE AFFECTED is a LIE. It is a fallacy that lies on the other end of the spectrum as those bulls who routinely get blasted.
No doubt there is tons of opportunity. You don’t need to tell me about it. I feel the same way about people who bitch about the price of housing Breeze. Hey people bitch about how you cannot afford a downpayment? Well work your ass off and save money. I do it. I work my ass off and have saved plenty of cash. I don’t personally wish for a monster recession to come and spank everyone back to a quaker like existence just so that I can afford a home. Talk about whining… how many posts do we see where people are whining about how they are priced out? Hey tough break for you pal, think about ways to make yourself more money to even the playing field rather then wishing that the playing field will come down to you.
Look I KNOW that there is no solution here. I don’t have a drop of sympathy for American citizens who overspend and such. I care about myself and family first, but also for my relatives and many friends I have. Many of them are hard working and they WILL be affected adversely. I know that there is no panacea that will not hurt and hurt badly and hurt those that deserve and do not deserve it.
Try this Breeze. List all of your relatives, list all of your friends and go down that list and see if none of them are affected. That they all are as well prepped as you and oh by the way when they do get whacked, make sure you tell them to pick it up and take a salt pill.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBreeze no you are not supposed to feel sorry for me at all. My example is actually one that is supposed to display how fragile an engineering job can be. The example was not supposed to draw pity or anything of the sort.
Once more you my friend have missed the point entirely. I don’t want your pity for myself, for the american people, for anybody.
Many bulls get BLASTED for trying to portray a situation that is not based on fact, that is speculative in nature. In some respects sitting way up high on your pile of money looking down at the minyans and saying eh, let the bad times roll so they will all learn thier lessons, while you personally will not be affected, while NOBODY that you care about or have ever cared about will NEVER BE AFFECTED is a LIE. It is a fallacy that lies on the other end of the spectrum as those bulls who routinely get blasted.
No doubt there is tons of opportunity. You don’t need to tell me about it. I feel the same way about people who bitch about the price of housing Breeze. Hey people bitch about how you cannot afford a downpayment? Well work your ass off and save money. I do it. I work my ass off and have saved plenty of cash. I don’t personally wish for a monster recession to come and spank everyone back to a quaker like existence just so that I can afford a home. Talk about whining… how many posts do we see where people are whining about how they are priced out? Hey tough break for you pal, think about ways to make yourself more money to even the playing field rather then wishing that the playing field will come down to you.
Look I KNOW that there is no solution here. I don’t have a drop of sympathy for American citizens who overspend and such. I care about myself and family first, but also for my relatives and many friends I have. Many of them are hard working and they WILL be affected adversely. I know that there is no panacea that will not hurt and hurt badly and hurt those that deserve and do not deserve it.
Try this Breeze. List all of your relatives, list all of your friends and go down that list and see if none of them are affected. That they all are as well prepped as you and oh by the way when they do get whacked, make sure you tell them to pick it up and take a salt pill.
SD Realtor
ParticipantBreeze no you are not supposed to feel sorry for me at all. My example is actually one that is supposed to display how fragile an engineering job can be. The example was not supposed to draw pity or anything of the sort.
Once more you my friend have missed the point entirely. I don’t want your pity for myself, for the american people, for anybody.
Many bulls get BLASTED for trying to portray a situation that is not based on fact, that is speculative in nature. In some respects sitting way up high on your pile of money looking down at the minyans and saying eh, let the bad times roll so they will all learn thier lessons, while you personally will not be affected, while NOBODY that you care about or have ever cared about will NEVER BE AFFECTED is a LIE. It is a fallacy that lies on the other end of the spectrum as those bulls who routinely get blasted.
No doubt there is tons of opportunity. You don’t need to tell me about it. I feel the same way about people who bitch about the price of housing Breeze. Hey people bitch about how you cannot afford a downpayment? Well work your ass off and save money. I do it. I work my ass off and have saved plenty of cash. I don’t personally wish for a monster recession to come and spank everyone back to a quaker like existence just so that I can afford a home. Talk about whining… how many posts do we see where people are whining about how they are priced out? Hey tough break for you pal, think about ways to make yourself more money to even the playing field rather then wishing that the playing field will come down to you.
Look I KNOW that there is no solution here. I don’t have a drop of sympathy for American citizens who overspend and such. I care about myself and family first, but also for my relatives and many friends I have. Many of them are hard working and they WILL be affected adversely. I know that there is no panacea that will not hurt and hurt badly and hurt those that deserve and do not deserve it.
Try this Breeze. List all of your relatives, list all of your friends and go down that list and see if none of them are affected. That they all are as well prepped as you and oh by the way when they do get whacked, make sure you tell them to pick it up and take a salt pill.
SD Realtor
ParticipantDW – Once again I think I need to clarify my stance. Personally I agree that recessions and possibly even depressions are good for an economy. Again my point is not to debate what is or is not good for the economy.
The thing that always seems peculiar to me is the dichotomy of points brought out here. On the one hand the prevailing opinions of this site are that this housing runup has been unprecented with any in our history. Point two, that at no other time in history have we had so much leverage, so much debt, so much corruption, and never ever have we had such a vast secondary market created by the runup in housing. Furthermore it is generally agreed that the these two factors have created a stunning amount of wealth and debt at the same time. So with all that said, shouldn’t we have the MOTHER of all recessions? Those who consistently post facts (and these are facts that I ASOLUTELY AGREE WITH and do not dispute), who do insist on, advocate, and even welcome a recession; shouldn’t that recession in which they are welcoming be a freeking tsunami?
Do you see my point now? I don’t fear a 2001 recession, I don’t fear an early 90’s recession (which by the way many on this site were probably in high school or less at that time) and I recalled the high interest rates of the 80’s all to well. Even the gas lines of the 70’s… Anyways what I fear is, what if all these bears are right on? What if it does come to roost? Would it be good in the long run? Yeah I guess… Would it be like comparing a tornado to a minor squall when comparing it to those other recessions? Absolutely.
So this is what I fear. This is what concerns me much more then anything else. That is why when someone posts be careful what you wish for, I think some of us understand the gravity of that statement much more then others.
Does that make sense?
ParticipantDW – Once again I think I need to clarify my stance. Personally I agree that recessions and possibly even depressions are good for an economy. Again my point is not to debate what is or is not good for the economy.
The thing that always seems peculiar to me is the dichotomy of points brought out here. On the one hand the prevailing opinions of this site are that this housing runup has been unprecented with any in our history. Point two, that at no other time in history have we had so much leverage, so much debt, so much corruption, and never ever have we had such a vast secondary market created by the runup in housing. Furthermore it is generally agreed that the these two factors have created a stunning amount of wealth and debt at the same time. So with all that said, shouldn’t we have the MOTHER of all recessions? Those who consistently post facts (and these are facts that I ASOLUTELY AGREE WITH and do not dispute), who do insist on, advocate, and even welcome a recession; shouldn’t that recession in which they are welcoming be a freeking tsunami?
Do you see my point now? I don’t fear a 2001 recession, I don’t fear an early 90’s recession (which by the way many on this site were probably in high school or less at that time) and I recalled the high interest rates of the 80’s all to well. Even the gas lines of the 70’s… Anyways what I fear is, what if all these bears are right on? What if it does come to roost? Would it be good in the long run? Yeah I guess… Would it be like comparing a tornado to a minor squall when comparing it to those other recessions? Absolutely.
So this is what I fear. This is what concerns me much more then anything else. That is why when someone posts be careful what you wish for, I think some of us understand the gravity of that statement much more then others.
Does that make sense?
ParticipantDW – Once again I think I need to clarify my stance. Personally I agree that recessions and possibly even depressions are good for an economy. Again my point is not to debate what is or is not good for the economy.
The thing that always seems peculiar to me is the dichotomy of points brought out here. On the one hand the prevailing opinions of this site are that this housing runup has been unprecented with any in our history. Point two, that at no other time in history have we had so much leverage, so much debt, so much corruption, and never ever have we had such a vast secondary market created by the runup in housing. Furthermore it is generally agreed that the these two factors have created a stunning amount of wealth and debt at the same time. So with all that said, shouldn’t we have the MOTHER of all recessions? Those who consistently post facts (and these are facts that I ASOLUTELY AGREE WITH and do not dispute), who do insist on, advocate, and even welcome a recession; shouldn’t that recession in which they are welcoming be a freeking tsunami?
Do you see my point now? I don’t fear a 2001 recession, I don’t fear an early 90’s recession (which by the way many on this site were probably in high school or less at that time) and I recalled the high interest rates of the 80’s all to well. Even the gas lines of the 70’s… Anyways what I fear is, what if all these bears are right on? What if it does come to roost? Would it be good in the long run? Yeah I guess… Would it be like comparing a tornado to a minor squall when comparing it to those other recessions? Absolutely.
So this is what I fear. This is what concerns me much more then anything else. That is why when someone posts be careful what you wish for, I think some of us understand the gravity of that statement much more then others.
Does that make sense?
ParticipantDW – Once again I think I need to clarify my stance. Personally I agree that recessions and possibly even depressions are good for an economy. Again my point is not to debate what is or is not good for the economy.
The thing that always seems peculiar to me is the dichotomy of points brought out here. On the one hand the prevailing opinions of this site are that this housing runup has been unprecented with any in our history. Point two, that at no other time in history have we had so much leverage, so much debt, so much corruption, and never ever have we had such a vast secondary market created by the runup in housing. Furthermore it is generally agreed that the these two factors have created a stunning amount of wealth and debt at the same time. So with all that said, shouldn’t we have the MOTHER of all recessions? Those who consistently post facts (and these are facts that I ASOLUTELY AGREE WITH and do not dispute), who do insist on, advocate, and even welcome a recession; shouldn’t that recession in which they are welcoming be a freeking tsunami?
Do you see my point now? I don’t fear a 2001 recession, I don’t fear an early 90’s recession (which by the way many on this site were probably in high school or less at that time) and I recalled the high interest rates of the 80’s all to well. Even the gas lines of the 70’s… Anyways what I fear is, what if all these bears are right on? What if it does come to roost? Would it be good in the long run? Yeah I guess… Would it be like comparing a tornado to a minor squall when comparing it to those other recessions? Absolutely.
So this is what I fear. This is what concerns me much more then anything else. That is why when someone posts be careful what you wish for, I think some of us understand the gravity of that statement much more then others.
Does that make sense?
ParticipantDW – Once again I think I need to clarify my stance. Personally I agree that recessions and possibly even depressions are good for an economy. Again my point is not to debate what is or is not good for the economy.
The thing that always seems peculiar to me is the dichotomy of points brought out here. On the one hand the prevailing opinions of this site are that this housing runup has been unprecented with any in our history. Point two, that at no other time in history have we had so much leverage, so much debt, so much corruption, and never ever have we had such a vast secondary market created by the runup in housing. Furthermore it is generally agreed that the these two factors have created a stunning amount of wealth and debt at the same time. So with all that said, shouldn’t we have the MOTHER of all recessions? Those who consistently post facts (and these are facts that I ASOLUTELY AGREE WITH and do not dispute), who do insist on, advocate, and even welcome a recession; shouldn’t that recession in which they are welcoming be a freeking tsunami?
Do you see my point now? I don’t fear a 2001 recession, I don’t fear an early 90’s recession (which by the way many on this site were probably in high school or less at that time) and I recalled the high interest rates of the 80’s all to well. Even the gas lines of the 70’s… Anyways what I fear is, what if all these bears are right on? What if it does come to roost? Would it be good in the long run? Yeah I guess… Would it be like comparing a tornado to a minor squall when comparing it to those other recessions? Absolutely.
So this is what I fear. This is what concerns me much more then anything else. That is why when someone posts be careful what you wish for, I think some of us understand the gravity of that statement much more then others.
Does that make sense?
ParticipantNew-Renter that is a well thought out snapshot of CV. It is hanging in there and it will be interesting to see how it looks in 2010. If there is an employment disruption it could very well chunk down REALLY fast. Without that it will be slow and measured.
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