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[quote=guitar187]I’m thinking of investing out of state, and I’d like some feedback about investing in Michigan. Any thoughts?

I know there will be plenty of smart ass answers. However, I am really looking for some substance here. I’m specifically leaving this vague, so that I don’t lead the discussion in any one direction.

I look forward to any interesting feedback.[/quote]

I think it’s foolish to invest in anything you can’t get over to manage.

Even with a property manager, you still need to stop by to look at the place regularly.

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china has big investment frauds, it’s just in
materials companies.

Look up Sinoforest for an example

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china has big investment frauds, it’s just in
materials companies.

Look up Sinoforest for an example

[patb]

china has big investment frauds, it’s just in
materials companies.

Look up Sinoforest for an example

[patb]

china has big investment frauds, it’s just in
materials companies.

Look up Sinoforest for an example

[patb]

china has big investment frauds, it’s just in
materials companies.

Look up Sinoforest for an example

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[quote=jeeman]I think that is what these guys are offering….but it’s $7000 including installation. Nowhere near $1000 :-O

jeeman[/quote]

http://www.bestbuypoolsupply.com/solar-heating.htm

Here’s a typical open loop system.

Note collector area should be 50% pool area.

Now you can go low tech, if you have room, just get corrugated iron sheet, paint it black and pump pool water into a distribution line over the top collect into a gutter at the bottom and some pumps and bang… I’d be surprised if it were more then a grand.

If you want to go cheap, paint a roof section black, mount pipe up there, and distribute via gutters. Collect return flow and filter before dumping into the pool

Three hundred bucks…

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[quote=jeeman]I think that is what these guys are offering….but it’s $7000 including installation. Nowhere near $1000 :-O

jeeman[/quote]

http://www.bestbuypoolsupply.com/solar-heating.htm

Here’s a typical open loop system.

Note collector area should be 50% pool area.

Now you can go low tech, if you have room, just get corrugated iron sheet, paint it black and pump pool water into a distribution line over the top collect into a gutter at the bottom and some pumps and bang… I’d be surprised if it were more then a grand.

If you want to go cheap, paint a roof section black, mount pipe up there, and distribute via gutters. Collect return flow and filter before dumping into the pool

Three hundred bucks…

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[quote=jeeman]I think that is what these guys are offering….but it’s $7000 including installation. Nowhere near $1000 :-O

jeeman[/quote]

http://www.bestbuypoolsupply.com/solar-heating.htm

Here’s a typical open loop system.

Note collector area should be 50% pool area.

Now you can go low tech, if you have room, just get corrugated iron sheet, paint it black and pump pool water into a distribution line over the top collect into a gutter at the bottom and some pumps and bang… I’d be surprised if it were more then a grand.

If you want to go cheap, paint a roof section black, mount pipe up there, and distribute via gutters. Collect return flow and filter before dumping into the pool

Three hundred bucks…

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[quote=jeeman]I think that is what these guys are offering….but it’s $7000 including installation. Nowhere near $1000 :-O

jeeman[/quote]

http://www.bestbuypoolsupply.com/solar-heating.htm

Here’s a typical open loop system.

Note collector area should be 50% pool area.

Now you can go low tech, if you have room, just get corrugated iron sheet, paint it black and pump pool water into a distribution line over the top collect into a gutter at the bottom and some pumps and bang… I’d be surprised if it were more then a grand.

If you want to go cheap, paint a roof section black, mount pipe up there, and distribute via gutters. Collect return flow and filter before dumping into the pool

Three hundred bucks…

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[quote=jeeman]I think that is what these guys are offering….but it’s $7000 including installation. Nowhere near $1000 :-O

jeeman[/quote]

http://www.bestbuypoolsupply.com/solar-heating.htm

Here’s a typical open loop system.

Note collector area should be 50% pool area.

Now you can go low tech, if you have room, just get corrugated iron sheet, paint it black and pump pool water into a distribution line over the top collect into a gutter at the bottom and some pumps and bang… I’d be surprised if it were more then a grand.

If you want to go cheap, paint a roof section black, mount pipe up there, and distribute via gutters. Collect return flow and filter before dumping into the pool

Three hundred bucks…

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[quote=jeeman]Open loop…you mean, run the pipes out in the open sun?[/quote]

Open loop. Where you run the pool water up in the panel and dump it right into the pool.

I wouldn’t tie it to your domestic water because they are 2very different problems

Pool :water 58 f raised to 75. 17000 gallons, sterility not a big deal, seasonal,

Hot water 58 raised to 125 or higher, 120-500 gallons, sterility big deal, year round

So open loop is more efficient for small temp rise.

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[quote=jeeman]Open loop…you mean, run the pipes out in the open sun?[/quote]

Open loop. Where you run the pool water up in the panel and dump it right into the pool.

I wouldn’t tie it to your domestic water because they are 2very different problems

Pool :water 58 f raised to 75. 17000 gallons, sterility not a big deal, seasonal,

Hot water 58 raised to 125 or higher, 120-500 gallons, sterility big deal, year round

So open loop is more efficient for small temp rise.

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[quote=jeeman]Open loop…you mean, run the pipes out in the open sun?[/quote]

Open loop. Where you run the pool water up in the panel and dump it right into the pool.

I wouldn’t tie it to your domestic water because they are 2very different problems

Pool :water 58 f raised to 75. 17000 gallons, sterility not a big deal, seasonal,

Hot water 58 raised to 125 or higher, 120-500 gallons, sterility big deal, year round

So open loop is more efficient for small temp rise.

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[quote=jeeman]Open loop…you mean, run the pipes out in the open sun?[/quote]

Open loop. Where you run the pool water up in the panel and dump it right into the pool.

I wouldn’t tie it to your domestic water because they are 2very different problems

Pool :water 58 f raised to 75. 17000 gallons, sterility not a big deal, seasonal,

Hot water 58 raised to 125 or higher, 120-500 gallons, sterility big deal, year round

So open loop is more efficient for small temp rise.

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