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It is very hard to resist buying what you see everybody else buying. I see many twentysomthings who should be saving like mad yet they spend, spend, spend because all their friends are doing it. It seems reasonable to them to buy that brand new car, regularly spend $100 for a dinner for two and fully furnish their homes with brand new stuff from Pottery Barn. People are looking only at their payment but never really look at the COST.

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Americans have quit saving because it has been a really long time since people have the seen the effects of NOT saving. Those who lived through the depression were/are very thrifty. We need a very hard recession or depression to wake people up.

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Prices are set at the margin. This is great info.

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The “liberal elite” in SoCal includes a good number of Hollywood types. Although rich, they aren’t known for their education. Sean Penn really looked like a big smartie when he went over to Iraq before we invaded. Ben Affleck is a big smartie too. Did I hear that Barbara Streisand is secretly a physicist? Hmm… maybe I’ve got her confused with someone else.

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I do not think any minds have been changed. I have said before that I do not think political threads are good for Piggingtons (and was then accused of being a quitter). I think sdceller is a good example of readers/posters who find these threads frustrating. We may be driving people away and I don’t like that. The more posters we have, the more interesting the discussion.

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I can hardly believe the upward movement of homebuilder stocks today! Has everyone lost their mind?

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I’m not buying this guy’s claim that inflation is the cause of all evil and the disintegration of morality.
A breakdown in the financial system causes chaos. This chaos throws previous moral codes and rules of behavior out the window. People begin reacting to the new social situation. If the situation is chaotic, so is their behavior. The French revolution is a good example. After the revolution, the country was in chaos. Women went from wearing very rigid heavy clothing to flimsy muslins (their outdoor clothing now resembled their former underwear). Some women even began dampening their dresses to make them semi-see through and to make them cling.

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I do prefer that you don’t spout your anti-Bush and anti-America hate. I think it crass it competely devoid of respect for our country. You like to paint yourself as the defender of the high road when you are no such thing.

As for free speech, you have the right to be hateful and I have the right to tell you take it somewhere else.

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Powayseller, free speech means only that government may not punish you for voicing your opinion. Have I suggested that the government should lock you up?
Free speech does not mean that others are prohibited from disagreeing with you.
Free speech does not mean that the press can publish/or report a story that aids our enemies (like reporting government secrets, military positions, movements or plans).

A good example of people who do not understand free speech is the country band The Dixie Chicks. They bad-mouthed the President while overseas. This resulted in angering many Americans who had previously been their fans. Those same former fans quit listening to The Dixie Chicks (me included). Radio stations quit playing their songs because the people listening did not want to hear them anymore. From the beginning of their stupidity, they have been whining about how their right to free speech has been hampered. This is so absurd. Sure, they have a right to spout their anti-Bush stuff. Their audience also has a right to refuse to listen to them anymore. Their problems have nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with the fact they are entertainers who rely on their fans for success. No more fans means no more success.

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PS, you talk about being respected yet you give none to the President of the United States. You even go the unbelievable lengths of calling him a terrorist. You spew hate and vitriol at the President yet expect respect for yourself?

I don’t think we have the obligation to convince the rest of the world of anything.

We have one obligation – protect and nurture the United States of America.

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Powayseller’s posts are exactly the kind of thing I was talking about when I said our policy had been “niced up” in attempt to pacify the media and the left. Even though we have gone to the most extraordinary lengths in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD (and warfare) to prevent civilian deaths while also trying to mitigate problems for them, powayseller wastes no time in declaring our president a terrorist. That makes me sick.

War is ugly. The occupying country is usually unbelievably harsh. We have been phenomenally benign in our occupation. Anyone who says otherwise needs to pick up a history book.

Powayseller wants us to stick our head in the sand like an ostrich while muttering about peace and love. Meanwhile, our a**es would be waving in the air, the perfect target for our next butt kicking.

Take your Bush and anti-America hate somewhere else.

Does anybody really think our problems with radical Islam are going to get better because we turn tail and run now that the Democrats have control of the House and Senate? Do they have any good solutions? I don’t think so. They certainly had a bag full of blame and a lot of finger pointing at their disposal, however.

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I’m on woody’s side. I say Jan 09 too!

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The people who decided to “nice up” are policy are certainly to blame for caving under pressure (just as democrats who now claim they caved under pressure are responsible for their own actions). I do think it is true that our policy was designed in an attempt to appease people who were never going to be appeased. The fault, in the end, does lie with those who made the decision.

I do not think staying the course in the answer. Am I pointing a finger at democrats when I say that?

zk, I say that the question of whether or not we invaded is moot. This is pointing fingers? I think we need to look forward. You, however, seem anxious to rehash that issue and point fingers.

The democrats are, almost en masse, claiming they were dupes and that the entirety of our problems in Iraq lies squarely with the republicans.

When have I EVER claimed that the republicans have no responsibility? I have made it clear that I think we need to change our policy. If I were a party-line finger pointer, I would not be saying that.

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Are the republicans pointing their fingers at the democrats saying everything is their fault? Are the republicans busy denying responsibility for their votes (there are probably one or two, just as there are probably one or two democrats who aren’t trying to cast blame)?

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All of this finger pointing by the democrats and anxious desire to deny any responsibility is appalling. Are we all supposed to believe that the democrats who voted for force in Iraq are a bunch of cowering weenies, beaten down by Bush and forced to vote contrary to their beliefs? Fine. I believe it. You have all convinced me! Your arguments have done a great job of illustrating that Democrats have no backbone. We have now been shown that as a large group, they caved in, abandoned their moral responsibility to do what they believed was right for their constituents and became puppets dancing on strings.

Break out the champagne Perry, you’ve brought me around to your way of thinking!

Perry, I have no doubt that you are well in line with your French friends. They have a history of retreat.

At Belleau Wood, the French turned and ran, encountering Marines marching forward. Confronted by the retreating French (who were fighting to keep their own soil), Marine Captain Lloyd Williams of the 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines said, “Retreat, hell we just got here.”

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