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[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

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[quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.

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[quote=flu]but back on topic…Fuel price clearly hasn’t gone down.[/quote]a

This will go up and up and I think its good as it will force change. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere and chose to to live near the Trolley line. I don’t mean to be crass, as I know this can really hurt a family and a budget, but gas will be $6/gallon soon and we have to be ready for it. Its gonna happen.

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[quote=flu]but back on topic…Fuel price clearly hasn’t gone down.[/quote]a

This will go up and up and I think its good as it will force change. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere and chose to to live near the Trolley line. I don’t mean to be crass, as I know this can really hurt a family and a budget, but gas will be $6/gallon soon and we have to be ready for it. Its gonna happen.

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[quote=flu]but back on topic…Fuel price clearly hasn’t gone down.[/quote]a

This will go up and up and I think its good as it will force change. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere and chose to to live near the Trolley line. I don’t mean to be crass, as I know this can really hurt a family and a budget, but gas will be $6/gallon soon and we have to be ready for it. Its gonna happen.

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[quote=flu]but back on topic…Fuel price clearly hasn’t gone down.[/quote]a

This will go up and up and I think its good as it will force change. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere and chose to to live near the Trolley line. I don’t mean to be crass, as I know this can really hurt a family and a budget, but gas will be $6/gallon soon and we have to be ready for it. Its gonna happen.

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[quote=flu]but back on topic…Fuel price clearly hasn’t gone down.[/quote]a

This will go up and up and I think its good as it will force change. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere and chose to to live near the Trolley line. I don’t mean to be crass, as I know this can really hurt a family and a budget, but gas will be $6/gallon soon and we have to be ready for it. Its gonna happen.

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[quote=jstoesz] population of people with poor fiscal values. [/quote]

Well, its more than that, and perhaps speaks to Scarlett’s mention of professionals. Markets are shaped not just by economics, but by culture and ideology. No one disputes that the ideology of home ownership in the U.S. is very strong (if sometimes illogical). But people who earn a certain income often want to stretch that income to the limit in order to achieve homogeneity within a particular taste culture – aesthetic, social, economic. So many “professionals” (I suppose I’m one) seem to have driven up prices by going “all in” with stretching dual incomes, rather than live rather modestly in more diverse neighborhoods.

Of course, I’m not drawing from any data – purely anecdotal and general observations.

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[quote=jstoesz] population of people with poor fiscal values. [/quote]

Well, its more than that, and perhaps speaks to Scarlett’s mention of professionals. Markets are shaped not just by economics, but by culture and ideology. No one disputes that the ideology of home ownership in the U.S. is very strong (if sometimes illogical). But people who earn a certain income often want to stretch that income to the limit in order to achieve homogeneity within a particular taste culture – aesthetic, social, economic. So many “professionals” (I suppose I’m one) seem to have driven up prices by going “all in” with stretching dual incomes, rather than live rather modestly in more diverse neighborhoods.

Of course, I’m not drawing from any data – purely anecdotal and general observations.

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[quote=jstoesz] population of people with poor fiscal values. [/quote]

Well, its more than that, and perhaps speaks to Scarlett’s mention of professionals. Markets are shaped not just by economics, but by culture and ideology. No one disputes that the ideology of home ownership in the U.S. is very strong (if sometimes illogical). But people who earn a certain income often want to stretch that income to the limit in order to achieve homogeneity within a particular taste culture – aesthetic, social, economic. So many “professionals” (I suppose I’m one) seem to have driven up prices by going “all in” with stretching dual incomes, rather than live rather modestly in more diverse neighborhoods.

Of course, I’m not drawing from any data – purely anecdotal and general observations.

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[quote=jstoesz] population of people with poor fiscal values. [/quote]

Well, its more than that, and perhaps speaks to Scarlett’s mention of professionals. Markets are shaped not just by economics, but by culture and ideology. No one disputes that the ideology of home ownership in the U.S. is very strong (if sometimes illogical). But people who earn a certain income often want to stretch that income to the limit in order to achieve homogeneity within a particular taste culture – aesthetic, social, economic. So many “professionals” (I suppose I’m one) seem to have driven up prices by going “all in” with stretching dual incomes, rather than live rather modestly in more diverse neighborhoods.

Of course, I’m not drawing from any data – purely anecdotal and general observations.

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[quote=jstoesz] population of people with poor fiscal values. [/quote]

Well, its more than that, and perhaps speaks to Scarlett’s mention of professionals. Markets are shaped not just by economics, but by culture and ideology. No one disputes that the ideology of home ownership in the U.S. is very strong (if sometimes illogical). But people who earn a certain income often want to stretch that income to the limit in order to achieve homogeneity within a particular taste culture – aesthetic, social, economic. So many “professionals” (I suppose I’m one) seem to have driven up prices by going “all in” with stretching dual incomes, rather than live rather modestly in more diverse neighborhoods.

Of course, I’m not drawing from any data – purely anecdotal and general observations.

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[quote=Scarlett].

So I don’t buy that data.[/quote]

Amazing how a personal experience throws data out the window!

I think this is interesting. Of course, the story is 2005. Throw those numbers in there and you get a compelling picture of the trouble folks find themselves in.

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[quote=Scarlett].

So I don’t buy that data.[/quote]

Amazing how a personal experience throws data out the window!

I think this is interesting. Of course, the story is 2005. Throw those numbers in there and you get a compelling picture of the trouble folks find themselves in.

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[quote=Scarlett].

So I don’t buy that data.[/quote]

Amazing how a personal experience throws data out the window!

I think this is interesting. Of course, the story is 2005. Throw those numbers in there and you get a compelling picture of the trouble folks find themselves in.

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