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ParticipantThere are lots of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens who forced them to have babies before they implanted tracking devices in their necks and set them free.
ParticipantThese are conspiracies that I would believe:
The designers of the World Trade Center might have known there were flaws in the design (before, during or after construction) that could lead catastrophic failure. They kept silent and crossed their fingers.
The construction crews may have taken shortcuts to save money.
The construction crews might have made mistakes due to incompetence.
The suppliers of materials might have substituted substandard materials in attempt to cut costs.
As a reminder, the builders of the Titanic touted it as impossible to sink. Oh wait! Hey, what if the sinking of the Titanic was actually a plot to start WWI? Just think about it for a moment…… Maybe it wasn’t an iceberg after all. Maybe it was a German torpedo. Or maybe someone planted explosives in the hull because they knew there would be expensive art and jewels on board and they wanted to collect the insurance. Or maybe aliens had a hidden city under the Titanic’s path and they didn’t want this huge ship passing over all the time.
ParticipantThe very people who certified the steel claim it should not have failed. Of course they are saying that. Saying anything else would open them up to a lawsuit of giant proportions. Sorry, but I don’t agree with anything you have to say on this subject, PS.
I have addressed before how preposterous an idea it is that a large group of people spent weeks planting explosives in the building (plus cutting through key supports, which is necessary in the kind of planned demolition you are suggesting). I think too many people have started believing the wild things they see in action movies – like two people on motorcycles impacting at high speed and then having a fistfight, or falling thirty feet and jumping up without a bruise, or being thrown fifty feet from an explosion without any body damage, or building secret high tech cities underwater where some super rich crazy guy tries to take over the world, or getting a huge insurance policy while planting explosives and cutting supports all the while with the knowledge that radical Muslims are going to attempt (this was by no means a certain conclusion) to hijack airliners and are then going to successfully fly them into the buildings. Whew, I’m out of breath on the last one, there were so many variables…
Have a little common sense.
ParticipantSalo_t’s last line of defense – the Insurance Policy. Hmm, on the surface it certainly is a big coincidence that the buildings were insured within weeks of the attack. However, lets ask ourselves how long it took from the point when insurance was REQUESTED to when it actually went into effect. Insuring the Towers is not as simple as getting homeowners for your house. It takes a lot more than a couple of phone calls where you get quotes on the spot. No doubt there were months or years of phones calls, reports, investigations and number crunching. This was a huge policy. The insurer would have gone through a great deal of due diligence before offering a policy. Further, it is possible that it took years or decades before a policy was offered that was accepted (because of cost or other limitations). It is very possible that the owners of the Towers had been trying to insure the them since the first bombing. Would you have insured them after they had already been bombed?
Since Salo_t is using the insurance as proof of foreknowledge, the important date is not the date the insurance went into effect, rather, it is the date the insurance was requested. When was that Salo_t?ParticipantIt would have been extremely stupid not to insure the towers against a terrorist attack. After all, it had already been a target of a terrorist attack! Sorry but your smoking gun is a broken water pistol.
Gosh, my neighbor updated her homeowner’s insurance two weeks before the Cedar Fire. If her house had burned down, would you have accused her of setting the fire?
Hey, what about Powayseller – her prefab house actually did burn down and she rebuilt a better, nicer house. Do you suppose she set the fire? (firmly tongue in cheek)
As for the buildings falling straight down and collapsing in on themselves, this is a far more likely scenario than the great big Machiavellian plan where explosives were installed. Gravity pulls one way – DOWN.
It is far more likely that there would be strange coincidences than that the government was in on it.
I lived in Northern Virginia during 9-11. My neighbor’s office was destroyed at the Pentagon. In a strange and lucky coincidence, he happened to be home that morning. Do you think he was in on it?
ParticipantSimple minds, hmmm? The lower a person’s intelligence, the easier it is to convince them of the impossible.
The terrorist attacks, if carried out by radical Muslims required as few as 20 people to be in on the plan (there were more, of course, but probably not hundreds). It required some flight training, money and planning. The actual plan was brilliantly simple.
For the US to have engineered it, including bombs placed in the towers, it would be the most complicated, wild, labor intensive, crazy and expensive plan ever devised by a Machiavellian mind. That anyone would actually believe this is amazing. It is even more amazing that the same people who believe Bush capable of such an intensely complicated and difficult plan are the same ones who make fun of his speech errors and go on at length about how stupid he is (according to them).
The outcome was also impossible to predict. The implications could well have included a stock market meltdown, destroying the value of the stocks held by the same people who were supposed to have engineered the whole thing for their gain. It could have kicked off a very severe and long lasting recession or depression, also bad for industry and stock values.
Bgates is right. If the government wanted to manufacture a terrorist attack as an excuse to invade the middle east, they would have used a much simpler plan with far fewer variables as to execution, outcome and potential discovery.
Although I have no proof of this, I would not be surprised if our government has acquired nuclear weapons, removed from the former Soviet Union, in an attempt to keep them off the black market. It would be much simpler to arrange for one of these nukes (or one of our own) to be detonated somewhere where our financial markets and government buildings would not be endangered. Voila! Easy plan, few people involved, simple execution and big impact.
Is it possible that the government was warned? Sure. I am certain that there are tens of such warnings every day. Each time a decision must be made as how credible the information is and to what lengths we must go in a preventative measure. Sometimes only hindsight and actual events tells us which of those threats are the real deal. How can anyone think for even a moment that information pinpointing the time and location of such a horrific event would be ignored? Does anyone really imagine a board room where the president receives such information, perhaps for events that are to happen in a few days, and right there comes up with a wild plan to spin a war and enrich Halliburton? At the same time he just decides to write off whatever buildings that might be destroyed within Washington? So what if a huge hole is blown in the Pentagon and that the rest of it just might burn down as a result. Who needs it anyway! “Yeah,” he must have said, “lets just roll the dice. Maybe the damage won’t be too bad.” Rubbing his hands together, Bush turns to Cheney and says, “Just think of those Halliburton contracts!”
ParticipantContrary to PS’s assertion, it is not patriotic to point hysterical fingers and accuse the US of crazy things. Neither am I a zombie-like “yes” man. She likes to believe this of me and anyone who disagrees with her as it casts her in the position of some kind of all-knowing prophet who deigns to enlighten us all as to the truth about real estate, the economy, terrorist attacks and the “secret“ workings of the government.
How about this as an explanation for the collapse of the towers:
The impact of the planes not only started an extremely hot fire due to absolutely full tanks of jet fuel but also damaged and destroyed important structural supports (which PS’s picture and proof of a hot fire ignores – that was ONLY a fire).
This structural damage and resulting fire led to increasing demands on the remaining supports.
The remaining supports gradually began to fail, one by one (popping noises).
The more supports that failed, the greater the load on the remaining supports. This led to more failures. High heat encourages failure.
Eventually, enough supports failed to lead to the first collapse. Ever played Jenga, anyone?
In any building or structure, there is a point of failure, no matter how well planned. No doubt there was an asymmetrical load on the center supports, which probably encouraged the failure.
The first collapse and resulting forces caused additional, catastrophic damage to the other buildings. This then caused the other buildings to collapse. If the first building had not fallen, it is possible that the other two would have remained standing.
Not enough rubble? Pulverized stuff takes up a lot less space than great big chunks.
I saw the Pentagon damage only day after the attack. It looked like a normal amount of rubble to me.
All of this talk about the World Trade Center is conveniently ignoring the Pentagon. If the government engineered it, why the heck would they blow up the Pentagon? Smoke screen, you say? Is that your only answer? Bull s**t!
Were the terrorist who killed themselves on the planes so anxious to do the bidding of the US government?
As for GPS tracking of the trucks hauling away the steel, how about this for an explanation:
Steel is valuable and they were concerned that it would be stolen for profit. Trucking in NY is notorious for being controlled by the mob.
They may have been concerned that anti-American and anti-government crazies and/or enemies would plant “evidence” to promote a conspiracy theory (like explosive residue).
Why would people believe that the US did this to itself? Some possibilities but not a complete list:
They have an anti-American bias and will accept anything that supports said bias.
It is less scary to believe that our own government did this than that there is group of people outside the US who will go to any lengths to bring us down, including using a nuclear device. After all, our government is unlikely to use a nuke on LA. So, whew, maybe it all over and there is nothing to really worry about.
If the US engineered 9-11, then it takes away any support for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is very satisfying for those against the war.
Some people just like to be contrary.
People believe all sorts of stupid things.
People have a tendency to affix blame in a way that is the least scary. For instance, Jews were blamed for spreading the black plague. So they were burned, murdered and driven away. Those persecuting them felt there was lots of “evidence” too. History is rife with this sort of thing.
Some people see boogie men behind every door.
Some people are only happy if they feel persecuted in some way.
Some people will believe anything negative about a group outside of their own (like Dems vs. Reps) because it makes them feel good or enlightened or superior. They are also unlikely to believe anything negative about their own group because they feel enlightened and superior.
I could go on an on but I’m getting tired of this stupid subject as I have no doubt that I will not change the mind of a single person who is intent on believing that the US government planned and carried out an unimaginably grand scheme to blow up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in some convoluted, complicated plan to cause a war and enrich themselves. They just crossed their fingers and hoped that blowing up the World Trade center would not cause a national financial meltdown and general havoc. Oh, and who cares about the thousands of Americans who would die during the planned collapse of the towers.
I am supposed to be the one with my head buried in the sand? Get real.
ParticipantHey, I have a new conspiracy theory for you! It is great and it would be a thousand times less expensive and far easier to pull off.
(Read the following in a hushed but urgent whisper, frequently looking over your shoulder to make sure no one is watching you)
What if there is a group of people out there who hate the current administration and the US and want to discredit both? So, get this, they hire a bunch of people to post a bunch of nonsense online about how the US engineered 9-11! These people cobble together a bunch of stuff about asbestos, lack of rubble, popping noises and convince everyone that buildings can never fall down no matter how they are damaged (we all know engineers are perfect and that there are never any short cuts taken in construction and that mistakes are never made). These people use some sort of cover, like interest in real estate, to hide their real agenda… EEEK! I’m getting Goosebumps!
This just in – there is new evidence suggesting that the 9-11 hijackers weren’t really radical Muslims who hate the US. They were, in fact, CIA agents who had face transplants. I heard from a reliable source that the US actually has a real transporter (like Star Trek) that was reconstructed from the Roswell spaceship and we used it to beam them off the planes at the last second. They have now had new face transplants are now posing as President Bush and his advisors.
Participanthave been reading this thread with utter amazement. Anyone who believes that 9-11 was manufactured and orchestrated by our government is a person who could be convinced of any ridiculousness, so long as it casts our government in a bad light.
Lets see, strange popping noises as evidence of explosives? I happen to think that there would be all sorts of strange noises in a building that has just been hit by full sized jet liner that has enough fuel on board to fly all the way across the US. Hmmm, does anyone really think that a building which has just sustained enormous damage would be silent? I bet some people reported groaning noises. Hey, maybe those were sound effects piped in by the vast group of people who would be required to pull this off. I can see them now, sitting around their big conference table, taking turns groaning into a tape recorder and then laughing maniacally at the results.
How many people would be needed to successfully pull this off as a US conspiracy, complete with previously placed bombs? A 1000? I haven’t heard anything from all those people. Just one Sergeant. Lets all believe this one guy and ignore the fact that he might be a liar, a guy with mental problems, a guy just after fame or a guy with an ax to grind.
Wow, all that talk about construction happening within an aging building is really scary proof! Everybody knows that once a building is up, there is never any need for repairs, remodels or improvements, right? Well, maybe if you are an owner of a four plex…
Gasp! Silverstein actually made sure he was covered for a terrorist attack! This is proof indeed!
ParticipantI don’t think there are very many of us who cashed out. Other than those on this board, I only know of only two other people who cashed out. One person was forced to cash out in 2004 because of job loss and need the cash for a new business venture. The other person moved out of San Diego for a three year military tour. After talking to us, they sold instead of renting out their house. However, they would not have sold if they were still living here.
I think most people are holding their breath, hoping the tsunami passes over quickly.
ParticipantIs MLS 060065973 a short sale? It looks like this was a speculator. I think I saw somewhere that that it was purchased last summer for 1,050,000. They started out asking 1,185,000 to 1,149,000 and have lowered the price to 999,000. They want to close by the end of Dec.
Anybody have info on this?ParticipantPerry, I think you are just getting softer in your old age. 🙂
ParticipantIs anybody else totally shocked at the upward movement in homebuilder stocks today? WTF??? Is the plunge protection team busy buying up homebuilder stocks in an attempt to convince everyone that things are going to be just fine?
ParticipantWow. It looks like the house is staged. Is it empty?
I really like Liberty Station and went through all the models multiple times. From the peak, this guy has really taken it on the chin. -
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