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http://www.samharris.org/free-will

gonna read that before winter break so i can come better armed to the next discussion…

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[quote=Blogstar]I have always like a kind of healthy hippie kitchen arrangement with lots of seeds ,grains beans, and other food stuffs in little jars all over the place and fruit ripening here and there.
Maybe some live herbs to pinch off, a braid of garlic nailed to the wall. Pot racks with stained pots hanging all over the place. Maybe a pan for some crepes still on the stove. Not too tidy at all but not dirty. Well a little dust here and there some smudges on the fridge is O.K. It would be a shame to sanitize a place like this. I bet the would have a vegetable garden outside.[/quote]

thats kind of what we have…

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[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic] Otherwise, vote for the peace and freedom partay.[/quote]

Re: Peace – I guess that would be the Republicans . . Here’s some interesting data (haven’t looked at it very closely, but interesting):

.https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061003172851AAZgpzV

Freedom – do you mean freedom from the government or other citizens?[/quote]

i refuse to conceded that we have more than one political party.

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[quote=Blogstar]Choosing ones party seems to be something like choosing a church they both act like churches and the members act like the flock to the point you can guarantee their outlooks on almost anything. Each side has it’s PC and it goes to bizarre extremes of replication like reciting a rosary.

Most people are desperate to be affiliated with a clan.[/quote]

I’m a green jew. If they change the name to republocrats and give me a pony I’ll convert. Otherwise, vote for the peace and freedom partay.

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Well I was under the impression I had free will but my kids were so confident I dont that now I’m uncertainn.

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[quote=Blogstar]Yes, but exercising it very much is not really going to work in lots of areas of life.

For instance, I have 20 Acres with room to put up about a hundred free will advocate families in trailers , if we did that it would be Ruby Ridge all over again.

Almost anywhere you might get boldly free will harm will come to you because of it. March to a different drum is fine up to a point but most people don’t really want to as far as I can tell.[/quote]

see the lego movie. sing EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

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[quote=CA renter]Now I’m laughing. :)[/quote]

toilet training and poo in general has provided some if the most memorable and funny moments c of my life.

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[quote=CA renter]The worst blowouts are when you’re traveling and the kid explodes all over the entire car seat, all the way up into the hair. And you can’t legally take them out of the seat because they have to be strapped in while driving…and you can’t clean it up right away because where the hell do you go to clean THAT up (the seat, the kid…all of that mess!) when you’re on the road?

I was not laughing.[/quote]

Hilarious!!!

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It’s the contrast between the disgust of the parent and the oblivious Ness of the child during a blowout that underlies the humor for me

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[quote=Blogstar]In B’s world kids are in the boarding school as soon as the wet nurse in the guest house has them weaned. The blowouts come when they are toddlers so by that time it’s someone else’s problem.[/quote]

for some reason a few classic blowouts still make me laugh.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]5 hours is a whole afternoon. You could have gone to the beach.[/quote]

true. but it’s only once in a while…

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fact: little kids actually take giant dumps IN THEIR PANTS…..

unbelievably messy.

ok, sit down now…have you ever heard of a “blowout”?

thats when the poop actually explodes out of the diaper upt he kids back or out the legs!

there is literally poo everywhere! it can fly to light switches, ceiling fans. it is amazing.

the blowout. they are like filth machines!

plus; the winter lice infestation….

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[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi]

Think more objectively. What if you walk into a messy house that nobody had cleaned up in while. What would you think of the family? Would you let your kids go over to a house where packing boxes and junk are laying all over?

Of course there are degrees of messiness. But messes don’t improve, they get worse over time.

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While I personally do not like dirt, clutter, and chaos; I would allow our kids to play at another family’s home if we felt that the family was of good character and our children would be safe. I knew a few families growing up that had tons of kids (the stereotypical Catholic Italians, for instance), and often had a messy house as a result, but the families were so warm and wonderful that I would greatly regret not being able to befriend/visit with these people because my (VERY tidy) mother thought their houses were too messy. They were some of the greatest, most generous and caring people I’ve ever known in my life (my exceedingly tidy Germanic mother, not so much).

And messes do not necessarily get worse over time unless you’re talking about compulsive hoarding where things tend to build up over time. Most “messy” people do indeed clean; they just tend to have a longer time horizon than people like you and me.[/quote]

on the other ahnd, its kind of cool when we would go from messy abode to very clean house in 4 or 5 hours o “family clean up day”. it’s much more dramatic than minimal tidyings and has that sort of WOW factor that youre just not going to get if things are generally in order. also it’s very good aerobic exercise to quickly pick up a lot of things strewn around.

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i think my redfin guy had regular clients too. maybe not. im not sure the other side knew he was redfin.

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I wouldn’t ask to check with my wife if I could go on a ski trip because I know I can’t go…

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