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June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418391June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418621
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ParticipantThe plot thickens. For those interested in the Bonds story, check this out:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html
June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418885ParticipantThe plot thickens. For those interested in the Bonds story, check this out:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html
June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418952ParticipantThe plot thickens. For those interested in the Bonds story, check this out:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html
June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #419113ParticipantThe plot thickens. For those interested in the Bonds story, check this out:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html
Participant“Dirty little secret here…I used to work a multi-line Japanese dealership when I was younger. I witnessed every kind of crazy failure you can think of, we never wanted for work in the service department, these are machines.”
I also saw examples of wonderful engineering daily. Just as I see in my Dodge and Buick everyday, with both well over 100k miles. In my mind all cars built over the past decade are so reliable and well engineered as to render any arguement about quality “nit-picking”.
Sometimes cars or trucks develop big problems that really piss people off. Like the tranny troubles so many experienced with Tundras. Machines, this will happen. Even a well designed models can sometimes have a big failure. If they built all cars like the space shuttle we could eliminate those few instances but, a Corolla would then cost a million dollars.
Participant“Dirty little secret here…I used to work a multi-line Japanese dealership when I was younger. I witnessed every kind of crazy failure you can think of, we never wanted for work in the service department, these are machines.”
I also saw examples of wonderful engineering daily. Just as I see in my Dodge and Buick everyday, with both well over 100k miles. In my mind all cars built over the past decade are so reliable and well engineered as to render any arguement about quality “nit-picking”.
Sometimes cars or trucks develop big problems that really piss people off. Like the tranny troubles so many experienced with Tundras. Machines, this will happen. Even a well designed models can sometimes have a big failure. If they built all cars like the space shuttle we could eliminate those few instances but, a Corolla would then cost a million dollars.
Participant“Dirty little secret here…I used to work a multi-line Japanese dealership when I was younger. I witnessed every kind of crazy failure you can think of, we never wanted for work in the service department, these are machines.”
I also saw examples of wonderful engineering daily. Just as I see in my Dodge and Buick everyday, with both well over 100k miles. In my mind all cars built over the past decade are so reliable and well engineered as to render any arguement about quality “nit-picking”.
Sometimes cars or trucks develop big problems that really piss people off. Like the tranny troubles so many experienced with Tundras. Machines, this will happen. Even a well designed models can sometimes have a big failure. If they built all cars like the space shuttle we could eliminate those few instances but, a Corolla would then cost a million dollars.
Participant“Dirty little secret here…I used to work a multi-line Japanese dealership when I was younger. I witnessed every kind of crazy failure you can think of, we never wanted for work in the service department, these are machines.”
I also saw examples of wonderful engineering daily. Just as I see in my Dodge and Buick everyday, with both well over 100k miles. In my mind all cars built over the past decade are so reliable and well engineered as to render any arguement about quality “nit-picking”.
Sometimes cars or trucks develop big problems that really piss people off. Like the tranny troubles so many experienced with Tundras. Machines, this will happen. Even a well designed models can sometimes have a big failure. If they built all cars like the space shuttle we could eliminate those few instances but, a Corolla would then cost a million dollars.
Participant“Dirty little secret here…I used to work a multi-line Japanese dealership when I was younger. I witnessed every kind of crazy failure you can think of, we never wanted for work in the service department, these are machines.”
I also saw examples of wonderful engineering daily. Just as I see in my Dodge and Buick everyday, with both well over 100k miles. In my mind all cars built over the past decade are so reliable and well engineered as to render any arguement about quality “nit-picking”.
Sometimes cars or trucks develop big problems that really piss people off. Like the tranny troubles so many experienced with Tundras. Machines, this will happen. Even a well designed models can sometimes have a big failure. If they built all cars like the space shuttle we could eliminate those few instances but, a Corolla would then cost a million dollars.
ParticipantAllen it is you that is Cherry picking. You use Unsubstantiable variables to make your point. I am using cold hard realities.
Who knows to what extent GMs management caused problems? It’s hard to substantiate that.
After all, they were heroes just a few years ago with awesome SUVs they were making tons of profit on and people bought like crazy. Look at the world beating Corvette? How about the new Camero. I argue that they have made the right choices given the FACT that they are not allowed to compete on an even playing field and thus have been FORCED to put their efforts into more expensive models with better margins.
You try and make a low profit margin small car with a $4k disadvantage before you even weld one panel.
Your position is debatable.
What we need not debate is that our Gov. helps foreign countries beat us. Why? Who knows, maybe it’s just trade charity to win/keep allies?
The $4k per car trade policy gift/advantage that Japan and Korea have enjoyed over us is reason enough for our industry’s problems. There it is, it’s real and it a deal breaking, unsustainable reality for our auto makers.
Also, lack of support by US consumers is an obvious, real nail in the coffin. Millions of Americans sending the dollars they earn here, over to Japan, Korea etc. can in no one’s mind not have wreaked substantial damage.
Anything else is just “might have contributed” cherry picking conversation.
ParticipantAllen it is you that is Cherry picking. You use Unsubstantiable variables to make your point. I am using cold hard realities.
Who knows to what extent GMs management caused problems? It’s hard to substantiate that.
After all, they were heroes just a few years ago with awesome SUVs they were making tons of profit on and people bought like crazy. Look at the world beating Corvette? How about the new Camero. I argue that they have made the right choices given the FACT that they are not allowed to compete on an even playing field and thus have been FORCED to put their efforts into more expensive models with better margins.
You try and make a low profit margin small car with a $4k disadvantage before you even weld one panel.
Your position is debatable.
What we need not debate is that our Gov. helps foreign countries beat us. Why? Who knows, maybe it’s just trade charity to win/keep allies?
The $4k per car trade policy gift/advantage that Japan and Korea have enjoyed over us is reason enough for our industry’s problems. There it is, it’s real and it a deal breaking, unsustainable reality for our auto makers.
Also, lack of support by US consumers is an obvious, real nail in the coffin. Millions of Americans sending the dollars they earn here, over to Japan, Korea etc. can in no one’s mind not have wreaked substantial damage.
Anything else is just “might have contributed” cherry picking conversation.
ParticipantAllen it is you that is Cherry picking. You use Unsubstantiable variables to make your point. I am using cold hard realities.
Who knows to what extent GMs management caused problems? It’s hard to substantiate that.
After all, they were heroes just a few years ago with awesome SUVs they were making tons of profit on and people bought like crazy. Look at the world beating Corvette? How about the new Camero. I argue that they have made the right choices given the FACT that they are not allowed to compete on an even playing field and thus have been FORCED to put their efforts into more expensive models with better margins.
You try and make a low profit margin small car with a $4k disadvantage before you even weld one panel.
Your position is debatable.
What we need not debate is that our Gov. helps foreign countries beat us. Why? Who knows, maybe it’s just trade charity to win/keep allies?
The $4k per car trade policy gift/advantage that Japan and Korea have enjoyed over us is reason enough for our industry’s problems. There it is, it’s real and it a deal breaking, unsustainable reality for our auto makers.
Also, lack of support by US consumers is an obvious, real nail in the coffin. Millions of Americans sending the dollars they earn here, over to Japan, Korea etc. can in no one’s mind not have wreaked substantial damage.
Anything else is just “might have contributed” cherry picking conversation.
ParticipantAllen it is you that is Cherry picking. You use Unsubstantiable variables to make your point. I am using cold hard realities.
Who knows to what extent GMs management caused problems? It’s hard to substantiate that.
After all, they were heroes just a few years ago with awesome SUVs they were making tons of profit on and people bought like crazy. Look at the world beating Corvette? How about the new Camero. I argue that they have made the right choices given the FACT that they are not allowed to compete on an even playing field and thus have been FORCED to put their efforts into more expensive models with better margins.
You try and make a low profit margin small car with a $4k disadvantage before you even weld one panel.
Your position is debatable.
What we need not debate is that our Gov. helps foreign countries beat us. Why? Who knows, maybe it’s just trade charity to win/keep allies?
The $4k per car trade policy gift/advantage that Japan and Korea have enjoyed over us is reason enough for our industry’s problems. There it is, it’s real and it a deal breaking, unsustainable reality for our auto makers.
Also, lack of support by US consumers is an obvious, real nail in the coffin. Millions of Americans sending the dollars they earn here, over to Japan, Korea etc. can in no one’s mind not have wreaked substantial damage.
Anything else is just “might have contributed” cherry picking conversation.
ParticipantAllen it is you that is Cherry picking. You use Unsubstantiable variables to make your point. I am using cold hard realities.
Who knows to what extent GMs management caused problems? It’s hard to substantiate that.
After all, they were heroes just a few years ago with awesome SUVs they were making tons of profit on and people bought like crazy. Look at the world beating Corvette? How about the new Camero. I argue that they have made the right choices given the FACT that they are not allowed to compete on an even playing field and thus have been FORCED to put their efforts into more expensive models with better margins.
You try and make a low profit margin small car with a $4k disadvantage before you even weld one panel.
Your position is debatable.
What we need not debate is that our Gov. helps foreign countries beat us. Why? Who knows, maybe it’s just trade charity to win/keep allies?
The $4k per car trade policy gift/advantage that Japan and Korea have enjoyed over us is reason enough for our industry’s problems. There it is, it’s real and it a deal breaking, unsustainable reality for our auto makers.
Also, lack of support by US consumers is an obvious, real nail in the coffin. Millions of Americans sending the dollars they earn here, over to Japan, Korea etc. can in no one’s mind not have wreaked substantial damage.
Anything else is just “might have contributed” cherry picking conversation.
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