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[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]

This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.

How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?

We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?

Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.

There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.

Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.

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[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]

This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.

How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?

We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?

Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.

There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.

Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.

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[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]

This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.

How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?

We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?

Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.

There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.

Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.

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[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]

This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.

How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?

We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?

Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.

There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.

Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.

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[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]

This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.

How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?

We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?

Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.

There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.

Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.

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What is there to discuss right now? We have two camps:

1) People who believe the banks will gain control of the snowball and manage to bleed off the shadow inventory AND the next few waves of foreclosures. They think housing is near bottom and somehow banks can slowly sell REOs for the next ten years and not have an appreciable fall in prices.

2) People who believe the dam has to eventually break and when it does we will see some once in a lifetime opportunities. They think housing is balancing on the precipice of another really big fall, and housing, especially in San Diego is still way overpriced.

We’ve debated this adnaseum, all that is left now is to wait to see who is correct, maybe on 8-31-09?

I’m amazed at those who don’t extrapolate the condition of our economy, debt levels, jobs and loan losses. So many on this board chose to exclude the facts of what is actually happening around them and instead choose “hope”, I guess. They believe the Tooth Fairy brings the jobs that pay mortgages and rents. Maybe that’s why they don’t try and forecast job growth?

Right now the only way to make wise decisions in RE investment is by putting careful thought into the process. Where will jobs come from? How will the enormous burden of debt consumers are drowning in, be erased? Are we taking the very same steps Japan took and therefore heading for 20 years of no real appreciation in RE?

If I can’t identify an engine for job growth then what good are my investment rental models? If 15% unemployment is the “new” normal in CA, how long will I have to wait to have a clear picture of the “new” norm in rental rates?

In the meantime why not talk about something. I’ve been lurking and reading this site for 3 years. I found the old conversations boring. The endless debates of whether we were in a bubble or not seemed ridiculous to me. Some of the recent topics have gotten my attention. I’m looking forward; I enjoy getting insight to where this country is headed, and so far it does not look good. I use this in my RE plans and so far it’s been a good barometer and I’m solidly in camp #2.

We’ve talked about energy, car manufacturers, and movie stars, Temecula cheerleading and other, sometimes fun, stuff. But I digress, to answer the OP’s Q, yes Pigg seemed to be dying so some have chosen to bring up other topics until this fall when all eyes will be on RE again.

So enough with the haters who do not contribute but are far too eager to jump into any thread and post clever (they think) non-contributing drive-bys. Hey, at least some of us are trying. If you don’t like the topics and think they are “SAD” then create some topics “you” think are good.

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What is there to discuss right now? We have two camps:

1) People who believe the banks will gain control of the snowball and manage to bleed off the shadow inventory AND the next few waves of foreclosures. They think housing is near bottom and somehow banks can slowly sell REOs for the next ten years and not have an appreciable fall in prices.

2) People who believe the dam has to eventually break and when it does we will see some once in a lifetime opportunities. They think housing is balancing on the precipice of another really big fall, and housing, especially in San Diego is still way overpriced.

We’ve debated this adnaseum, all that is left now is to wait to see who is correct, maybe on 8-31-09?

I’m amazed at those who don’t extrapolate the condition of our economy, debt levels, jobs and loan losses. So many on this board chose to exclude the facts of what is actually happening around them and instead choose “hope”, I guess. They believe the Tooth Fairy brings the jobs that pay mortgages and rents. Maybe that’s why they don’t try and forecast job growth?

Right now the only way to make wise decisions in RE investment is by putting careful thought into the process. Where will jobs come from? How will the enormous burden of debt consumers are drowning in, be erased? Are we taking the very same steps Japan took and therefore heading for 20 years of no real appreciation in RE?

If I can’t identify an engine for job growth then what good are my investment rental models? If 15% unemployment is the “new” normal in CA, how long will I have to wait to have a clear picture of the “new” norm in rental rates?

In the meantime why not talk about something. I’ve been lurking and reading this site for 3 years. I found the old conversations boring. The endless debates of whether we were in a bubble or not seemed ridiculous to me. Some of the recent topics have gotten my attention. I’m looking forward; I enjoy getting insight to where this country is headed, and so far it does not look good. I use this in my RE plans and so far it’s been a good barometer and I’m solidly in camp #2.

We’ve talked about energy, car manufacturers, and movie stars, Temecula cheerleading and other, sometimes fun, stuff. But I digress, to answer the OP’s Q, yes Pigg seemed to be dying so some have chosen to bring up other topics until this fall when all eyes will be on RE again.

So enough with the haters who do not contribute but are far too eager to jump into any thread and post clever (they think) non-contributing drive-bys. Hey, at least some of us are trying. If you don’t like the topics and think they are “SAD” then create some topics “you” think are good.

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What is there to discuss right now? We have two camps:

1) People who believe the banks will gain control of the snowball and manage to bleed off the shadow inventory AND the next few waves of foreclosures. They think housing is near bottom and somehow banks can slowly sell REOs for the next ten years and not have an appreciable fall in prices.

2) People who believe the dam has to eventually break and when it does we will see some once in a lifetime opportunities. They think housing is balancing on the precipice of another really big fall, and housing, especially in San Diego is still way overpriced.

We’ve debated this adnaseum, all that is left now is to wait to see who is correct, maybe on 8-31-09?

I’m amazed at those who don’t extrapolate the condition of our economy, debt levels, jobs and loan losses. So many on this board chose to exclude the facts of what is actually happening around them and instead choose “hope”, I guess. They believe the Tooth Fairy brings the jobs that pay mortgages and rents. Maybe that’s why they don’t try and forecast job growth?

Right now the only way to make wise decisions in RE investment is by putting careful thought into the process. Where will jobs come from? How will the enormous burden of debt consumers are drowning in, be erased? Are we taking the very same steps Japan took and therefore heading for 20 years of no real appreciation in RE?

If I can’t identify an engine for job growth then what good are my investment rental models? If 15% unemployment is the “new” normal in CA, how long will I have to wait to have a clear picture of the “new” norm in rental rates?

In the meantime why not talk about something. I’ve been lurking and reading this site for 3 years. I found the old conversations boring. The endless debates of whether we were in a bubble or not seemed ridiculous to me. Some of the recent topics have gotten my attention. I’m looking forward; I enjoy getting insight to where this country is headed, and so far it does not look good. I use this in my RE plans and so far it’s been a good barometer and I’m solidly in camp #2.

We’ve talked about energy, car manufacturers, and movie stars, Temecula cheerleading and other, sometimes fun, stuff. But I digress, to answer the OP’s Q, yes Pigg seemed to be dying so some have chosen to bring up other topics until this fall when all eyes will be on RE again.

So enough with the haters who do not contribute but are far too eager to jump into any thread and post clever (they think) non-contributing drive-bys. Hey, at least some of us are trying. If you don’t like the topics and think they are “SAD” then create some topics “you” think are good.

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What is there to discuss right now? We have two camps:

1) People who believe the banks will gain control of the snowball and manage to bleed off the shadow inventory AND the next few waves of foreclosures. They think housing is near bottom and somehow banks can slowly sell REOs for the next ten years and not have an appreciable fall in prices.

2) People who believe the dam has to eventually break and when it does we will see some once in a lifetime opportunities. They think housing is balancing on the precipice of another really big fall, and housing, especially in San Diego is still way overpriced.

We’ve debated this adnaseum, all that is left now is to wait to see who is correct, maybe on 8-31-09?

I’m amazed at those who don’t extrapolate the condition of our economy, debt levels, jobs and loan losses. So many on this board chose to exclude the facts of what is actually happening around them and instead choose “hope”, I guess. They believe the Tooth Fairy brings the jobs that pay mortgages and rents. Maybe that’s why they don’t try and forecast job growth?

Right now the only way to make wise decisions in RE investment is by putting careful thought into the process. Where will jobs come from? How will the enormous burden of debt consumers are drowning in, be erased? Are we taking the very same steps Japan took and therefore heading for 20 years of no real appreciation in RE?

If I can’t identify an engine for job growth then what good are my investment rental models? If 15% unemployment is the “new” normal in CA, how long will I have to wait to have a clear picture of the “new” norm in rental rates?

In the meantime why not talk about something. I’ve been lurking and reading this site for 3 years. I found the old conversations boring. The endless debates of whether we were in a bubble or not seemed ridiculous to me. Some of the recent topics have gotten my attention. I’m looking forward; I enjoy getting insight to where this country is headed, and so far it does not look good. I use this in my RE plans and so far it’s been a good barometer and I’m solidly in camp #2.

We’ve talked about energy, car manufacturers, and movie stars, Temecula cheerleading and other, sometimes fun, stuff. But I digress, to answer the OP’s Q, yes Pigg seemed to be dying so some have chosen to bring up other topics until this fall when all eyes will be on RE again.

So enough with the haters who do not contribute but are far too eager to jump into any thread and post clever (they think) non-contributing drive-bys. Hey, at least some of us are trying. If you don’t like the topics and think they are “SAD” then create some topics “you” think are good.

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What is there to discuss right now? We have two camps:

1) People who believe the banks will gain control of the snowball and manage to bleed off the shadow inventory AND the next few waves of foreclosures. They think housing is near bottom and somehow banks can slowly sell REOs for the next ten years and not have an appreciable fall in prices.

2) People who believe the dam has to eventually break and when it does we will see some once in a lifetime opportunities. They think housing is balancing on the precipice of another really big fall, and housing, especially in San Diego is still way overpriced.

We’ve debated this adnaseum, all that is left now is to wait to see who is correct, maybe on 8-31-09?

I’m amazed at those who don’t extrapolate the condition of our economy, debt levels, jobs and loan losses. So many on this board chose to exclude the facts of what is actually happening around them and instead choose “hope”, I guess. They believe the Tooth Fairy brings the jobs that pay mortgages and rents. Maybe that’s why they don’t try and forecast job growth?

Right now the only way to make wise decisions in RE investment is by putting careful thought into the process. Where will jobs come from? How will the enormous burden of debt consumers are drowning in, be erased? Are we taking the very same steps Japan took and therefore heading for 20 years of no real appreciation in RE?

If I can’t identify an engine for job growth then what good are my investment rental models? If 15% unemployment is the “new” normal in CA, how long will I have to wait to have a clear picture of the “new” norm in rental rates?

In the meantime why not talk about something. I’ve been lurking and reading this site for 3 years. I found the old conversations boring. The endless debates of whether we were in a bubble or not seemed ridiculous to me. Some of the recent topics have gotten my attention. I’m looking forward; I enjoy getting insight to where this country is headed, and so far it does not look good. I use this in my RE plans and so far it’s been a good barometer and I’m solidly in camp #2.

We’ve talked about energy, car manufacturers, and movie stars, Temecula cheerleading and other, sometimes fun, stuff. But I digress, to answer the OP’s Q, yes Pigg seemed to be dying so some have chosen to bring up other topics until this fall when all eyes will be on RE again.

So enough with the haters who do not contribute but are far too eager to jump into any thread and post clever (they think) non-contributing drive-bys. Hey, at least some of us are trying. If you don’t like the topics and think they are “SAD” then create some topics “you” think are good.

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Here’s a little something for those who contributed to this thread by trying to convince people its correct, wise or sensible to send your money to another country.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to feared.” Cicero

If the foo shits?

[Rt.66]

Here’s a little something for those who contributed to this thread by trying to convince people its correct, wise or sensible to send your money to another country.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to feared.” Cicero

If the foo shits?

[Rt.66]

Here’s a little something for those who contributed to this thread by trying to convince people its correct, wise or sensible to send your money to another country.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to feared.” Cicero

If the foo shits?

[Rt.66]

Here’s a little something for those who contributed to this thread by trying to convince people its correct, wise or sensible to send your money to another country.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to feared.” Cicero

If the foo shits?

[Rt.66]

Here’s a little something for those who contributed to this thread by trying to convince people its correct, wise or sensible to send your money to another country.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to feared.” Cicero

If the foo shits?

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