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outtamojo
ParticipantBen vs Caesar, now that would be epic.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=outtamojo]Yeah but to lay off people because they aren’t worth their pay means at some point someone did feel they were worth their pay and the decisionmakers were wrong to think that. The people who were wrong need to pay the price for their error – as a shareholder/owner that is what I demand and I see too often only the rank and file suffering.[/quote]
You are assuming that business needs are static… They are not.
At one time thousand of people were employeed to build ICBMs… THe business need has changed. Is that the C-Levels fault?
Let’s look at it a different way. Your claim that CEO made a bad decision and needs to pay for their error is also incorrect. Those employees were given a job and paid for their time and efforts. Perhaps that is a job they would have not had at all. That actually seems like an error in favor of the employee and not the CEO as they are usually performance based compensations.
As far as your comment that it is the Rank and File that suffers… Maybe that’s true…
But anyone that feels that way is assuming that they are entitled to their job…
There are no guarntees in life and no one should ever position themselves to be wholely dependent on one thing.
CE
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I should have read the rest of this thread before posting now realizing that ppl have rebuted the same points over again. Sorry for the redundancy.[/quote]
What about the CEO who over-expanded his community hospital and bought overpriced commercial properties during the bubble and then had to slash and diveste who was still being rewarded with bonuses as he was doing so?
Yes those who lost their jobs were paid for a while but his empire building clearly hurt the hospital itself and after he finally abruptly resigned the board looked at selling us off to a stronger partner. Actually he didn’t abruptly resign, he did it after the Unions fought a media war with him over all his bonuses and special retirement packages he was receiving as he cut services via layoffs. Some were saying he deserves the extra pay for doing a necessary dirty job.
We on this blog otoh saw all the economic distress coming and would have hunkered down instead of expanding : )
I don’t view your post is redundant BTW.Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=outtamojo]Oh gosh, please don’t get me started about HR depts- seems like all they do is mislead and deflect until the Unions call their bluff. I work in a non-Unionized dept. but I am always grateful to freeride the representation other dept’s pay for. Weird, I find as I grow older I grow less anti Union.[/quote]
Older and wiser… :)[/quote]
Who knows… if things start going to hell in a handbasket I may start a union campaign myself : )
ParticipantOh gosh, please don’t get me started about HR depts- seems like all they do is mislead and deflect until the Unions call their bluff. I work in a non-Unionized dept. but I am always grateful to freeride the representation other dept’s pay for. Weird, I find as I grow older I grow less anti Union.
ParticipantYeah but to lay off people because they aren’t worth their pay means at some point someone did feel they were worth their pay and the decisionmakers were wrong to think that. The people who were wrong need to pay the price for their error – as a shareholder/owner that is what I demand and I see too often only the rank and file suffering.
ParticipantWhen a division/department is no longer needed and is not of strategic importance what would those workers do? IOW, how would their continued presence benefit the company? I suppose they could offer jobs elsewhere within the company and retrain and keep the better employees but that brings on a whole new set of questions.
I do believe there should be some shared suffering between the executives and the rank and file though when there are layoffs -a failed endeavor is after all a reflection on management also and they should not be getting bonuses while the underlings get slashed. All imo of course.Participant[quote=flu]Nina Pham is cured… That’s good news.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/ebola-nurse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Also Vinson seems to be almost there too…
Good news.[/quote]
Yes, very good news. Less frightening to know that 1rst world medical care can make this level of virus less of a death sentence.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Who exactly is “they”?
We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.
It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.[/quote]
Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.
ParticipantI would be comforted if they can manage to treat the NY doctor w/out infecting any other healthcare workers.
Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=zk][quote=outtamojo]According to Yahoo article, nurse who caught it knew full well she was treating Ebola patient and was wearing the full protective outfit.
I work in healthcare and I knew all along how these bulletins and special protocols work. They send you emails and maybe let you put on the gear a few times and then make you sign a piece of paper saying you were trained but nothing preps you for the real thing. There is only one good teacher and that is experience, which we dont have in good supply.
They will try to blame it on the poor
worker but in my view the pencil pushers as they always do failed to take into account the practical aspect of a learning curve.
They need to set up a team able to travel to care for stateside Ebola patients so they can get the necessary experience. They need to set up rooms for the team to live so they self quarantine.
The range in talent between the best and the worst healthcare workers is such that if you send in the worst you are just sending them in to die.
Hug your healthcare worker today for they risk their own lives and that of their families everyday.[/quote]Good points and good ideas, mojo. I like the traveling team idea.
I imagine that the story of the Texas healthcare worker will be similar to the Spain healthcare worker. Made a small mistake and paid for it tragically. Not to put the blame on her. Like you said, without experience in dealing with these things, it would be very difficult to make zero mistakes.[/quote]
A care team from the military sounds ideal – they are already on duty and I bet they get way more training than your average hospital worker.
http://www.naturalnews.com/047226_Ebola_outbreak_Dallas_health_care_worker.html
That Frieden guy needs to resign.[/quote]They are reading my posts 🙂
“Military Preps Ebola team…http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/us-ebola/index.html?c=us
ParticipantYes it can, but it is not done as a general practice. (Although we give type A
packed red blood cells to type AB patients all the time. This is because most of the plasma is removed from packed rbc’s.)ParticipantWhole blood contains red cells and plasma.
Whole blood is rarely used for transfusion these days.Participant[quote=flu]….So it turns out Dr. Brantly’s blood type is A+……
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dr-kent-brantly-donate-blood-thomas-eric-duncan/story?id=26226388
So I guess the only people that wouldn’t be able to get any sort of transfusion (whether it’s whole blood or just plasma) is blood type B…..
which is what was Duncan’s blood type.[/quote]
Type A plasma has anti B antibodies so type AB is also not compatible with type A plasma.
Again, incompatible plasma in small amounts can be safely transfused so compatability should not really be an impediment given risk/reward.If you regularly receive platelet transfusions it is likely that at some time you received a type that was not the same as your own with incompatible plasma.Participant3D printing stocks have been on fire!
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