[partypup]

[quote=afx114]urban, that’s not enough. John & partypup need to see his placenta with the ‘Made in U.S.A’ stamp on it.[/quote]

Actually, I believe all that is necessary is to give the Secretary of the State of Hawaii permission to release a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

The original obviously isn’t necessary.

Placenta not required.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]urban, that’s not enough. John & partypup need to see his placenta with the ‘Made in U.S.A’ stamp on it.[/quote]

Actually, I believe all that is necessary is to give the Secretary of the State of Hawaii permission to release a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

The original obviously isn’t necessary.

Placenta not required.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]urban, that’s not enough. John & partypup need to see his placenta with the ‘Made in U.S.A’ stamp on it.[/quote]

Actually, I believe all that is necessary is to give the Secretary of the State of Hawaii permission to release a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

The original obviously isn’t necessary.

Placenta not required.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]urban, that’s not enough. John & partypup need to see his placenta with the ‘Made in U.S.A’ stamp on it.[/quote]

Actually, I believe all that is necessary is to give the Secretary of the State of Hawaii permission to release a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

The original obviously isn’t necessary.

Placenta not required.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]urban, that’s not enough. John & partypup need to see his placenta with the ‘Made in U.S.A’ stamp on it.[/quote]

Actually, I believe all that is necessary is to give the Secretary of the State of Hawaii permission to release a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

The original obviously isn’t necessary.

Placenta not required.

[partypup]

“partypup,
If this is such a grave and treasonous situation that Obama is committing, and you’re a lawyer, why not do some pro bono work to uncover the truth for the sake of the country and the world? Obviously your lawyer skills are superior to anything the RNC has been able to produce.”

Afx114,

You obviously did not read my post carefully enough. I invite you to re-read it again, more slowly. The average citizen (of which I confess to be, even with my “superior” lawyer skills), does NOT have standing, according to the federal courts, to contest Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution. That means that even I, with my masterful legal wizardry, could not successfully prosecute a suit against Obama on this issue.

Given this fact, it hardly matters whether I choose to work pro bono or for payment. Ditto for the RNC, for which I would never render services, btw. In the courts’ dicta, it appears that only Congress would have standing to inquire into this matter.

Do you get it now?

That said, it hardly seems likely that an infuriated GOP base — in the event of an Obama victory — would simply drop this matter. I suspect it would get pounded in the right-wing media, drilled into the GOP base and eventually pushed into the media limelight and funneled up the Congressional ladder, much as the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals were thrust upon the Clintons. If the Democrats don’t mind that indignity besetting the country’s first black president, then so be it.

The bottom line is that McCain produced his birth certificate. It’s a $9 document (perhaps as much as $15 with overnight shipping and handling). Why does the Obama camp not simply produce the certificate and be done with this controversy? How is it advantageous to him to avoid addressing the merits of this issue?

And here’s another question for you: While I have no idea whether or not Obama is or isn’t a natural-born citizen, would it make a difference to you if he wasn’t? From the mocking tone of your post, it sounds like this would be more of a pesky nuisance to you than a legitimate Constitutional concern.

[partypup]

“partypup,
If this is such a grave and treasonous situation that Obama is committing, and you’re a lawyer, why not do some pro bono work to uncover the truth for the sake of the country and the world? Obviously your lawyer skills are superior to anything the RNC has been able to produce.”

Afx114,

You obviously did not read my post carefully enough. I invite you to re-read it again, more slowly. The average citizen (of which I confess to be, even with my “superior” lawyer skills), does NOT have standing, according to the federal courts, to contest Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution. That means that even I, with my masterful legal wizardry, could not successfully prosecute a suit against Obama on this issue.

Given this fact, it hardly matters whether I choose to work pro bono or for payment. Ditto for the RNC, for which I would never render services, btw. In the courts’ dicta, it appears that only Congress would have standing to inquire into this matter.

Do you get it now?

That said, it hardly seems likely that an infuriated GOP base — in the event of an Obama victory — would simply drop this matter. I suspect it would get pounded in the right-wing media, drilled into the GOP base and eventually pushed into the media limelight and funneled up the Congressional ladder, much as the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals were thrust upon the Clintons. If the Democrats don’t mind that indignity besetting the country’s first black president, then so be it.

The bottom line is that McCain produced his birth certificate. It’s a $9 document (perhaps as much as $15 with overnight shipping and handling). Why does the Obama camp not simply produce the certificate and be done with this controversy? How is it advantageous to him to avoid addressing the merits of this issue?

And here’s another question for you: While I have no idea whether or not Obama is or isn’t a natural-born citizen, would it make a difference to you if he wasn’t? From the mocking tone of your post, it sounds like this would be more of a pesky nuisance to you than a legitimate Constitutional concern.

[partypup]

“partypup,
If this is such a grave and treasonous situation that Obama is committing, and you’re a lawyer, why not do some pro bono work to uncover the truth for the sake of the country and the world? Obviously your lawyer skills are superior to anything the RNC has been able to produce.”

Afx114,

You obviously did not read my post carefully enough. I invite you to re-read it again, more slowly. The average citizen (of which I confess to be, even with my “superior” lawyer skills), does NOT have standing, according to the federal courts, to contest Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution. That means that even I, with my masterful legal wizardry, could not successfully prosecute a suit against Obama on this issue.

Given this fact, it hardly matters whether I choose to work pro bono or for payment. Ditto for the RNC, for which I would never render services, btw. In the courts’ dicta, it appears that only Congress would have standing to inquire into this matter.

Do you get it now?

That said, it hardly seems likely that an infuriated GOP base — in the event of an Obama victory — would simply drop this matter. I suspect it would get pounded in the right-wing media, drilled into the GOP base and eventually pushed into the media limelight and funneled up the Congressional ladder, much as the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals were thrust upon the Clintons. If the Democrats don’t mind that indignity besetting the country’s first black president, then so be it.

The bottom line is that McCain produced his birth certificate. It’s a $9 document (perhaps as much as $15 with overnight shipping and handling). Why does the Obama camp not simply produce the certificate and be done with this controversy? How is it advantageous to him to avoid addressing the merits of this issue?

And here’s another question for you: While I have no idea whether or not Obama is or isn’t a natural-born citizen, would it make a difference to you if he wasn’t? From the mocking tone of your post, it sounds like this would be more of a pesky nuisance to you than a legitimate Constitutional concern.

[partypup]

“partypup,
If this is such a grave and treasonous situation that Obama is committing, and you’re a lawyer, why not do some pro bono work to uncover the truth for the sake of the country and the world? Obviously your lawyer skills are superior to anything the RNC has been able to produce.”

Afx114,

You obviously did not read my post carefully enough. I invite you to re-read it again, more slowly. The average citizen (of which I confess to be, even with my “superior” lawyer skills), does NOT have standing, according to the federal courts, to contest Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution. That means that even I, with my masterful legal wizardry, could not successfully prosecute a suit against Obama on this issue.

Given this fact, it hardly matters whether I choose to work pro bono or for payment. Ditto for the RNC, for which I would never render services, btw. In the courts’ dicta, it appears that only Congress would have standing to inquire into this matter.

Do you get it now?

That said, it hardly seems likely that an infuriated GOP base — in the event of an Obama victory — would simply drop this matter. I suspect it would get pounded in the right-wing media, drilled into the GOP base and eventually pushed into the media limelight and funneled up the Congressional ladder, much as the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals were thrust upon the Clintons. If the Democrats don’t mind that indignity besetting the country’s first black president, then so be it.

The bottom line is that McCain produced his birth certificate. It’s a $9 document (perhaps as much as $15 with overnight shipping and handling). Why does the Obama camp not simply produce the certificate and be done with this controversy? How is it advantageous to him to avoid addressing the merits of this issue?

And here’s another question for you: While I have no idea whether or not Obama is or isn’t a natural-born citizen, would it make a difference to you if he wasn’t? From the mocking tone of your post, it sounds like this would be more of a pesky nuisance to you than a legitimate Constitutional concern.

[partypup]

“partypup,
If this is such a grave and treasonous situation that Obama is committing, and you’re a lawyer, why not do some pro bono work to uncover the truth for the sake of the country and the world? Obviously your lawyer skills are superior to anything the RNC has been able to produce.”

Afx114,

You obviously did not read my post carefully enough. I invite you to re-read it again, more slowly. The average citizen (of which I confess to be, even with my “superior” lawyer skills), does NOT have standing, according to the federal courts, to contest Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution. That means that even I, with my masterful legal wizardry, could not successfully prosecute a suit against Obama on this issue.

Given this fact, it hardly matters whether I choose to work pro bono or for payment. Ditto for the RNC, for which I would never render services, btw. In the courts’ dicta, it appears that only Congress would have standing to inquire into this matter.

Do you get it now?

That said, it hardly seems likely that an infuriated GOP base — in the event of an Obama victory — would simply drop this matter. I suspect it would get pounded in the right-wing media, drilled into the GOP base and eventually pushed into the media limelight and funneled up the Congressional ladder, much as the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals were thrust upon the Clintons. If the Democrats don’t mind that indignity besetting the country’s first black president, then so be it.

The bottom line is that McCain produced his birth certificate. It’s a $9 document (perhaps as much as $15 with overnight shipping and handling). Why does the Obama camp not simply produce the certificate and be done with this controversy? How is it advantageous to him to avoid addressing the merits of this issue?

And here’s another question for you: While I have no idea whether or not Obama is or isn’t a natural-born citizen, would it make a difference to you if he wasn’t? From the mocking tone of your post, it sounds like this would be more of a pesky nuisance to you than a legitimate Constitutional concern.

[partypup]

“John-What I find interesting is the prior judges ruling. “Lack of standing”:
Standing is founded “in concern about the proper–and properly limited–role of the courts in a democratic society. It had nothing to do with the evidence.”

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that having a case dismissed based on lack of standing is akin to escaping based on the biggest technicality available. The merits of the case weren’t addressed in the least. In other words, the court in essence said, “We have no interest in determining whether Obama is or isn’t a natural born citizen because the plaintiff isn’t the person or entity who has the right to ask that question.”

Curiously, two suits were also brought against McCain for lack of citizenship eligibility. In McCain’s case however, at least one of the suits was dismissed based on lack of standing AND the merits. The judge examined the plaintiff’s argument and, as a matter of law, determined that McCain’s birth on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone did not affect his eligibility to be president. McCain has also produced his birth certificate.

That’s not the case with Obama. All efforts are being made to avoid producing his birth certificate, even if technicalities must be relied upon to avoid production. It’s odd, to say the least.

My concern is that this issue is not going to go away if Obama is elected. There is a growing faction in this country that is now aware of this story, and they are going to continue to push for the birth certificate to be released if their candidate of choice loses the election. They are going to make every attempt to discredit Obama. And as our economic and social fabric deteriorates, the hunt for a scapegoat will begin. The honeymoon with Obama will not last long in our current environment. He will be on the defensive. And so sooner or later the question is going to be raised: “If Berg or any average citizen does not have standing to bring this suit, then who does?”

One way or another, Obama will eventually have to confront this controversy. He won’t be able to avoid it with the “standing” defense forever. If the facts are in his favor, then he should dispel the controversy now. If the facts are not in his favor, then he is only delaying the inevitable and creating a potential constitutional crisis and a major embarrassment for Democrats. All in all, the way in which this has been handled seems quite irresponsible to me.

[partypup]

“John-What I find interesting is the prior judges ruling. “Lack of standing”:
Standing is founded “in concern about the proper–and properly limited–role of the courts in a democratic society. It had nothing to do with the evidence.”

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that having a case dismissed based on lack of standing is akin to escaping based on the biggest technicality available. The merits of the case weren’t addressed in the least. In other words, the court in essence said, “We have no interest in determining whether Obama is or isn’t a natural born citizen because the plaintiff isn’t the person or entity who has the right to ask that question.”

Curiously, two suits were also brought against McCain for lack of citizenship eligibility. In McCain’s case however, at least one of the suits was dismissed based on lack of standing AND the merits. The judge examined the plaintiff’s argument and, as a matter of law, determined that McCain’s birth on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone did not affect his eligibility to be president. McCain has also produced his birth certificate.

That’s not the case with Obama. All efforts are being made to avoid producing his birth certificate, even if technicalities must be relied upon to avoid production. It’s odd, to say the least.

My concern is that this issue is not going to go away if Obama is elected. There is a growing faction in this country that is now aware of this story, and they are going to continue to push for the birth certificate to be released if their candidate of choice loses the election. They are going to make every attempt to discredit Obama. And as our economic and social fabric deteriorates, the hunt for a scapegoat will begin. The honeymoon with Obama will not last long in our current environment. He will be on the defensive. And so sooner or later the question is going to be raised: “If Berg or any average citizen does not have standing to bring this suit, then who does?”

One way or another, Obama will eventually have to confront this controversy. He won’t be able to avoid it with the “standing” defense forever. If the facts are in his favor, then he should dispel the controversy now. If the facts are not in his favor, then he is only delaying the inevitable and creating a potential constitutional crisis and a major embarrassment for Democrats. All in all, the way in which this has been handled seems quite irresponsible to me.

[partypup]

“John-What I find interesting is the prior judges ruling. “Lack of standing”:
Standing is founded “in concern about the proper–and properly limited–role of the courts in a democratic society. It had nothing to do with the evidence.”

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that having a case dismissed based on lack of standing is akin to escaping based on the biggest technicality available. The merits of the case weren’t addressed in the least. In other words, the court in essence said, “We have no interest in determining whether Obama is or isn’t a natural born citizen because the plaintiff isn’t the person or entity who has the right to ask that question.”

Curiously, two suits were also brought against McCain for lack of citizenship eligibility. In McCain’s case however, at least one of the suits was dismissed based on lack of standing AND the merits. The judge examined the plaintiff’s argument and, as a matter of law, determined that McCain’s birth on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone did not affect his eligibility to be president. McCain has also produced his birth certificate.

That’s not the case with Obama. All efforts are being made to avoid producing his birth certificate, even if technicalities must be relied upon to avoid production. It’s odd, to say the least.

My concern is that this issue is not going to go away if Obama is elected. There is a growing faction in this country that is now aware of this story, and they are going to continue to push for the birth certificate to be released if their candidate of choice loses the election. They are going to make every attempt to discredit Obama. And as our economic and social fabric deteriorates, the hunt for a scapegoat will begin. The honeymoon with Obama will not last long in our current environment. He will be on the defensive. And so sooner or later the question is going to be raised: “If Berg or any average citizen does not have standing to bring this suit, then who does?”

One way or another, Obama will eventually have to confront this controversy. He won’t be able to avoid it with the “standing” defense forever. If the facts are in his favor, then he should dispel the controversy now. If the facts are not in his favor, then he is only delaying the inevitable and creating a potential constitutional crisis and a major embarrassment for Democrats. All in all, the way in which this has been handled seems quite irresponsible to me.

[partypup]

“John-What I find interesting is the prior judges ruling. “Lack of standing”:
Standing is founded “in concern about the proper–and properly limited–role of the courts in a democratic society. It had nothing to do with the evidence.”

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that having a case dismissed based on lack of standing is akin to escaping based on the biggest technicality available. The merits of the case weren’t addressed in the least. In other words, the court in essence said, “We have no interest in determining whether Obama is or isn’t a natural born citizen because the plaintiff isn’t the person or entity who has the right to ask that question.”

Curiously, two suits were also brought against McCain for lack of citizenship eligibility. In McCain’s case however, at least one of the suits was dismissed based on lack of standing AND the merits. The judge examined the plaintiff’s argument and, as a matter of law, determined that McCain’s birth on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone did not affect his eligibility to be president. McCain has also produced his birth certificate.

That’s not the case with Obama. All efforts are being made to avoid producing his birth certificate, even if technicalities must be relied upon to avoid production. It’s odd, to say the least.

My concern is that this issue is not going to go away if Obama is elected. There is a growing faction in this country that is now aware of this story, and they are going to continue to push for the birth certificate to be released if their candidate of choice loses the election. They are going to make every attempt to discredit Obama. And as our economic and social fabric deteriorates, the hunt for a scapegoat will begin. The honeymoon with Obama will not last long in our current environment. He will be on the defensive. And so sooner or later the question is going to be raised: “If Berg or any average citizen does not have standing to bring this suit, then who does?”

One way or another, Obama will eventually have to confront this controversy. He won’t be able to avoid it with the “standing” defense forever. If the facts are in his favor, then he should dispel the controversy now. If the facts are not in his favor, then he is only delaying the inevitable and creating a potential constitutional crisis and a major embarrassment for Democrats. All in all, the way in which this has been handled seems quite irresponsible to me.

[partypup]

“John-What I find interesting is the prior judges ruling. “Lack of standing”:
Standing is founded “in concern about the proper–and properly limited–role of the courts in a democratic society. It had nothing to do with the evidence.”

Speaking as a lawyer, I can tell you that having a case dismissed based on lack of standing is akin to escaping based on the biggest technicality available. The merits of the case weren’t addressed in the least. In other words, the court in essence said, “We have no interest in determining whether Obama is or isn’t a natural born citizen because the plaintiff isn’t the person or entity who has the right to ask that question.”

Curiously, two suits were also brought against McCain for lack of citizenship eligibility. In McCain’s case however, at least one of the suits was dismissed based on lack of standing AND the merits. The judge examined the plaintiff’s argument and, as a matter of law, determined that McCain’s birth on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone did not affect his eligibility to be president. McCain has also produced his birth certificate.

That’s not the case with Obama. All efforts are being made to avoid producing his birth certificate, even if technicalities must be relied upon to avoid production. It’s odd, to say the least.

My concern is that this issue is not going to go away if Obama is elected. There is a growing faction in this country that is now aware of this story, and they are going to continue to push for the birth certificate to be released if their candidate of choice loses the election. They are going to make every attempt to discredit Obama. And as our economic and social fabric deteriorates, the hunt for a scapegoat will begin. The honeymoon with Obama will not last long in our current environment. He will be on the defensive. And so sooner or later the question is going to be raised: “If Berg or any average citizen does not have standing to bring this suit, then who does?”

One way or another, Obama will eventually have to confront this controversy. He won’t be able to avoid it with the “standing” defense forever. If the facts are in his favor, then he should dispel the controversy now. If the facts are not in his favor, then he is only delaying the inevitable and creating a potential constitutional crisis and a major embarrassment for Democrats. All in all, the way in which this has been handled seems quite irresponsible to me.

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