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Participant[quote=walterwhite]I’m not sure there are local laws requiring hospitals to treat emergency cases. Maybe there are.
Doctors have independent ethical duties.
Certainly seems like a fertile ground for lawsuits when hospitals let corpses start to pile up at the emergency room door while the doctors are inside busily doing nose jobs.[/quote]
Certainly. Although one can argue the constitution does not guarantee health care. And if the individual mandate is thrown out, then the government can’t force doctors to save lives instead of working on nose jobs.
Recently a lower court just used the “corporation are people” argument in the tobacco companies’ favor. Ruling that it is against the tobacco companies’ freedom of speech to force them to place labels that warn people of cancer risks.
That carried forward, then hospitals are people too, and the government can not force someone to save someone’s life when that person has no ability to pay.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Of course, ocrenter, you’re very right and reasonable.
Sometimes I like to push the envelope of the absurd.
Good piece in WaPo on the point you made about insurance:
An essential element of the Republican strategy these days is that, whenever confronted with an obvious failure of the free market, the correct response is always to try to turn the tables and blame it on misguided government policy. So it was this week when the solicitor general and several justices tried to make the obvious point that one reason so many Americans lack health insurance is that the market is inherently unlike any other in that we don’t deny medical care to sick people who can’t pay for it. It is from this anomaly that springs the “individual mandate,” a requirement that all citizens buy health insurance, to prevent them from becoming free-riders on a system paid for by others.
Rather than wrestling with this obvious anomaly, however, Scalia and Alito simply gave it the old Republican razzmatazz, blaming the government for creating the problem in the first place by obligating hospitals to treat the sick even if they are uninsured and cannot pay for the care. It was the kind of sophomoric logic you’d expect from high school debaters — or a Republican presidential candidate at a tea party rally — not from members of the highest court in the richest country on Earth.
Michael Carvin, the lawyer representing the NFIB, was clever enough to see that this was not going to be a winning constitutional argument. The proper constitutional solution to that dilemma, he explained, was not to shut the emergency room door on the uninsured, but simply require them to buy insurance when they show up seeking emergency care.
Ah, I get it! An insurance market in which nobody has to sign up for coverage until they’re ready to make a claim. Why didn’t Aetna and Kaiser think of that? And if it works for health insurance, why not extend it to fire, auto and flood insurance as well? Scalia and Alito, of course, wasted no time in taking up this brilliant idea.
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Personally, I would say this: if the individual mandate is thrown out, it is the federal governments responsibility to challenge all of the laws local and state that guarantee the right to be treated regardless of ability to pay and allow this country to let people die on the streets.
I really am ok with that and the government should make it clear that would be their strategy moving forward.
Btw, the individual mandate has always been a Republican idea, period.
ParticipantBrian, you need to stop defending yourself for the very unfortunate use of the term leech. It was wrong, insensitive, and frankly very hurtful to any one that’s ever been sick, or has love ones with a major illness.
Plus it is just not true.
If you look at flu, he is in the category known in medicine as a true underutilizer. (Asian men in general do not seek care needlessly, they as a group have the least somatic complaints.) yet all underutilizers (including you, Brian) have a potential to get sick and become a utilizer. And that’s why we have insurance.
The argument FOR the mandate is simple.
If we as a country and as a society have laws and expectations that anyone sick or dying (utilizer) will not be turned away. And all underutilizers may potentially become a utilizer at any given moment of time. Then ALL (regardless of utilizing status) should be mandated to have insurance because we ALL may potentially utilize the health care system.
If we don’t want the mandate, then we as a country and society need to move away from the laws and expectations that all sick and dying should be treated.
The best example here is China. It is the ultimate in the capitalist model. health care is available purely by cash. You do not have enough cash, you WILL be turned away even while you are clinching your chest or if you are bleeding nonstop. And if you only have partial cash, expect the care to be partial as well. (like the woman who didn’t have enough to give to her obgyn, and her vagina was sutured closed until she came up with the money).
We absolutely can’t have it both ways, that leads to bankruptcy, as we are clearly well on our way.
April 1, 2012 at 8:29 AM in reply to: OT – Who will run for President on the Republican side? #740948ParticipantAll this time I thought santorum was running a faith based campaign.
Turns out it is actually Dr Paul!
ParticipantOf course black on black crime is pervasive and awful.
But what does that have to do with the issue at hand???
We are talking about a case where a human being shot another human being, the cops know who the killer is, but let him walk.
Allan, how many cases of black on black murders do you know where the cops had the killer, the killer simply says “I was defending myself,” and the cop goes, “good job, you can go home.”
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=briansd1]
Zimmerman is White. If you know Hispanic culture, you would understand. There are difference shades of Hispanics and a long history too.
[/quote]If Zimmerman is White, then so is Obama.[/quote]
Zimmerman’s race has nothing to do with this. He could have even been black.
The point here is if you are a black guy walking in the neighborhood, the presumption is you are up to no good until proven otherwise.
The police and everyone else already have that presumption, so when someone shot him, it had to be in self defense, there was no other possible scenario. that is how ingrained and pervasive the racial attitude is.
Participant[quote=svelte]This is not a clear cut case.
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So if this was not a clear cut case, why did the police act like it was.
In the eyes of the police, we had a black teenager in a gated community. That’s already “wrong type of guy in the wrong type of place.”
Zimmerman was the “guy protecting his home” against a “wrong type of guy in the wrong type of place.”
Therefore, Martin getting shot seemed very clear cut to the police.
For a Southern white policeman, Martin deserved to get shot, that was extremely clear. thus Zimmerman was released and not charged. Why would he be charged???
Participant[quote=AN][quote=sdrealtor]Just ran some preliminary numbers. Looks like inventory is starting to fall even faster.[/quote]
It’s already the end of March and inventory is actually decreasing. Spring will be very interesting to watch. For MM, where there are 23k households and a population of 74k, there are currently only 95 SFR and 60 condos for sale. That includes contingent listings.[/quote]That seem to be the trend in the entire 56 corridor region. new listings in my neighborhood are going pending ASAP. Buyers seem to be ignoring the old listings, however.
Participant[quote=paramount]I’m not sure what to believe at this point; it’s been over a month since the incident. I think as time passed ‘facts’ have become distorted.[/quote]
The facts are all there. Zimmerman was trailing the kid on the 911 tape. That is evidence this was not a “stand your ground” defense.
There was no physical sign of harm on Zimmerman on the police tape. Refuting his claim he was bloodied by Martin.
The coroner report on Martin did not indicate any physical altercation took place.
An African American’s life is intrinsically worth less in this country, that is a fact. Especially in the South. I have friends that grew up in the South. They tell me racism is so intrenched and ingrained into the culture and so deeply woven into the society that there is no hope for equality there except in name.
What the police did does not surprise me, at all.
Participant[quote=blake]Here’s a leech:
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What happened next is starkly summarized in a 1995 letter sent to Premera Blue Cross by a woman in Eastern Washington.A few months before she gave birth that year, the woman bought an individual policy from Premera. As soon as the insurer paid her hospital expenses, the woman canceled the policy, telling Premera “we will do business with you again when we are pregnant.”
True to her word, in 1996, she bought insurance, Premera said, once again canceling after the insurer paid for the delivery of her next child.
Altogether, she paid in $1,807 in premiums. Premera paid out $7,024.68 in medical bills.
You don’t have to be a business genius to recognize the problem with those numbers when multiplied by thousands of customers.
Claims went up. Premiums rose. Pretty soon only sick people thought insurance was worth the cost. Premiums rose even more.
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Why Washington state’s health reform faltered after loss of mandates[/quote]
Not surprising at all. People are intrinsically selfish. They will always look out for number one first. If left up to the individual, we would all not have car insurance and simply call All State or Farmers to sign up after a collision.
A San Diego city retiree once bragged to me that when she goes to the doctor, she always demands branded medications. When I simply suggested why not try equivalent generics and maybe save fellow taxpayers some money, she said she earned the rights to use branded medications working for the city. A LA Unified retiree had the same sentiment in a different convo. again, as long as I benefit, screw the rest of y’all.
ParticipantIt is the South.
This is expected.
Participant[quote=briansd1]flu, please don’t take it personally.
It’s common parlance to describe the very nature of insurance.
With health insurance, you have the leeches (those with chronic diseases, cancer, families with kids who use maternity services, etc…) and the golden geese, like me, who never go to the doctor’s.
In fact, I have a little pink rash on my face that won’t go away. I don’t want to go see the doctor who will just tell me to use a hydrocortisone cream. Anyway, hope it’s not the beginning stage of chronic exzema that will forever mar my good looks. ;)[/quote]
brian, your original post was quite offensive. I think flu’s response was quite justified.
that said, I think the tax is not that unreasonable. I wouldn’t mind paying it. but would also like to see the likes of Romney pay my tax rate on his capital gains earnings.
ParticipantI’m still not convinced.
As long as there’s land and as long as we do not see Asian style population density, i just don’t see the end of suburbs.
Personally I do think overall it is better for the earth to be in a crowded city environment. Better for ones health too as there will be more reliance on walking. But I doubt that’s going to happen any time soon.
Especially with the way SD is structured and the way people are telecommuting. The survey on commute was very telling, Almost 75% had commutes less than 20 minutes. And I don’t think piggs are all concentrated in the core of the city. Rather a huge reason is the telecommuting and the proximity of high tech jobs in the suburbs.
Participant[quote=Navydoc]
Did all this myself with material from Lowes. The bar has a fridge and a freezer under the counter. Really going to miss this place.[/quote]that’s nice. I see there’s some element of softer touch to appease the wife as well.
so the truth is out, we now know the real reason why you need the “extra sqft” stonebridge offers. =)
and just for all future man-cave projects, Lowes will be opening a brand new store in Poway.
http://poway.patch.com/articles/lowe-s-trims-new-store-openings-but-poway-city-manager-not-alarmed
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