[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico][quote=outtamojo]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram%5B/quote%5D

I don’t understand what you are saying, Mojo.

You just don’t like the effects of drinking so you can’t really be at risk for destructive drinking? … Or you are an alcoholic, and a pill that makes people who enjoy drinking ,but are not problem drinkers sick, proves that there is a genetic link to “alcoholism”?

The study the first link seems to have serious cause and effect logic problems. A “stay sober” pill proves nothing, even if it works, because it works on everyone.

Antabuse has been around for a long time. It has the ingredient mentioned in your study.

Now we have this,Naltrexone, for treatment of Anorexia and Bulimia.I won’t say these things are not useful tool for some problems(though I doubt it). Does the advent and institutionalizing of a pill prove the genetic predisposition to bulimia and anorexia? It proves to me that someone is making money, or trying to, off a pill for everything.

Problem drinking, Bulimia, Anorexia are “mistakes” not diseases. People make and often make them all the way to the grave.People laugh at this “mistake” idea, I know, because asking onself why they can’t quit making the mistake is something they won’t or can’t do. If the excessive drinker can’t admit it is a mistake while young,like many of us have, it may be impossible to correct or may be nearly impossible to correct, other than by total abstinence.It is an established Pavlovian effect, so to speak, not a genetic one.[/quote]

Ok, I wil try to be more clear- some folks, like myself, have a mutant gene that does not allow us to break down alcohol in the normal manner. Before we get a buzz, we get ill, so we never get to the buzz stage and so alcohol is not enjoyable at all. A lot of us are conditioned to associate alcohol with fun, so while everyone else is buzzed up, we are ill and wondering what the big deal is until we learn why. This ill effect before we get buzzed results in a much lower rate of alcoholism than those with the normal gene. It is not a matter of “not liking” the effect unless you are someone that likes a punch in the face. Yes, many normal drinkers drink too much and throw up and get hangovers but those with the aldehyde dehydrogenase
mutation never even reach the stage that makes you want more.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico][quote=outtamojo]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram%5B/quote%5D

I don’t understand what you are saying, Mojo.

You just don’t like the effects of drinking so you can’t really be at risk for destructive drinking? … Or you are an alcoholic, and a pill that makes people who enjoy drinking ,but are not problem drinkers sick, proves that there is a genetic link to “alcoholism”?

The study the first link seems to have serious cause and effect logic problems. A “stay sober” pill proves nothing, even if it works, because it works on everyone.

Antabuse has been around for a long time. It has the ingredient mentioned in your study.

Now we have this,Naltrexone, for treatment of Anorexia and Bulimia.I won’t say these things are not useful tool for some problems(though I doubt it). Does the advent and institutionalizing of a pill prove the genetic predisposition to bulimia and anorexia? It proves to me that someone is making money, or trying to, off a pill for everything.

Problem drinking, Bulimia, Anorexia are “mistakes” not diseases. People make and often make them all the way to the grave.People laugh at this “mistake” idea, I know, because asking onself why they can’t quit making the mistake is something they won’t or can’t do. If the excessive drinker can’t admit it is a mistake while young,like many of us have, it may be impossible to correct or may be nearly impossible to correct, other than by total abstinence.It is an established Pavlovian effect, so to speak, not a genetic one.[/quote]

Ok, I wil try to be more clear- some folks, like myself, have a mutant gene that does not allow us to break down alcohol in the normal manner. Before we get a buzz, we get ill, so we never get to the buzz stage and so alcohol is not enjoyable at all. A lot of us are conditioned to associate alcohol with fun, so while everyone else is buzzed up, we are ill and wondering what the big deal is until we learn why. This ill effect before we get buzzed results in a much lower rate of alcoholism than those with the normal gene. It is not a matter of “not liking” the effect unless you are someone that likes a punch in the face. Yes, many normal drinkers drink too much and throw up and get hangovers but those with the aldehyde dehydrogenase
mutation never even reach the stage that makes you want more.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico][quote=outtamojo]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram%5B/quote%5D

I don’t understand what you are saying, Mojo.

You just don’t like the effects of drinking so you can’t really be at risk for destructive drinking? … Or you are an alcoholic, and a pill that makes people who enjoy drinking ,but are not problem drinkers sick, proves that there is a genetic link to “alcoholism”?

The study the first link seems to have serious cause and effect logic problems. A “stay sober” pill proves nothing, even if it works, because it works on everyone.

Antabuse has been around for a long time. It has the ingredient mentioned in your study.

Now we have this,Naltrexone, for treatment of Anorexia and Bulimia.I won’t say these things are not useful tool for some problems(though I doubt it). Does the advent and institutionalizing of a pill prove the genetic predisposition to bulimia and anorexia? It proves to me that someone is making money, or trying to, off a pill for everything.

Problem drinking, Bulimia, Anorexia are “mistakes” not diseases. People make and often make them all the way to the grave.People laugh at this “mistake” idea, I know, because asking onself why they can’t quit making the mistake is something they won’t or can’t do. If the excessive drinker can’t admit it is a mistake while young,like many of us have, it may be impossible to correct or may be nearly impossible to correct, other than by total abstinence.It is an established Pavlovian effect, so to speak, not a genetic one.[/quote]

Ok, I wil try to be more clear- some folks, like myself, have a mutant gene that does not allow us to break down alcohol in the normal manner. Before we get a buzz, we get ill, so we never get to the buzz stage and so alcohol is not enjoyable at all. A lot of us are conditioned to associate alcohol with fun, so while everyone else is buzzed up, we are ill and wondering what the big deal is until we learn why. This ill effect before we get buzzed results in a much lower rate of alcoholism than those with the normal gene. It is not a matter of “not liking” the effect unless you are someone that likes a punch in the face. Yes, many normal drinkers drink too much and throw up and get hangovers but those with the aldehyde dehydrogenase
mutation never even reach the stage that makes you want more.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico][quote=outtamojo]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram%5B/quote%5D

I don’t understand what you are saying, Mojo.

You just don’t like the effects of drinking so you can’t really be at risk for destructive drinking? … Or you are an alcoholic, and a pill that makes people who enjoy drinking ,but are not problem drinkers sick, proves that there is a genetic link to “alcoholism”?

The study the first link seems to have serious cause and effect logic problems. A “stay sober” pill proves nothing, even if it works, because it works on everyone.

Antabuse has been around for a long time. It has the ingredient mentioned in your study.

Now we have this,Naltrexone, for treatment of Anorexia and Bulimia.I won’t say these things are not useful tool for some problems(though I doubt it). Does the advent and institutionalizing of a pill prove the genetic predisposition to bulimia and anorexia? It proves to me that someone is making money, or trying to, off a pill for everything.

Problem drinking, Bulimia, Anorexia are “mistakes” not diseases. People make and often make them all the way to the grave.People laugh at this “mistake” idea, I know, because asking onself why they can’t quit making the mistake is something they won’t or can’t do. If the excessive drinker can’t admit it is a mistake while young,like many of us have, it may be impossible to correct or may be nearly impossible to correct, other than by total abstinence.It is an established Pavlovian effect, so to speak, not a genetic one.[/quote]

Ok, I wil try to be more clear- some folks, like myself, have a mutant gene that does not allow us to break down alcohol in the normal manner. Before we get a buzz, we get ill, so we never get to the buzz stage and so alcohol is not enjoyable at all. A lot of us are conditioned to associate alcohol with fun, so while everyone else is buzzed up, we are ill and wondering what the big deal is until we learn why. This ill effect before we get buzzed results in a much lower rate of alcoholism than those with the normal gene. It is not a matter of “not liking” the effect unless you are someone that likes a punch in the face. Yes, many normal drinkers drink too much and throw up and get hangovers but those with the aldehyde dehydrogenase
mutation never even reach the stage that makes you want more.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico][quote=outtamojo]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram%5B/quote%5D

I don’t understand what you are saying, Mojo.

You just don’t like the effects of drinking so you can’t really be at risk for destructive drinking? … Or you are an alcoholic, and a pill that makes people who enjoy drinking ,but are not problem drinkers sick, proves that there is a genetic link to “alcoholism”?

The study the first link seems to have serious cause and effect logic problems. A “stay sober” pill proves nothing, even if it works, because it works on everyone.

Antabuse has been around for a long time. It has the ingredient mentioned in your study.

Now we have this,Naltrexone, for treatment of Anorexia and Bulimia.I won’t say these things are not useful tool for some problems(though I doubt it). Does the advent and institutionalizing of a pill prove the genetic predisposition to bulimia and anorexia? It proves to me that someone is making money, or trying to, off a pill for everything.

Problem drinking, Bulimia, Anorexia are “mistakes” not diseases. People make and often make them all the way to the grave.People laugh at this “mistake” idea, I know, because asking onself why they can’t quit making the mistake is something they won’t or can’t do. If the excessive drinker can’t admit it is a mistake while young,like many of us have, it may be impossible to correct or may be nearly impossible to correct, other than by total abstinence.It is an established Pavlovian effect, so to speak, not a genetic one.[/quote]

Ok, I wil try to be more clear- some folks, like myself, have a mutant gene that does not allow us to break down alcohol in the normal manner. Before we get a buzz, we get ill, so we never get to the buzz stage and so alcohol is not enjoyable at all. A lot of us are conditioned to associate alcohol with fun, so while everyone else is buzzed up, we are ill and wondering what the big deal is until we learn why. This ill effect before we get buzzed results in a much lower rate of alcoholism than those with the normal gene. It is not a matter of “not liking” the effect unless you are someone that likes a punch in the face. Yes, many normal drinkers drink too much and throw up and get hangovers but those with the aldehyde dehydrogenase
mutation never even reach the stage that makes you want more.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]Ok…Talking about U.S. markets this morning….

Dow is down almost 300 points at 6:35 am right now ….

buy buy buy buy buy buy buy…

It(almost) doesn’t matter what….

100 bucks says oil is going lower… No one seems to care about Libya anymore….[/quote]

Opened up a small position in perennial loser LTBR,
a thorium play. Somebody’s bound to mention thorium as an alternative to uranium and the it’s gonna be a sell on the 3rd day spike.[/quote]

I out now +20% in one day too good to pass up – may buy again lower.

[outtamojo]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]Ok…Talking about U.S. markets this morning….

Dow is down almost 300 points at 6:35 am right now ….

buy buy buy buy buy buy buy…

It(almost) doesn’t matter what….

100 bucks says oil is going lower… No one seems to care about Libya anymore….[/quote]

Opened up a small position in perennial loser LTBR,
a thorium play. Somebody’s bound to mention thorium as an alternative to uranium and the it’s gonna be a sell on the 3rd day spike.[/quote]

I out now +20% in one day too good to pass up – may buy again lower.

[outtamojo]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]Ok…Talking about U.S. markets this morning….

Dow is down almost 300 points at 6:35 am right now ….

buy buy buy buy buy buy buy…

It(almost) doesn’t matter what….

100 bucks says oil is going lower… No one seems to care about Libya anymore….[/quote]

Opened up a small position in perennial loser LTBR,
a thorium play. Somebody’s bound to mention thorium as an alternative to uranium and the it’s gonna be a sell on the 3rd day spike.[/quote]

I out now +20% in one day too good to pass up – may buy again lower.

[outtamojo]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]Ok…Talking about U.S. markets this morning….

Dow is down almost 300 points at 6:35 am right now ….

buy buy buy buy buy buy buy…

It(almost) doesn’t matter what….

100 bucks says oil is going lower… No one seems to care about Libya anymore….[/quote]

Opened up a small position in perennial loser LTBR,
a thorium play. Somebody’s bound to mention thorium as an alternative to uranium and the it’s gonna be a sell on the 3rd day spike.[/quote]

I out now +20% in one day too good to pass up – may buy again lower.

[outtamojo]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=flu]Ok…Talking about U.S. markets this morning….

Dow is down almost 300 points at 6:35 am right now ….

buy buy buy buy buy buy buy…

It(almost) doesn’t matter what….

100 bucks says oil is going lower… No one seems to care about Libya anymore….[/quote]

Opened up a small position in perennial loser LTBR,
a thorium play. Somebody’s bound to mention thorium as an alternative to uranium and the it’s gonna be a sell on the 3rd day spike.[/quote]

I out now +20% in one day too good to pass up – may buy again lower.

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