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“are you more successful, more educated and living a fuller life than your grand dad”

i had 2 grandfathers.

My paternal GF stayed in asia, but he got a PhD (cheap), raised 6 kids, had a 5 plex house in a nice area.

he lacked consumer goods but he had a great career
and great life.

my maternal GF came here after the war as a state employee in meat inspection, he bought a house, raised 5 kids, had a disabled wife, died in a hospital.

my dad had 5 kids, decent houses, paid very little for medicine, never had health insurance.

me no kids, cheap apt, some cool toys,
but i’ve never been able to afford a house.
the prices are astronomical.

my dads first house was 14K, my first car cost that much and it was a chevy.

Dad started 4 companies but could always work as a programmer.

me IT is all offshore.

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[quote=temeculaguy]Yet despite all of the various hand wringing I’ve read throughout my life, the middle class in the U.S. today is as well off as it has ever been in history. With the exception of the lack of concubines and servants, most of us live as well as royalty did a few hundred years ago. Most of us live better than a Doctor or a lawyer did in the 1940’s or 1950’s, at least those of us who aren’t doctors and lawyers.

Be realistic, what was the middle class 30, 40 or 50 years ago? There’s a lot of complaining nowadays that a college degree doesn’t allow you to live worry free about money, but today, a college degree is not that exceptional, it’s kinda middle class. .[/quote]

TG makes a fine argument for hedonics.

the thing he misses is your grandad paid off his mortgage in 15 years.

you talk about the toys people have but not what they don’t have.

in 1970 a 30″ Color tube was expensive but college was cheap. in 1970 a hair stylist drove a POS chevy but could send a kid to State College.

now a Flat screen LCD is cheap and that stylist is blowing men in the back to pay for her loans on beauty school.

Sure TG has a great house and he pays 4X family income while his gtandad paid 2.5X.

Sure there are more calories. but there is less food. people have Type 2 diabetes like mad.
in the third world people are thin, here they re fat and diabetic.

the middle class is dying TG. open your eyes

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[quote=temeculaguy]Yet despite all of the various hand wringing I’ve read throughout my life, the middle class in the U.S. today is as well off as it has ever been in history. With the exception of the lack of concubines and servants, most of us live as well as royalty did a few hundred years ago. Most of us live better than a Doctor or a lawyer did in the 1940’s or 1950’s, at least those of us who aren’t doctors and lawyers.

Be realistic, what was the middle class 30, 40 or 50 years ago? There’s a lot of complaining nowadays that a college degree doesn’t allow you to live worry free about money, but today, a college degree is not that exceptional, it’s kinda middle class. .[/quote]

TG makes a fine argument for hedonics.

the thing he misses is your grandad paid off his mortgage in 15 years.

you talk about the toys people have but not what they don’t have.

in 1970 a 30″ Color tube was expensive but college was cheap. in 1970 a hair stylist drove a POS chevy but could send a kid to State College.

now a Flat screen LCD is cheap and that stylist is blowing men in the back to pay for her loans on beauty school.

Sure TG has a great house and he pays 4X family income while his gtandad paid 2.5X.

Sure there are more calories. but there is less food. people have Type 2 diabetes like mad.
in the third world people are thin, here they re fat and diabetic.

the middle class is dying TG. open your eyes

[patb]

[quote=temeculaguy]Yet despite all of the various hand wringing I’ve read throughout my life, the middle class in the U.S. today is as well off as it has ever been in history. With the exception of the lack of concubines and servants, most of us live as well as royalty did a few hundred years ago. Most of us live better than a Doctor or a lawyer did in the 1940’s or 1950’s, at least those of us who aren’t doctors and lawyers.

Be realistic, what was the middle class 30, 40 or 50 years ago? There’s a lot of complaining nowadays that a college degree doesn’t allow you to live worry free about money, but today, a college degree is not that exceptional, it’s kinda middle class. .[/quote]

TG makes a fine argument for hedonics.

the thing he misses is your grandad paid off his mortgage in 15 years.

you talk about the toys people have but not what they don’t have.

in 1970 a 30″ Color tube was expensive but college was cheap. in 1970 a hair stylist drove a POS chevy but could send a kid to State College.

now a Flat screen LCD is cheap and that stylist is blowing men in the back to pay for her loans on beauty school.

Sure TG has a great house and he pays 4X family income while his gtandad paid 2.5X.

Sure there are more calories. but there is less food. people have Type 2 diabetes like mad.
in the third world people are thin, here they re fat and diabetic.

the middle class is dying TG. open your eyes

[patb]

[quote=temeculaguy]Yet despite all of the various hand wringing I’ve read throughout my life, the middle class in the U.S. today is as well off as it has ever been in history. With the exception of the lack of concubines and servants, most of us live as well as royalty did a few hundred years ago. Most of us live better than a Doctor or a lawyer did in the 1940’s or 1950’s, at least those of us who aren’t doctors and lawyers.

Be realistic, what was the middle class 30, 40 or 50 years ago? There’s a lot of complaining nowadays that a college degree doesn’t allow you to live worry free about money, but today, a college degree is not that exceptional, it’s kinda middle class. .[/quote]

TG makes a fine argument for hedonics.

the thing he misses is your grandad paid off his mortgage in 15 years.

you talk about the toys people have but not what they don’t have.

in 1970 a 30″ Color tube was expensive but college was cheap. in 1970 a hair stylist drove a POS chevy but could send a kid to State College.

now a Flat screen LCD is cheap and that stylist is blowing men in the back to pay for her loans on beauty school.

Sure TG has a great house and he pays 4X family income while his gtandad paid 2.5X.

Sure there are more calories. but there is less food. people have Type 2 diabetes like mad.
in the third world people are thin, here they re fat and diabetic.

the middle class is dying TG. open your eyes

[patb]

[quote=temeculaguy]Yet despite all of the various hand wringing I’ve read throughout my life, the middle class in the U.S. today is as well off as it has ever been in history. With the exception of the lack of concubines and servants, most of us live as well as royalty did a few hundred years ago. Most of us live better than a Doctor or a lawyer did in the 1940’s or 1950’s, at least those of us who aren’t doctors and lawyers.

Be realistic, what was the middle class 30, 40 or 50 years ago? There’s a lot of complaining nowadays that a college degree doesn’t allow you to live worry free about money, but today, a college degree is not that exceptional, it’s kinda middle class. .[/quote]

TG makes a fine argument for hedonics.

the thing he misses is your grandad paid off his mortgage in 15 years.

you talk about the toys people have but not what they don’t have.

in 1970 a 30″ Color tube was expensive but college was cheap. in 1970 a hair stylist drove a POS chevy but could send a kid to State College.

now a Flat screen LCD is cheap and that stylist is blowing men in the back to pay for her loans on beauty school.

Sure TG has a great house and he pays 4X family income while his gtandad paid 2.5X.

Sure there are more calories. but there is less food. people have Type 2 diabetes like mad.
in the third world people are thin, here they re fat and diabetic.

the middle class is dying TG. open your eyes

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[quote=joec]

The middle class in America arose after WWII with the baby boomers and peace time after the war. The boom from early technology, cars, electronics, appliances, etc…helped put a lot of folks get decent middle class jobs.

.[/quote]

FDR created the middle class
reagan wrecked it

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[quote=joec]

The middle class in America arose after WWII with the baby boomers and peace time after the war. The boom from early technology, cars, electronics, appliances, etc…helped put a lot of folks get decent middle class jobs.

.[/quote]

FDR created the middle class
reagan wrecked it

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[quote=joec]

The middle class in America arose after WWII with the baby boomers and peace time after the war. The boom from early technology, cars, electronics, appliances, etc…helped put a lot of folks get decent middle class jobs.

.[/quote]

FDR created the middle class
reagan wrecked it

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[quote=joec]

The middle class in America arose after WWII with the baby boomers and peace time after the war. The boom from early technology, cars, electronics, appliances, etc…helped put a lot of folks get decent middle class jobs.

.[/quote]

FDR created the middle class
reagan wrecked it

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[quote=joec]

The middle class in America arose after WWII with the baby boomers and peace time after the war. The boom from early technology, cars, electronics, appliances, etc…helped put a lot of folks get decent middle class jobs.

.[/quote]

FDR created the middle class
reagan wrecked it

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[quote=Arraya]See, some economic policies do work. Americans were greedy, lazy and needed to be taught a lesson. Next, there is a few million state workers that are greedy, lazy and need to be taught a lesson. Hopefully, when all is said and done, they can all sit around talk about what they did wrong. If that does not work, we will have to take away all benefits, such as food stamps, welfare and UE benefits to teach them the virtues of remaining competitive in a global market. They need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. It will be good for them, I can see it now[/quote]

That is reaganonics.

the rich and the poor

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[quote=Arraya]See, some economic policies do work. Americans were greedy, lazy and needed to be taught a lesson. Next, there is a few million state workers that are greedy, lazy and need to be taught a lesson. Hopefully, when all is said and done, they can all sit around talk about what they did wrong. If that does not work, we will have to take away all benefits, such as food stamps, welfare and UE benefits to teach them the virtues of remaining competitive in a global market. They need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. It will be good for them, I can see it now[/quote]

That is reaganonics.

the rich and the poor

[patb]

[quote=Arraya]See, some economic policies do work. Americans were greedy, lazy and needed to be taught a lesson. Next, there is a few million state workers that are greedy, lazy and need to be taught a lesson. Hopefully, when all is said and done, they can all sit around talk about what they did wrong. If that does not work, we will have to take away all benefits, such as food stamps, welfare and UE benefits to teach them the virtues of remaining competitive in a global market. They need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. It will be good for them, I can see it now[/quote]

That is reaganonics.

the rich and the poor

[patb]

[quote=Arraya]See, some economic policies do work. Americans were greedy, lazy and needed to be taught a lesson. Next, there is a few million state workers that are greedy, lazy and need to be taught a lesson. Hopefully, when all is said and done, they can all sit around talk about what they did wrong. If that does not work, we will have to take away all benefits, such as food stamps, welfare and UE benefits to teach them the virtues of remaining competitive in a global market. They need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. It will be good for them, I can see it now[/quote]

That is reaganonics.

the rich and the poor

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