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Participant“The swindle of American taxpayers is proceeding more or less in broad daylight, as the unwitting voters are preoccupied with the national election. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson agreed to invest $125 billion in the nine largest banks, including $10 billion for Goldman Sachs, his old firm. But, if you look more closely at Paulson’s transaction, the taxpayers were taken for a ride–a very expensive ride. They paid $125 billion for bank stock that a private investor could purchase for $62.5 billion. That means half of the public’s money was a straight-out gift to Wall Street, for which taxpayers got nothing in return.”
…And both of the crooks running for President voted for this swindle.
Change you can believe in! Country first!
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Participant“The swindle of American taxpayers is proceeding more or less in broad daylight, as the unwitting voters are preoccupied with the national election. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson agreed to invest $125 billion in the nine largest banks, including $10 billion for Goldman Sachs, his old firm. But, if you look more closely at Paulson’s transaction, the taxpayers were taken for a ride–a very expensive ride. They paid $125 billion for bank stock that a private investor could purchase for $62.5 billion. That means half of the public’s money was a straight-out gift to Wall Street, for which taxpayers got nothing in return.”
…And both of the crooks running for President voted for this swindle.
Change you can believe in! Country first!
partypup
Participant“The swindle of American taxpayers is proceeding more or less in broad daylight, as the unwitting voters are preoccupied with the national election. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson agreed to invest $125 billion in the nine largest banks, including $10 billion for Goldman Sachs, his old firm. But, if you look more closely at Paulson’s transaction, the taxpayers were taken for a ride–a very expensive ride. They paid $125 billion for bank stock that a private investor could purchase for $62.5 billion. That means half of the public’s money was a straight-out gift to Wall Street, for which taxpayers got nothing in return.”
…And both of the crooks running for President voted for this swindle.
Change you can believe in! Country first!
partypup
Participant“The swindle of American taxpayers is proceeding more or less in broad daylight, as the unwitting voters are preoccupied with the national election. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson agreed to invest $125 billion in the nine largest banks, including $10 billion for Goldman Sachs, his old firm. But, if you look more closely at Paulson’s transaction, the taxpayers were taken for a ride–a very expensive ride. They paid $125 billion for bank stock that a private investor could purchase for $62.5 billion. That means half of the public’s money was a straight-out gift to Wall Street, for which taxpayers got nothing in return.”
…And both of the crooks running for President voted for this swindle.
Change you can believe in! Country first!
partypup
Participant“On the other hand many people in the world are already living the worst case scenario we could imagine. It is frustrating to to me,seems undisciplined, to wallow in anticipation of possible loss of luxury.This always becomes a demand on our politicians to look around for solutions. Yes, you could challenge as to what I am doing with regard to that. So far not much. I speak out against our unjust contributions and I would gladly accept poverty to reduce them if it would help.I will not support Obama or Mccain. One dissapointment coming from this blog is that many people seem ready to classify the Iraq war as a success or failure based on how it affects our standard or living. I am pretty much against bailing ourselves out with other people’s blood.
What is your take on this last paragraph. I already know you don’t like Obama or McCain.”
So true, Rus. I despise both candidates and, like you will not be supporting either one. Somehow, given what’s become of our political *system*, I think our Founding Fathers would agree with me. Sometimes the greatest action one can take is to simply not participate in or legitimize a thoroughly cancerous system.
I am deeply in envy of your foresight and preps, by the way.
With regard to your last paragraph, we are in agreement on this point. I am very much aware that the losses we, as Americans, are about to experience are nothing so much as the loss of luxury. But they are luxuries that many have grown accustomed to having, and I fear nothing is as dangerous as a soft, lazy, entitled urbanite (or suburbanite) who suddenly finds himself living like the other 98% of the world. This sense of entitlement frustrates me, and to some extent I believe that not only are we about to get what we deserve, but the *punishment* could serve us well in the long run. May make us sturdier folk. More resourceful folk. More determined, less whiny and harder-working folk. More introspective and less superficial folk. More compassionate folk. Folk with better priorities. What frustrates me is that whenever I voice my thoughts on this topic, I usually get the, “Stop, you’re depressing me!” comment. “Can’t we talk about something happier, like my new ringtone?”
As if we exist solely to experience non-stop fun, joy and happy thoughts? Is this the ethic embraced by those who built this country? Have any human beings in history lived the way we expect to live and continue to live? It’s insane. We experienced a *blip* in history with bountiful, easily-accessed food, clean water, cheap vacations, cheap gas, toys and gadgets, etc. And you are right: our politicians have fed our gluttony, never once warning us that one day the feast would end. And even worse, these demons/candidates are now courting us like angels, even now pretending that the losses we invariably face can be avoided. And my great disappointment on this blog is that far too many people believe that these demons can help us avoid our fate.
You are right, we have lived far too long on the blood and sweat of others. Well, all that is about to come to and end. As for me, I’m not afraid of losing what I have. I’ve already begun to adjust my expectations and priorities. I do not fear living like the other 98% now. Year ago I may have, but not now. I’m not sure I gladly accept poverty, but I do understand and accept that a serious reduction in my standard of living is in order, and there’s really nothing I can do about it. Except try to survive as best I can, nurture the relationships with those around me, enjoy the simpler things in life and slowly detach myself from the physical needs that I have grown accustomed to. Enorah has actually been extremely helpful in this regard. I am coming to terms with the possibility that our lives, in this country and on this planet, are about to get a lot more interesting and transformative in the next few years. For those who resist, the transformation will be painful. For those who let go and roll with whatever the universe provides, the transformation will be pretty amazing, I think.
partypup
Participant“On the other hand many people in the world are already living the worst case scenario we could imagine. It is frustrating to to me,seems undisciplined, to wallow in anticipation of possible loss of luxury.This always becomes a demand on our politicians to look around for solutions. Yes, you could challenge as to what I am doing with regard to that. So far not much. I speak out against our unjust contributions and I would gladly accept poverty to reduce them if it would help.I will not support Obama or Mccain. One dissapointment coming from this blog is that many people seem ready to classify the Iraq war as a success or failure based on how it affects our standard or living. I am pretty much against bailing ourselves out with other people’s blood.
What is your take on this last paragraph. I already know you don’t like Obama or McCain.”
So true, Rus. I despise both candidates and, like you will not be supporting either one. Somehow, given what’s become of our political *system*, I think our Founding Fathers would agree with me. Sometimes the greatest action one can take is to simply not participate in or legitimize a thoroughly cancerous system.
I am deeply in envy of your foresight and preps, by the way.
With regard to your last paragraph, we are in agreement on this point. I am very much aware that the losses we, as Americans, are about to experience are nothing so much as the loss of luxury. But they are luxuries that many have grown accustomed to having, and I fear nothing is as dangerous as a soft, lazy, entitled urbanite (or suburbanite) who suddenly finds himself living like the other 98% of the world. This sense of entitlement frustrates me, and to some extent I believe that not only are we about to get what we deserve, but the *punishment* could serve us well in the long run. May make us sturdier folk. More resourceful folk. More determined, less whiny and harder-working folk. More introspective and less superficial folk. More compassionate folk. Folk with better priorities. What frustrates me is that whenever I voice my thoughts on this topic, I usually get the, “Stop, you’re depressing me!” comment. “Can’t we talk about something happier, like my new ringtone?”
As if we exist solely to experience non-stop fun, joy and happy thoughts? Is this the ethic embraced by those who built this country? Have any human beings in history lived the way we expect to live and continue to live? It’s insane. We experienced a *blip* in history with bountiful, easily-accessed food, clean water, cheap vacations, cheap gas, toys and gadgets, etc. And you are right: our politicians have fed our gluttony, never once warning us that one day the feast would end. And even worse, these demons/candidates are now courting us like angels, even now pretending that the losses we invariably face can be avoided. And my great disappointment on this blog is that far too many people believe that these demons can help us avoid our fate.
You are right, we have lived far too long on the blood and sweat of others. Well, all that is about to come to and end. As for me, I’m not afraid of losing what I have. I’ve already begun to adjust my expectations and priorities. I do not fear living like the other 98% now. Year ago I may have, but not now. I’m not sure I gladly accept poverty, but I do understand and accept that a serious reduction in my standard of living is in order, and there’s really nothing I can do about it. Except try to survive as best I can, nurture the relationships with those around me, enjoy the simpler things in life and slowly detach myself from the physical needs that I have grown accustomed to. Enorah has actually been extremely helpful in this regard. I am coming to terms with the possibility that our lives, in this country and on this planet, are about to get a lot more interesting and transformative in the next few years. For those who resist, the transformation will be painful. For those who let go and roll with whatever the universe provides, the transformation will be pretty amazing, I think.
partypup
Participant“On the other hand many people in the world are already living the worst case scenario we could imagine. It is frustrating to to me,seems undisciplined, to wallow in anticipation of possible loss of luxury.This always becomes a demand on our politicians to look around for solutions. Yes, you could challenge as to what I am doing with regard to that. So far not much. I speak out against our unjust contributions and I would gladly accept poverty to reduce them if it would help.I will not support Obama or Mccain. One dissapointment coming from this blog is that many people seem ready to classify the Iraq war as a success or failure based on how it affects our standard or living. I am pretty much against bailing ourselves out with other people’s blood.
What is your take on this last paragraph. I already know you don’t like Obama or McCain.”
So true, Rus. I despise both candidates and, like you will not be supporting either one. Somehow, given what’s become of our political *system*, I think our Founding Fathers would agree with me. Sometimes the greatest action one can take is to simply not participate in or legitimize a thoroughly cancerous system.
I am deeply in envy of your foresight and preps, by the way.
With regard to your last paragraph, we are in agreement on this point. I am very much aware that the losses we, as Americans, are about to experience are nothing so much as the loss of luxury. But they are luxuries that many have grown accustomed to having, and I fear nothing is as dangerous as a soft, lazy, entitled urbanite (or suburbanite) who suddenly finds himself living like the other 98% of the world. This sense of entitlement frustrates me, and to some extent I believe that not only are we about to get what we deserve, but the *punishment* could serve us well in the long run. May make us sturdier folk. More resourceful folk. More determined, less whiny and harder-working folk. More introspective and less superficial folk. More compassionate folk. Folk with better priorities. What frustrates me is that whenever I voice my thoughts on this topic, I usually get the, “Stop, you’re depressing me!” comment. “Can’t we talk about something happier, like my new ringtone?”
As if we exist solely to experience non-stop fun, joy and happy thoughts? Is this the ethic embraced by those who built this country? Have any human beings in history lived the way we expect to live and continue to live? It’s insane. We experienced a *blip* in history with bountiful, easily-accessed food, clean water, cheap vacations, cheap gas, toys and gadgets, etc. And you are right: our politicians have fed our gluttony, never once warning us that one day the feast would end. And even worse, these demons/candidates are now courting us like angels, even now pretending that the losses we invariably face can be avoided. And my great disappointment on this blog is that far too many people believe that these demons can help us avoid our fate.
You are right, we have lived far too long on the blood and sweat of others. Well, all that is about to come to and end. As for me, I’m not afraid of losing what I have. I’ve already begun to adjust my expectations and priorities. I do not fear living like the other 98% now. Year ago I may have, but not now. I’m not sure I gladly accept poverty, but I do understand and accept that a serious reduction in my standard of living is in order, and there’s really nothing I can do about it. Except try to survive as best I can, nurture the relationships with those around me, enjoy the simpler things in life and slowly detach myself from the physical needs that I have grown accustomed to. Enorah has actually been extremely helpful in this regard. I am coming to terms with the possibility that our lives, in this country and on this planet, are about to get a lot more interesting and transformative in the next few years. For those who resist, the transformation will be painful. For those who let go and roll with whatever the universe provides, the transformation will be pretty amazing, I think.
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Participant“On the other hand many people in the world are already living the worst case scenario we could imagine. It is frustrating to to me,seems undisciplined, to wallow in anticipation of possible loss of luxury.This always becomes a demand on our politicians to look around for solutions. Yes, you could challenge as to what I am doing with regard to that. So far not much. I speak out against our unjust contributions and I would gladly accept poverty to reduce them if it would help.I will not support Obama or Mccain. One dissapointment coming from this blog is that many people seem ready to classify the Iraq war as a success or failure based on how it affects our standard or living. I am pretty much against bailing ourselves out with other people’s blood.
What is your take on this last paragraph. I already know you don’t like Obama or McCain.”
So true, Rus. I despise both candidates and, like you will not be supporting either one. Somehow, given what’s become of our political *system*, I think our Founding Fathers would agree with me. Sometimes the greatest action one can take is to simply not participate in or legitimize a thoroughly cancerous system.
I am deeply in envy of your foresight and preps, by the way.
With regard to your last paragraph, we are in agreement on this point. I am very much aware that the losses we, as Americans, are about to experience are nothing so much as the loss of luxury. But they are luxuries that many have grown accustomed to having, and I fear nothing is as dangerous as a soft, lazy, entitled urbanite (or suburbanite) who suddenly finds himself living like the other 98% of the world. This sense of entitlement frustrates me, and to some extent I believe that not only are we about to get what we deserve, but the *punishment* could serve us well in the long run. May make us sturdier folk. More resourceful folk. More determined, less whiny and harder-working folk. More introspective and less superficial folk. More compassionate folk. Folk with better priorities. What frustrates me is that whenever I voice my thoughts on this topic, I usually get the, “Stop, you’re depressing me!” comment. “Can’t we talk about something happier, like my new ringtone?”
As if we exist solely to experience non-stop fun, joy and happy thoughts? Is this the ethic embraced by those who built this country? Have any human beings in history lived the way we expect to live and continue to live? It’s insane. We experienced a *blip* in history with bountiful, easily-accessed food, clean water, cheap vacations, cheap gas, toys and gadgets, etc. And you are right: our politicians have fed our gluttony, never once warning us that one day the feast would end. And even worse, these demons/candidates are now courting us like angels, even now pretending that the losses we invariably face can be avoided. And my great disappointment on this blog is that far too many people believe that these demons can help us avoid our fate.
You are right, we have lived far too long on the blood and sweat of others. Well, all that is about to come to and end. As for me, I’m not afraid of losing what I have. I’ve already begun to adjust my expectations and priorities. I do not fear living like the other 98% now. Year ago I may have, but not now. I’m not sure I gladly accept poverty, but I do understand and accept that a serious reduction in my standard of living is in order, and there’s really nothing I can do about it. Except try to survive as best I can, nurture the relationships with those around me, enjoy the simpler things in life and slowly detach myself from the physical needs that I have grown accustomed to. Enorah has actually been extremely helpful in this regard. I am coming to terms with the possibility that our lives, in this country and on this planet, are about to get a lot more interesting and transformative in the next few years. For those who resist, the transformation will be painful. For those who let go and roll with whatever the universe provides, the transformation will be pretty amazing, I think.
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Participant“On the other hand many people in the world are already living the worst case scenario we could imagine. It is frustrating to to me,seems undisciplined, to wallow in anticipation of possible loss of luxury.This always becomes a demand on our politicians to look around for solutions. Yes, you could challenge as to what I am doing with regard to that. So far not much. I speak out against our unjust contributions and I would gladly accept poverty to reduce them if it would help.I will not support Obama or Mccain. One dissapointment coming from this blog is that many people seem ready to classify the Iraq war as a success or failure based on how it affects our standard or living. I am pretty much against bailing ourselves out with other people’s blood.
What is your take on this last paragraph. I already know you don’t like Obama or McCain.”
So true, Rus. I despise both candidates and, like you will not be supporting either one. Somehow, given what’s become of our political *system*, I think our Founding Fathers would agree with me. Sometimes the greatest action one can take is to simply not participate in or legitimize a thoroughly cancerous system.
I am deeply in envy of your foresight and preps, by the way.
With regard to your last paragraph, we are in agreement on this point. I am very much aware that the losses we, as Americans, are about to experience are nothing so much as the loss of luxury. But they are luxuries that many have grown accustomed to having, and I fear nothing is as dangerous as a soft, lazy, entitled urbanite (or suburbanite) who suddenly finds himself living like the other 98% of the world. This sense of entitlement frustrates me, and to some extent I believe that not only are we about to get what we deserve, but the *punishment* could serve us well in the long run. May make us sturdier folk. More resourceful folk. More determined, less whiny and harder-working folk. More introspective and less superficial folk. More compassionate folk. Folk with better priorities. What frustrates me is that whenever I voice my thoughts on this topic, I usually get the, “Stop, you’re depressing me!” comment. “Can’t we talk about something happier, like my new ringtone?”
As if we exist solely to experience non-stop fun, joy and happy thoughts? Is this the ethic embraced by those who built this country? Have any human beings in history lived the way we expect to live and continue to live? It’s insane. We experienced a *blip* in history with bountiful, easily-accessed food, clean water, cheap vacations, cheap gas, toys and gadgets, etc. And you are right: our politicians have fed our gluttony, never once warning us that one day the feast would end. And even worse, these demons/candidates are now courting us like angels, even now pretending that the losses we invariably face can be avoided. And my great disappointment on this blog is that far too many people believe that these demons can help us avoid our fate.
You are right, we have lived far too long on the blood and sweat of others. Well, all that is about to come to and end. As for me, I’m not afraid of losing what I have. I’ve already begun to adjust my expectations and priorities. I do not fear living like the other 98% now. Year ago I may have, but not now. I’m not sure I gladly accept poverty, but I do understand and accept that a serious reduction in my standard of living is in order, and there’s really nothing I can do about it. Except try to survive as best I can, nurture the relationships with those around me, enjoy the simpler things in life and slowly detach myself from the physical needs that I have grown accustomed to. Enorah has actually been extremely helpful in this regard. I am coming to terms with the possibility that our lives, in this country and on this planet, are about to get a lot more interesting and transformative in the next few years. For those who resist, the transformation will be painful. For those who let go and roll with whatever the universe provides, the transformation will be pretty amazing, I think.
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Participant[quote=TheBreeze]So it’s now been 6 weeks since the original post was made. When’s the chaos going to get here already? Or did it get here and I missed it? Wasn’t gold supposed to sky rocket? [/quote]
Well, let’s see…the Dow lost 2,000 points this month (all in one week) and lost as much as 3,000 points at one point. All in one month. Did you miss that? Because I’m sure the traders and hedge fund managers and bank CEOs who are now scrambling for life vests didn’t miss it.
And if you want to know if the price of gold is “skyrocketing”…try buying some from a dealer. Oh, and let me know if you find any for less than $150 over spot. Here, I’ll help you. Let’s look on eBay:
17 bids at $953 per Troy ounce. Hmmmm….how about that? Guess it doesn’t pay to spend too much time watching the gold futures market. Since it’s just paper.
So let’s review: physical gold up 20% in October. Dow down 24% in October…
Yep, sure looks like gold is skyrocketing to me. And I’d say the market is in chaos.
Now you’re up to speed, Breeze. Check back in more often π
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Participant[quote=TheBreeze]So it’s now been 6 weeks since the original post was made. When’s the chaos going to get here already? Or did it get here and I missed it? Wasn’t gold supposed to sky rocket? [/quote]
Well, let’s see…the Dow lost 2,000 points this month (all in one week) and lost as much as 3,000 points at one point. All in one month. Did you miss that? Because I’m sure the traders and hedge fund managers and bank CEOs who are now scrambling for life vests didn’t miss it.
And if you want to know if the price of gold is “skyrocketing”…try buying some from a dealer. Oh, and let me know if you find any for less than $150 over spot. Here, I’ll help you. Let’s look on eBay:
17 bids at $953 per Troy ounce. Hmmmm….how about that? Guess it doesn’t pay to spend too much time watching the gold futures market. Since it’s just paper.
So let’s review: physical gold up 20% in October. Dow down 24% in October…
Yep, sure looks like gold is skyrocketing to me. And I’d say the market is in chaos.
Now you’re up to speed, Breeze. Check back in more often π
partypup
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]So it’s now been 6 weeks since the original post was made. When’s the chaos going to get here already? Or did it get here and I missed it? Wasn’t gold supposed to sky rocket? [/quote]
Well, let’s see…the Dow lost 2,000 points this month (all in one week) and lost as much as 3,000 points at one point. All in one month. Did you miss that? Because I’m sure the traders and hedge fund managers and bank CEOs who are now scrambling for life vests didn’t miss it.
And if you want to know if the price of gold is “skyrocketing”…try buying some from a dealer. Oh, and let me know if you find any for less than $150 over spot. Here, I’ll help you. Let’s look on eBay:
17 bids at $953 per Troy ounce. Hmmmm….how about that? Guess it doesn’t pay to spend too much time watching the gold futures market. Since it’s just paper.
So let’s review: physical gold up 20% in October. Dow down 24% in October…
Yep, sure looks like gold is skyrocketing to me. And I’d say the market is in chaos.
Now you’re up to speed, Breeze. Check back in more often π
partypup
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]So it’s now been 6 weeks since the original post was made. When’s the chaos going to get here already? Or did it get here and I missed it? Wasn’t gold supposed to sky rocket? [/quote]
Well, let’s see…the Dow lost 2,000 points this month (all in one week) and lost as much as 3,000 points at one point. All in one month. Did you miss that? Because I’m sure the traders and hedge fund managers and bank CEOs who are now scrambling for life vests didn’t miss it.
And if you want to know if the price of gold is “skyrocketing”…try buying some from a dealer. Oh, and let me know if you find any for less than $150 over spot. Here, I’ll help you. Let’s look on eBay:
17 bids at $953 per Troy ounce. Hmmmm….how about that? Guess it doesn’t pay to spend too much time watching the gold futures market. Since it’s just paper.
So let’s review: physical gold up 20% in October. Dow down 24% in October…
Yep, sure looks like gold is skyrocketing to me. And I’d say the market is in chaos.
Now you’re up to speed, Breeze. Check back in more often π
partypup
Participant[quote=TheBreeze]So it’s now been 6 weeks since the original post was made. When’s the chaos going to get here already? Or did it get here and I missed it? Wasn’t gold supposed to sky rocket? [/quote]
Well, let’s see…the Dow lost 2,000 points this month (all in one week) and lost as much as 3,000 points at one point. All in one month. Did you miss that? Because I’m sure the traders and hedge fund managers and bank CEOs who are now scrambling for life vests didn’t miss it.
And if you want to know if the price of gold is “skyrocketing”…try buying some from a dealer. Oh, and let me know if you find any for less than $150 over spot. Here, I’ll help you. Let’s look on eBay:
17 bids at $953 per Troy ounce. Hmmmm….how about that? Guess it doesn’t pay to spend too much time watching the gold futures market. Since it’s just paper.
So let’s review: physical gold up 20% in October. Dow down 24% in October…
Yep, sure looks like gold is skyrocketing to me. And I’d say the market is in chaos.
Now you’re up to speed, Breeze. Check back in more often π
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