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December 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317117December 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317158
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ParticipantInteresting to notice the basic sentiment on this thread. Looks to be about 50% negative, 30% positive and maybe 20% nuetral. Not unlike how the stock market is behaving right now.
C’mon, it’s Christmas, get out there and buy!!!!December 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317179peterb
ParticipantInteresting to notice the basic sentiment on this thread. Looks to be about 50% negative, 30% positive and maybe 20% nuetral. Not unlike how the stock market is behaving right now.
C’mon, it’s Christmas, get out there and buy!!!!December 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317254peterb
ParticipantInteresting to notice the basic sentiment on this thread. Looks to be about 50% negative, 30% positive and maybe 20% nuetral. Not unlike how the stock market is behaving right now.
C’mon, it’s Christmas, get out there and buy!!!!December 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #316597peterb
ParticipantI think Mr Mortgage hits on a very important point, refi’s tend to need equity to get the deal done. That train has left the station for many people now.
With unemployment rising and home prices dropping, who wants to risk entering the market even if rates are low and prices are down. It’s still a big debt load on a depreciatiing asset that is highly iliquid. Not the kind of move most people make that dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the economy.
So here’s our conundrum, those in,cant get out, those out, dont want to get in. Not much of a market.
If the govt hurry’s and nationalizes the mortgage market at say 2% interest, 100% LTV on all existing mortgages, no doc needed. That would probably put a floor under it for a while. What, maybe $12T in total? This would go a long way towards helping the problem.
From a purely investment point of view, one should never buy into a very leveraged position until there’s strong confirmation of an uptrend in both the investment and the general economic conditions. This is basic successful investing. Anything else is exremely risky investing. Bottom fishing in real estate is not wise. It’s way too expensive to be wrong.December 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #316947peterb
ParticipantI think Mr Mortgage hits on a very important point, refi’s tend to need equity to get the deal done. That train has left the station for many people now.
With unemployment rising and home prices dropping, who wants to risk entering the market even if rates are low and prices are down. It’s still a big debt load on a depreciatiing asset that is highly iliquid. Not the kind of move most people make that dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the economy.
So here’s our conundrum, those in,cant get out, those out, dont want to get in. Not much of a market.
If the govt hurry’s and nationalizes the mortgage market at say 2% interest, 100% LTV on all existing mortgages, no doc needed. That would probably put a floor under it for a while. What, maybe $12T in total? This would go a long way towards helping the problem.
From a purely investment point of view, one should never buy into a very leveraged position until there’s strong confirmation of an uptrend in both the investment and the general economic conditions. This is basic successful investing. Anything else is exremely risky investing. Bottom fishing in real estate is not wise. It’s way too expensive to be wrong.December 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #316989peterb
ParticipantI think Mr Mortgage hits on a very important point, refi’s tend to need equity to get the deal done. That train has left the station for many people now.
With unemployment rising and home prices dropping, who wants to risk entering the market even if rates are low and prices are down. It’s still a big debt load on a depreciatiing asset that is highly iliquid. Not the kind of move most people make that dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the economy.
So here’s our conundrum, those in,cant get out, those out, dont want to get in. Not much of a market.
If the govt hurry’s and nationalizes the mortgage market at say 2% interest, 100% LTV on all existing mortgages, no doc needed. That would probably put a floor under it for a while. What, maybe $12T in total? This would go a long way towards helping the problem.
From a purely investment point of view, one should never buy into a very leveraged position until there’s strong confirmation of an uptrend in both the investment and the general economic conditions. This is basic successful investing. Anything else is exremely risky investing. Bottom fishing in real estate is not wise. It’s way too expensive to be wrong.December 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317010peterb
ParticipantI think Mr Mortgage hits on a very important point, refi’s tend to need equity to get the deal done. That train has left the station for many people now.
With unemployment rising and home prices dropping, who wants to risk entering the market even if rates are low and prices are down. It’s still a big debt load on a depreciatiing asset that is highly iliquid. Not the kind of move most people make that dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the economy.
So here’s our conundrum, those in,cant get out, those out, dont want to get in. Not much of a market.
If the govt hurry’s and nationalizes the mortgage market at say 2% interest, 100% LTV on all existing mortgages, no doc needed. That would probably put a floor under it for a while. What, maybe $12T in total? This would go a long way towards helping the problem.
From a purely investment point of view, one should never buy into a very leveraged position until there’s strong confirmation of an uptrend in both the investment and the general economic conditions. This is basic successful investing. Anything else is exremely risky investing. Bottom fishing in real estate is not wise. It’s way too expensive to be wrong.December 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #317084peterb
ParticipantI think Mr Mortgage hits on a very important point, refi’s tend to need equity to get the deal done. That train has left the station for many people now.
With unemployment rising and home prices dropping, who wants to risk entering the market even if rates are low and prices are down. It’s still a big debt load on a depreciatiing asset that is highly iliquid. Not the kind of move most people make that dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the economy.
So here’s our conundrum, those in,cant get out, those out, dont want to get in. Not much of a market.
If the govt hurry’s and nationalizes the mortgage market at say 2% interest, 100% LTV on all existing mortgages, no doc needed. That would probably put a floor under it for a while. What, maybe $12T in total? This would go a long way towards helping the problem.
From a purely investment point of view, one should never buy into a very leveraged position until there’s strong confirmation of an uptrend in both the investment and the general economic conditions. This is basic successful investing. Anything else is exremely risky investing. Bottom fishing in real estate is not wise. It’s way too expensive to be wrong.peterb
ParticipantThe Japanse know all about the effectiveness of ZIRP. I suspect they will not be all that impressed.
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ParticipantThe Japanse know all about the effectiveness of ZIRP. I suspect they will not be all that impressed.
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ParticipantThe Japanse know all about the effectiveness of ZIRP. I suspect they will not be all that impressed.
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ParticipantThe Japanse know all about the effectiveness of ZIRP. I suspect they will not be all that impressed.
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ParticipantThe Japanse know all about the effectiveness of ZIRP. I suspect they will not be all that impressed.
December 16, 2008 at 7:51 PM in reply to: Fed empties the Armory, expends all ammo, housing has bottomed. SD RE will cost more in August of 09 than it does now. #316486peterb
ParticipantAll the heat in the low end RE market will be the next wave of defaults after 2009, as the places that are rentals will no longer cash flow and the one that are owner occupied will be suffering from the unemployed leaving the state. Unemployment is far worse than most people calculate. Just wait until you feel you are in jeopardy and see how you feel about long term commitments on a depreciating assett.
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