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April 13, 2009 at 3:15 PM in reply to: Off Topic Here is a test that tests your “political compass” #380800
Ricechex
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April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379495Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=patientrenter]
There are alot of problems with health care. One of the biggest is just that we as people will do anything to avoid death. Usually assisted by doctors who have taken oaths and years of training to stop death at all costs.
We need to find a better way of dying. Spending tens to hundreds of thousands for maybe days needs to change.
[/quote]Fear of death is the motivating factor. The existential dilemma. And if someone dies young ( and this is always relative, what is young is dependent on your age), or in a war, tragic accident, etc., then it is always questioned “why?” “it wasn’t fair” “he was too young.” If a person dies at 80, but was a nasty disingenous (sp?) person of all those years, it seems to be accepted. It is still about entitlement….the entitlement to have consume, live long and be owed.
April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379765Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=patientrenter]
There are alot of problems with health care. One of the biggest is just that we as people will do anything to avoid death. Usually assisted by doctors who have taken oaths and years of training to stop death at all costs.
We need to find a better way of dying. Spending tens to hundreds of thousands for maybe days needs to change.
[/quote]Fear of death is the motivating factor. The existential dilemma. And if someone dies young ( and this is always relative, what is young is dependent on your age), or in a war, tragic accident, etc., then it is always questioned “why?” “it wasn’t fair” “he was too young.” If a person dies at 80, but was a nasty disingenous (sp?) person of all those years, it seems to be accepted. It is still about entitlement….the entitlement to have consume, live long and be owed.
April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379950Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=patientrenter]
There are alot of problems with health care. One of the biggest is just that we as people will do anything to avoid death. Usually assisted by doctors who have taken oaths and years of training to stop death at all costs.
We need to find a better way of dying. Spending tens to hundreds of thousands for maybe days needs to change.
[/quote]Fear of death is the motivating factor. The existential dilemma. And if someone dies young ( and this is always relative, what is young is dependent on your age), or in a war, tragic accident, etc., then it is always questioned “why?” “it wasn’t fair” “he was too young.” If a person dies at 80, but was a nasty disingenous (sp?) person of all those years, it seems to be accepted. It is still about entitlement….the entitlement to have consume, live long and be owed.
April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379995Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=patientrenter]
There are alot of problems with health care. One of the biggest is just that we as people will do anything to avoid death. Usually assisted by doctors who have taken oaths and years of training to stop death at all costs.
We need to find a better way of dying. Spending tens to hundreds of thousands for maybe days needs to change.
[/quote]Fear of death is the motivating factor. The existential dilemma. And if someone dies young ( and this is always relative, what is young is dependent on your age), or in a war, tragic accident, etc., then it is always questioned “why?” “it wasn’t fair” “he was too young.” If a person dies at 80, but was a nasty disingenous (sp?) person of all those years, it seems to be accepted. It is still about entitlement….the entitlement to have consume, live long and be owed.
April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #380123Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=patientrenter]
There are alot of problems with health care. One of the biggest is just that we as people will do anything to avoid death. Usually assisted by doctors who have taken oaths and years of training to stop death at all costs.
We need to find a better way of dying. Spending tens to hundreds of thousands for maybe days needs to change.
[/quote]Fear of death is the motivating factor. The existential dilemma. And if someone dies young ( and this is always relative, what is young is dependent on your age), or in a war, tragic accident, etc., then it is always questioned “why?” “it wasn’t fair” “he was too young.” If a person dies at 80, but was a nasty disingenous (sp?) person of all those years, it seems to be accepted. It is still about entitlement….the entitlement to have consume, live long and be owed.
April 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379475Participant[quote=patientrenter][quote=paramount]…
On one hand, I don’t think any human should be denied life saving healthcare just because they can’t pay.On the other hand, there are only so many resources to go around, so we do need limitations…..[/quote]
I think those are in conflict, paramount. When and if my time comes, I will refuse medical care that merely prolongs my life a little, at great cost to society at large. It’s just like not throwing our used mercury thermometers, or other toxic chemicals, into the public water system. Sure, it may go against the grain to deny ourselves anything, but I think we all bear responsibility to exercise restraint and judicious self-denial for the greater good. We just haven’t faced up to a rational debate and conclusions on health care. Given how primitive is the public’s ability to think rationally about, and discuss, this issue now, I doubt we will tackle it well in our lifetimes.[/quote]
Patientrenter, I am with you. Not only does the medical care prolong your life, but quality of life may be diminished with said healthcare. An example would be chemotherapy, it certain cases. My father was an M.D. and he always said be careful what the doctors say…it is not always in your best interest. The mission statement of a doctor is to make you live at all costs. Is it always the best thing?
I had a friend who had a very old dog who had been dying for 2 years. When he took it to the Vet for the last call, the Vet suggested that the dog undergo many expensive tests, though it was painfully obvious that this was the end. After the tests were concluded, the Vet called back and stated there was nothing he could do. Only to look at the dog, and know the past history would have been enough to know that tests were not necessary. I realize Vets are NOT M.D.’s but this was just to illustrate a point.
Also, congrats to you for not throwing your mercury thermometers in the trash. I never throw batteries away either, though most of the people that I know do, it isn’t easy to find a recycling program. I had some neighbors years ago, that despite the blue recycling bin in the backyard, continued to throw recyclables in the trash. Laziness and entitlement.
(Sorry folks, I know this was a thread hijack…)
April 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379745Participant[quote=patientrenter][quote=paramount]…
On one hand, I don’t think any human should be denied life saving healthcare just because they can’t pay.On the other hand, there are only so many resources to go around, so we do need limitations…..[/quote]
I think those are in conflict, paramount. When and if my time comes, I will refuse medical care that merely prolongs my life a little, at great cost to society at large. It’s just like not throwing our used mercury thermometers, or other toxic chemicals, into the public water system. Sure, it may go against the grain to deny ourselves anything, but I think we all bear responsibility to exercise restraint and judicious self-denial for the greater good. We just haven’t faced up to a rational debate and conclusions on health care. Given how primitive is the public’s ability to think rationally about, and discuss, this issue now, I doubt we will tackle it well in our lifetimes.[/quote]
Patientrenter, I am with you. Not only does the medical care prolong your life, but quality of life may be diminished with said healthcare. An example would be chemotherapy, it certain cases. My father was an M.D. and he always said be careful what the doctors say…it is not always in your best interest. The mission statement of a doctor is to make you live at all costs. Is it always the best thing?
I had a friend who had a very old dog who had been dying for 2 years. When he took it to the Vet for the last call, the Vet suggested that the dog undergo many expensive tests, though it was painfully obvious that this was the end. After the tests were concluded, the Vet called back and stated there was nothing he could do. Only to look at the dog, and know the past history would have been enough to know that tests were not necessary. I realize Vets are NOT M.D.’s but this was just to illustrate a point.
Also, congrats to you for not throwing your mercury thermometers in the trash. I never throw batteries away either, though most of the people that I know do, it isn’t easy to find a recycling program. I had some neighbors years ago, that despite the blue recycling bin in the backyard, continued to throw recyclables in the trash. Laziness and entitlement.
(Sorry folks, I know this was a thread hijack…)
April 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379930Participant[quote=patientrenter][quote=paramount]…
On one hand, I don’t think any human should be denied life saving healthcare just because they can’t pay.On the other hand, there are only so many resources to go around, so we do need limitations…..[/quote]
I think those are in conflict, paramount. When and if my time comes, I will refuse medical care that merely prolongs my life a little, at great cost to society at large. It’s just like not throwing our used mercury thermometers, or other toxic chemicals, into the public water system. Sure, it may go against the grain to deny ourselves anything, but I think we all bear responsibility to exercise restraint and judicious self-denial for the greater good. We just haven’t faced up to a rational debate and conclusions on health care. Given how primitive is the public’s ability to think rationally about, and discuss, this issue now, I doubt we will tackle it well in our lifetimes.[/quote]
Patientrenter, I am with you. Not only does the medical care prolong your life, but quality of life may be diminished with said healthcare. An example would be chemotherapy, it certain cases. My father was an M.D. and he always said be careful what the doctors say…it is not always in your best interest. The mission statement of a doctor is to make you live at all costs. Is it always the best thing?
I had a friend who had a very old dog who had been dying for 2 years. When he took it to the Vet for the last call, the Vet suggested that the dog undergo many expensive tests, though it was painfully obvious that this was the end. After the tests were concluded, the Vet called back and stated there was nothing he could do. Only to look at the dog, and know the past history would have been enough to know that tests were not necessary. I realize Vets are NOT M.D.’s but this was just to illustrate a point.
Also, congrats to you for not throwing your mercury thermometers in the trash. I never throw batteries away either, though most of the people that I know do, it isn’t easy to find a recycling program. I had some neighbors years ago, that despite the blue recycling bin in the backyard, continued to throw recyclables in the trash. Laziness and entitlement.
(Sorry folks, I know this was a thread hijack…)
April 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379976Participant[quote=patientrenter][quote=paramount]…
On one hand, I don’t think any human should be denied life saving healthcare just because they can’t pay.On the other hand, there are only so many resources to go around, so we do need limitations…..[/quote]
I think those are in conflict, paramount. When and if my time comes, I will refuse medical care that merely prolongs my life a little, at great cost to society at large. It’s just like not throwing our used mercury thermometers, or other toxic chemicals, into the public water system. Sure, it may go against the grain to deny ourselves anything, but I think we all bear responsibility to exercise restraint and judicious self-denial for the greater good. We just haven’t faced up to a rational debate and conclusions on health care. Given how primitive is the public’s ability to think rationally about, and discuss, this issue now, I doubt we will tackle it well in our lifetimes.[/quote]
Patientrenter, I am with you. Not only does the medical care prolong your life, but quality of life may be diminished with said healthcare. An example would be chemotherapy, it certain cases. My father was an M.D. and he always said be careful what the doctors say…it is not always in your best interest. The mission statement of a doctor is to make you live at all costs. Is it always the best thing?
I had a friend who had a very old dog who had been dying for 2 years. When he took it to the Vet for the last call, the Vet suggested that the dog undergo many expensive tests, though it was painfully obvious that this was the end. After the tests were concluded, the Vet called back and stated there was nothing he could do. Only to look at the dog, and know the past history would have been enough to know that tests were not necessary. I realize Vets are NOT M.D.’s but this was just to illustrate a point.
Also, congrats to you for not throwing your mercury thermometers in the trash. I never throw batteries away either, though most of the people that I know do, it isn’t easy to find a recycling program. I had some neighbors years ago, that despite the blue recycling bin in the backyard, continued to throw recyclables in the trash. Laziness and entitlement.
(Sorry folks, I know this was a thread hijack…)
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