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[quote=jpinpb]I take issue w/this statement:

“1. Housing is a great long-term investment.

Historically, the value of owner-occupied homes has risen at a fairly low rate, one that pales in comparison with the performance of stocks and bonds. Between 1975 and 2008, the price for houses of comparable quality and size appreciated an average of about 1 percent per year.”

We’ve probably had 2 little bubbles and one big one in that time period and if you sold at peak and bought low, you probably made more than 1 percent. Even if you didn’t sell during the smaller bubbles and sold in 2005/2006, you did fine. Long term doesn’t have to mean your entire life, but holding 30 years in this scenario would have given you some nice gains.[/quote]

Depends where you were. Nationally, Housing hasn’t done well, that’s what the point of the case-shiller graphs are telling you.

Consider Dallas, Big Oil Boom in the late 70’s
hasn’t recovered since.

Consider Detroit, Nothing but downhill for 30 years.

Consider Chicago. Not much gain, My Dad sold a condo on the lakefron in 1977 for 250K, same unit
sold 32 years later for 350K. 40% gain over 32 years?

Historically Real estate has gone up 4%, but inflation has been 2.5% so, it’s not much of a gain.

Now is real estate a steady savings plan? Sure.
Does it give you some control over your destiny?
Sure.

But, lots of places haven’t done well.

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[quote=Jim Jones][quote=mydogsarelazy]Well, I can take a beating, so I will jump in here an post my personal list of Obama’s accomplishments:

1. Brought decency and honesty back to the American presidency.

2. Began taking pragmatic steps to deal with the many complex problems that he inherited.

3. Made me want to listen to what he has to say.

JS[/quote]

It also appears that he likes to play the role of submissive. The part that worries me is not what the American public thinks about this act but how it is viewed in the country in which it occurs. Sometimes I am not sure if we realize the amount of propaganda we produce for those who do not have this countries be interest at heart.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html

Watching this is like watching liberal idiots bow to the doorman at an Indian restaurant in Hillcrest.

Since when as a president to you bow in submission to an unelected sovereign? Unless you are a subject of that sovereign for what reason would you subject the nation you are representing to such submission.[/quote]

Until he tongue kisses a saudi, Obama will be lightyears above that Homo bush in international affairs.

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[quote=Jim Jones][quote=mydogsarelazy]Well, I can take a beating, so I will jump in here an post my personal list of Obama’s accomplishments:

1. Brought decency and honesty back to the American presidency.

2. Began taking pragmatic steps to deal with the many complex problems that he inherited.

3. Made me want to listen to what he has to say.

JS[/quote]

It also appears that he likes to play the role of submissive. The part that worries me is not what the American public thinks about this act but how it is viewed in the country in which it occurs. Sometimes I am not sure if we realize the amount of propaganda we produce for those who do not have this countries be interest at heart.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html

Watching this is like watching liberal idiots bow to the doorman at an Indian restaurant in Hillcrest.

Since when as a president to you bow in submission to an unelected sovereign? Unless you are a subject of that sovereign for what reason would you subject the nation you are representing to such submission.[/quote]

Until he tongue kisses a saudi, Obama will be lightyears above that Homo bush in international affairs.

[patb]

[quote=Jim Jones][quote=mydogsarelazy]Well, I can take a beating, so I will jump in here an post my personal list of Obama’s accomplishments:

1. Brought decency and honesty back to the American presidency.

2. Began taking pragmatic steps to deal with the many complex problems that he inherited.

3. Made me want to listen to what he has to say.

JS[/quote]

It also appears that he likes to play the role of submissive. The part that worries me is not what the American public thinks about this act but how it is viewed in the country in which it occurs. Sometimes I am not sure if we realize the amount of propaganda we produce for those who do not have this countries be interest at heart.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html

Watching this is like watching liberal idiots bow to the doorman at an Indian restaurant in Hillcrest.

Since when as a president to you bow in submission to an unelected sovereign? Unless you are a subject of that sovereign for what reason would you subject the nation you are representing to such submission.[/quote]

Until he tongue kisses a saudi, Obama will be lightyears above that Homo bush in international affairs.

[patb]

[quote=Jim Jones][quote=mydogsarelazy]Well, I can take a beating, so I will jump in here an post my personal list of Obama’s accomplishments:

1. Brought decency and honesty back to the American presidency.

2. Began taking pragmatic steps to deal with the many complex problems that he inherited.

3. Made me want to listen to what he has to say.

JS[/quote]

It also appears that he likes to play the role of submissive. The part that worries me is not what the American public thinks about this act but how it is viewed in the country in which it occurs. Sometimes I am not sure if we realize the amount of propaganda we produce for those who do not have this countries be interest at heart.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html

Watching this is like watching liberal idiots bow to the doorman at an Indian restaurant in Hillcrest.

Since when as a president to you bow in submission to an unelected sovereign? Unless you are a subject of that sovereign for what reason would you subject the nation you are representing to such submission.[/quote]

Until he tongue kisses a saudi, Obama will be lightyears above that Homo bush in international affairs.

[patb]

[quote=Jim Jones][quote=mydogsarelazy]Well, I can take a beating, so I will jump in here an post my personal list of Obama’s accomplishments:

1. Brought decency and honesty back to the American presidency.

2. Began taking pragmatic steps to deal with the many complex problems that he inherited.

3. Made me want to listen to what he has to say.

JS[/quote]

It also appears that he likes to play the role of submissive. The part that worries me is not what the American public thinks about this act but how it is viewed in the country in which it occurs. Sometimes I am not sure if we realize the amount of propaganda we produce for those who do not have this countries be interest at heart.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html

Watching this is like watching liberal idiots bow to the doorman at an Indian restaurant in Hillcrest.

Since when as a president to you bow in submission to an unelected sovereign? Unless you are a subject of that sovereign for what reason would you subject the nation you are representing to such submission.[/quote]

Until he tongue kisses a saudi, Obama will be lightyears above that Homo bush in international affairs.

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[quote=urbanrealtor]That poor man.[/quote]

never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.
— Charles morse in “The Edge”.

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[quote=urbanrealtor]That poor man.[/quote]

never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.
— Charles morse in “The Edge”.

[patb]

[quote=urbanrealtor]That poor man.[/quote]

never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.
— Charles morse in “The Edge”.

[patb]

[quote=urbanrealtor]That poor man.[/quote]

never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.
— Charles morse in “The Edge”.

[patb]

[quote=urbanrealtor]That poor man.[/quote]

never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.
— Charles morse in “The Edge”.

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[quote=ocrenter]sounds like jficquette should start a revolution or join a coup attempt. these days, every time I meet a right winger they tell me a revolution is brewing and a coup is about to happen. and then they wink and smirk and say, “you’ll see.” (I can just picture a garage filled with ammo and semi’s)[/quote]

Tim McVeigh was trying to start a revolution too.

Honestly these beck people seem like bizarre
mirror images of the weathermen and the SLA.

[patb]

[quote=ocrenter]sounds like jficquette should start a revolution or join a coup attempt. these days, every time I meet a right winger they tell me a revolution is brewing and a coup is about to happen. and then they wink and smirk and say, “you’ll see.” (I can just picture a garage filled with ammo and semi’s)[/quote]

Tim McVeigh was trying to start a revolution too.

Honestly these beck people seem like bizarre
mirror images of the weathermen and the SLA.

[patb]

[quote=ocrenter]sounds like jficquette should start a revolution or join a coup attempt. these days, every time I meet a right winger they tell me a revolution is brewing and a coup is about to happen. and then they wink and smirk and say, “you’ll see.” (I can just picture a garage filled with ammo and semi’s)[/quote]

Tim McVeigh was trying to start a revolution too.

Honestly these beck people seem like bizarre
mirror images of the weathermen and the SLA.

[patb]

[quote=ocrenter]sounds like jficquette should start a revolution or join a coup attempt. these days, every time I meet a right winger they tell me a revolution is brewing and a coup is about to happen. and then they wink and smirk and say, “you’ll see.” (I can just picture a garage filled with ammo and semi’s)[/quote]

Tim McVeigh was trying to start a revolution too.

Honestly these beck people seem like bizarre
mirror images of the weathermen and the SLA.

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