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ParticipantAre you referring to your statement:
“In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it.”
The same statement I engaged at length, including this question which you failed to “engage”:
“What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?”
So you are gonna stand by that statement? To me it seems the only part of your brain involved in that statement is your self-serving side or is it the side that does not extrapolate to consequences?
I think I’ve thought it through to the end and you’ve only thought it through to the point that your immediate benefit is served.
If you have no answer to my responses don’t act like I’m not engaging you, just admit you don’t have a response. I “engaged” your doozy of a declaration and you choose to respond by saying I don’t engage? Doesn’t make sense. Nice attempt at diversion though.
ParticipantAre you referring to your statement:
“In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it.”
The same statement I engaged at length, including this question which you failed to “engage”:
“What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?”
So you are gonna stand by that statement? To me it seems the only part of your brain involved in that statement is your self-serving side or is it the side that does not extrapolate to consequences?
I think I’ve thought it through to the end and you’ve only thought it through to the point that your immediate benefit is served.
If you have no answer to my responses don’t act like I’m not engaging you, just admit you don’t have a response. I “engaged” your doozy of a declaration and you choose to respond by saying I don’t engage? Doesn’t make sense. Nice attempt at diversion though.
ParticipantAre you referring to your statement:
“In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it.”
The same statement I engaged at length, including this question which you failed to “engage”:
“What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?”
So you are gonna stand by that statement? To me it seems the only part of your brain involved in that statement is your self-serving side or is it the side that does not extrapolate to consequences?
I think I’ve thought it through to the end and you’ve only thought it through to the point that your immediate benefit is served.
If you have no answer to my responses don’t act like I’m not engaging you, just admit you don’t have a response. I “engaged” your doozy of a declaration and you choose to respond by saying I don’t engage? Doesn’t make sense. Nice attempt at diversion though.
ParticipantAre you referring to your statement:
“In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it.”
The same statement I engaged at length, including this question which you failed to “engage”:
“What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?”
So you are gonna stand by that statement? To me it seems the only part of your brain involved in that statement is your self-serving side or is it the side that does not extrapolate to consequences?
I think I’ve thought it through to the end and you’ve only thought it through to the point that your immediate benefit is served.
If you have no answer to my responses don’t act like I’m not engaging you, just admit you don’t have a response. I “engaged” your doozy of a declaration and you choose to respond by saying I don’t engage? Doesn’t make sense. Nice attempt at diversion though.
ParticipantThis is our ball field; the visiting teams are cheating to win. What do we do about it? We support the cheaters and defend them to our last job!
Is it simply greed? Do Americans turn a blind eye on the cheating because they think they can obtain a tiny personal advantage for themselves?
Do they secretly like proven, serial cheaters?
Just what does a trading partner have to do to us to get us pissed? Why is “win at all costs” considered “fair trade” when Americans view Toyota, but simply talking of the US removing the cheating, suddenly “isolationism”?
Actual fair trade would kick Toyota in the nuts and give American cars a fighting chance on their own soil. A decision to buy a Toyota or Honda is like declaring “I’m ok with them stealing our jobs and running our deficits so high our children’s children will get nose bleeds”.
————–“Currency manipulation is a policy used by the governments and central banks of some of America’s largest trading partners to artificially set the value of their currency to gain an unfair competitive advantage for their exports.
The IMF defines currency manipulation as “protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market.” Since 1998, Japan has spent $505 billion intervening in currency markets more than 160 times. Japanese government officials also continue to send strong messages to the markets to keep the yen artificially weak. This astonishing record, by any standard, is the classic case of disruptive, trade-distorting currency manipulation.
Countries manipulate their currencies to protect jobs and promote exports. This comes at the expense of taking jobs and siphoning economic growth from their trading partners.”
“Many people believe that Japanese cars and trucks sold in the United States are almost exclusively built in the United States. However, Japan is still exporting nearly 2 million cars and trucks annually into the U.S. – the same level as twenty years ago. In contrast, last year just 15,565 cars were imported into Japan from the U.S”
“Japan’s artificially weak currency policy provides an average subsidy of thousands of dollars for each and every car it exports to the United States. for example at 116 yen to the dollar, a luxury sedan imported into the U.S. can receive an $8,000 subsidy from the government of Japan. Japanese cars produced at plants here in the U.S. are also partially subsidized because of their high imported parts content.”
http://www.autotradecouncil.org/Images/ATPC_curr_92606.pdf
————–Of course those numbers change as the value of the dollar changes and some sources put the amounts lower, but they all show drastic unfair advantages to Japanese manufacturers obtained by cheating.
This is a war over jobs and national wealth. They are cheating us out of ours. This is fact; nobody in the know denies it. Yet like some nation of masochists, we not only allow it to continue year after year, we defend the cheater and beg for more.
ParticipantThis is our ball field; the visiting teams are cheating to win. What do we do about it? We support the cheaters and defend them to our last job!
Is it simply greed? Do Americans turn a blind eye on the cheating because they think they can obtain a tiny personal advantage for themselves?
Do they secretly like proven, serial cheaters?
Just what does a trading partner have to do to us to get us pissed? Why is “win at all costs” considered “fair trade” when Americans view Toyota, but simply talking of the US removing the cheating, suddenly “isolationism”?
Actual fair trade would kick Toyota in the nuts and give American cars a fighting chance on their own soil. A decision to buy a Toyota or Honda is like declaring “I’m ok with them stealing our jobs and running our deficits so high our children’s children will get nose bleeds”.
————–“Currency manipulation is a policy used by the governments and central banks of some of America’s largest trading partners to artificially set the value of their currency to gain an unfair competitive advantage for their exports.
The IMF defines currency manipulation as “protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market.” Since 1998, Japan has spent $505 billion intervening in currency markets more than 160 times. Japanese government officials also continue to send strong messages to the markets to keep the yen artificially weak. This astonishing record, by any standard, is the classic case of disruptive, trade-distorting currency manipulation.
Countries manipulate their currencies to protect jobs and promote exports. This comes at the expense of taking jobs and siphoning economic growth from their trading partners.”
“Many people believe that Japanese cars and trucks sold in the United States are almost exclusively built in the United States. However, Japan is still exporting nearly 2 million cars and trucks annually into the U.S. – the same level as twenty years ago. In contrast, last year just 15,565 cars were imported into Japan from the U.S”
“Japan’s artificially weak currency policy provides an average subsidy of thousands of dollars for each and every car it exports to the United States. for example at 116 yen to the dollar, a luxury sedan imported into the U.S. can receive an $8,000 subsidy from the government of Japan. Japanese cars produced at plants here in the U.S. are also partially subsidized because of their high imported parts content.”
http://www.autotradecouncil.org/Images/ATPC_curr_92606.pdf
————–Of course those numbers change as the value of the dollar changes and some sources put the amounts lower, but they all show drastic unfair advantages to Japanese manufacturers obtained by cheating.
This is a war over jobs and national wealth. They are cheating us out of ours. This is fact; nobody in the know denies it. Yet like some nation of masochists, we not only allow it to continue year after year, we defend the cheater and beg for more.
ParticipantThis is our ball field; the visiting teams are cheating to win. What do we do about it? We support the cheaters and defend them to our last job!
Is it simply greed? Do Americans turn a blind eye on the cheating because they think they can obtain a tiny personal advantage for themselves?
Do they secretly like proven, serial cheaters?
Just what does a trading partner have to do to us to get us pissed? Why is “win at all costs” considered “fair trade” when Americans view Toyota, but simply talking of the US removing the cheating, suddenly “isolationism”?
Actual fair trade would kick Toyota in the nuts and give American cars a fighting chance on their own soil. A decision to buy a Toyota or Honda is like declaring “I’m ok with them stealing our jobs and running our deficits so high our children’s children will get nose bleeds”.
————–“Currency manipulation is a policy used by the governments and central banks of some of America’s largest trading partners to artificially set the value of their currency to gain an unfair competitive advantage for their exports.
The IMF defines currency manipulation as “protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market.” Since 1998, Japan has spent $505 billion intervening in currency markets more than 160 times. Japanese government officials also continue to send strong messages to the markets to keep the yen artificially weak. This astonishing record, by any standard, is the classic case of disruptive, trade-distorting currency manipulation.
Countries manipulate their currencies to protect jobs and promote exports. This comes at the expense of taking jobs and siphoning economic growth from their trading partners.”
“Many people believe that Japanese cars and trucks sold in the United States are almost exclusively built in the United States. However, Japan is still exporting nearly 2 million cars and trucks annually into the U.S. – the same level as twenty years ago. In contrast, last year just 15,565 cars were imported into Japan from the U.S”
“Japan’s artificially weak currency policy provides an average subsidy of thousands of dollars for each and every car it exports to the United States. for example at 116 yen to the dollar, a luxury sedan imported into the U.S. can receive an $8,000 subsidy from the government of Japan. Japanese cars produced at plants here in the U.S. are also partially subsidized because of their high imported parts content.”
http://www.autotradecouncil.org/Images/ATPC_curr_92606.pdf
————–Of course those numbers change as the value of the dollar changes and some sources put the amounts lower, but they all show drastic unfair advantages to Japanese manufacturers obtained by cheating.
This is a war over jobs and national wealth. They are cheating us out of ours. This is fact; nobody in the know denies it. Yet like some nation of masochists, we not only allow it to continue year after year, we defend the cheater and beg for more.
ParticipantThis is our ball field; the visiting teams are cheating to win. What do we do about it? We support the cheaters and defend them to our last job!
Is it simply greed? Do Americans turn a blind eye on the cheating because they think they can obtain a tiny personal advantage for themselves?
Do they secretly like proven, serial cheaters?
Just what does a trading partner have to do to us to get us pissed? Why is “win at all costs” considered “fair trade” when Americans view Toyota, but simply talking of the US removing the cheating, suddenly “isolationism”?
Actual fair trade would kick Toyota in the nuts and give American cars a fighting chance on their own soil. A decision to buy a Toyota or Honda is like declaring “I’m ok with them stealing our jobs and running our deficits so high our children’s children will get nose bleeds”.
————–“Currency manipulation is a policy used by the governments and central banks of some of America’s largest trading partners to artificially set the value of their currency to gain an unfair competitive advantage for their exports.
The IMF defines currency manipulation as “protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market.” Since 1998, Japan has spent $505 billion intervening in currency markets more than 160 times. Japanese government officials also continue to send strong messages to the markets to keep the yen artificially weak. This astonishing record, by any standard, is the classic case of disruptive, trade-distorting currency manipulation.
Countries manipulate their currencies to protect jobs and promote exports. This comes at the expense of taking jobs and siphoning economic growth from their trading partners.”
“Many people believe that Japanese cars and trucks sold in the United States are almost exclusively built in the United States. However, Japan is still exporting nearly 2 million cars and trucks annually into the U.S. – the same level as twenty years ago. In contrast, last year just 15,565 cars were imported into Japan from the U.S”
“Japan’s artificially weak currency policy provides an average subsidy of thousands of dollars for each and every car it exports to the United States. for example at 116 yen to the dollar, a luxury sedan imported into the U.S. can receive an $8,000 subsidy from the government of Japan. Japanese cars produced at plants here in the U.S. are also partially subsidized because of their high imported parts content.”
http://www.autotradecouncil.org/Images/ATPC_curr_92606.pdf
————–Of course those numbers change as the value of the dollar changes and some sources put the amounts lower, but they all show drastic unfair advantages to Japanese manufacturers obtained by cheating.
This is a war over jobs and national wealth. They are cheating us out of ours. This is fact; nobody in the know denies it. Yet like some nation of masochists, we not only allow it to continue year after year, we defend the cheater and beg for more.
ParticipantThis is our ball field; the visiting teams are cheating to win. What do we do about it? We support the cheaters and defend them to our last job!
Is it simply greed? Do Americans turn a blind eye on the cheating because they think they can obtain a tiny personal advantage for themselves?
Do they secretly like proven, serial cheaters?
Just what does a trading partner have to do to us to get us pissed? Why is “win at all costs” considered “fair trade” when Americans view Toyota, but simply talking of the US removing the cheating, suddenly “isolationism”?
Actual fair trade would kick Toyota in the nuts and give American cars a fighting chance on their own soil. A decision to buy a Toyota or Honda is like declaring “I’m ok with them stealing our jobs and running our deficits so high our children’s children will get nose bleeds”.
————–“Currency manipulation is a policy used by the governments and central banks of some of America’s largest trading partners to artificially set the value of their currency to gain an unfair competitive advantage for their exports.
The IMF defines currency manipulation as “protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market.” Since 1998, Japan has spent $505 billion intervening in currency markets more than 160 times. Japanese government officials also continue to send strong messages to the markets to keep the yen artificially weak. This astonishing record, by any standard, is the classic case of disruptive, trade-distorting currency manipulation.
Countries manipulate their currencies to protect jobs and promote exports. This comes at the expense of taking jobs and siphoning economic growth from their trading partners.”
“Many people believe that Japanese cars and trucks sold in the United States are almost exclusively built in the United States. However, Japan is still exporting nearly 2 million cars and trucks annually into the U.S. – the same level as twenty years ago. In contrast, last year just 15,565 cars were imported into Japan from the U.S”
“Japan’s artificially weak currency policy provides an average subsidy of thousands of dollars for each and every car it exports to the United States. for example at 116 yen to the dollar, a luxury sedan imported into the U.S. can receive an $8,000 subsidy from the government of Japan. Japanese cars produced at plants here in the U.S. are also partially subsidized because of their high imported parts content.”
http://www.autotradecouncil.org/Images/ATPC_curr_92606.pdf
————–Of course those numbers change as the value of the dollar changes and some sources put the amounts lower, but they all show drastic unfair advantages to Japanese manufacturers obtained by cheating.
This is a war over jobs and national wealth. They are cheating us out of ours. This is fact; nobody in the know denies it. Yet like some nation of masochists, we not only allow it to continue year after year, we defend the cheater and beg for more.
Participant[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]
What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?
That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.
You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?
Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?
Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.
We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.
Participant[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]
What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?
That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.
You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?
Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?
Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.
We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.
Participant[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]
What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?
That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.
You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?
Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?
Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.
We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.
Participant[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]
What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?
That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.
You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?
Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?
Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.
We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.
Participant[quote=patientrenter] In the long run, we’re all better off buying the thing we want most at the best price, regardless of who produced it. [/quote]
What if that means high unemployment and mind numbing deficits? Less money for schools, hospitals, roads and social services? Are we all better off?
That might not be such a crazy statement if American car were like Yugos or something. But they are not; so it’s a crazy statement.
You do realize that Asian cars break don’t you?
Far from being Yugos, consumer reports has ranked American brands ahead of European brands such as BMW and Mercedes for 6 years now. Just how good do we need to get for you?
Even in 2004 these were headlines on USA Today:
“Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable “family sedan” in the survey, beating out Toyota’s Camry and Nissan’s Maxima”You can support American manufacturers AND get a car that is at the top or near the top of reliability reports. The way I see it is you can have your cake and eat it too. The idea that buying American means giving up reliability has been dead for years.
We are ALL actually better off supporting each other and our own country.
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