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[quote=AN][quote=flu]I would be curious what kind of cars are the offenders. I’d say BMW drivers are the worst[/quote]
Guys driving BMW? :-D[/quote]

Uh, hands down Porsche drivers, minus the Cayenne crowd.

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[quote=flyer]You’re probably right AN, but accidents are so random, that you might not be able to make that choice.

Also, outward appearances can be deceiving. Sometimes people who “appear” to be wealthy, or well-insured really aren’t, and, unfortunately, in the case of an accident, you won’t know that until after the fact.

Guess that’s why we try to avoid these situations as much as possible by trying to be extra vigilent.[/quote]

But at lot of time the stereotype is spot on. That 85 Toyota Tercel holding up traffice by driving right at the speed limit? 9 time out of 10 the driver has no insurance and probably doesn’t have a drivers license.

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I loved how for the whole day the Fair and Balanced FOX news had a neat “obamaTAX” corner graphic on.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=ocrenter]
We need something a whole lot more pragmatic than deporting American grown kids because they were “cutting”. That’s just plain stupid.
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That’s the problem. We do it, and it sets the expectation of just come and hide long enough for your kids to be ‘american’ grown.

How long is that? How young is it?

Do they need to come under the age of 1? 2? 3? 5? 10?

How long do they need to be here? Already 18? Successful in school, no run ins with the law?
Or will it be they’re over 14?
Or 10?
Or 5?

And how many other issues be we bring by encouraging millions to live in the shadows so their children will be ‘american’ grown?

That’s why need a draconian policy and then grant ayslum for the ‘countryless’ american grown children.

We need the policy first, then the asylum. Asylum first, brings a repeat.

For every kid like Ana in the prior article what other negatives are we getting in the basket of illegal immigration?

For every Ana, is encouraging their families to stay and keep Ana here bringing others with one kid that will drop out and become a gangbanger? 1/10th? 1/100th?

It will take 100 Anas to counter the costs we incur for one additional gangbanger.

It isnt even gang members. Ana represents what success rate? I look at LAUSD and they have a 1/3 drop out rate. If Ana is 1 in 100 achieving like that, even 1 in 10 achieving like that, we 3 drop outs. At 1 in 100 it’s 30 drop outs.

What’s the cost to our society of facilitating 30 more drop outs?

And no, I’m not blaming their community for the gang problem or the school failure problem, however it’s not making it better and the additional costs are real.[/quote]

That is why Obama shored up the enforcement aspect first. By tightening up enforcement, you significantly reduce the flow of illegals. But then you still have a bunch of American grown illegals you have to generate a policy on. Especially the productive ones that are doing well. The drop outs will not be taken care of by the dream act nor obama’s new policy. They can continue to face deportation, which again has reached the highest level ever.

You tighten up the illegal stream and you open up the legal channels, but do it at the same time.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]
there’s a whole lot more native borns sucking this country dry. You’ve been listening to talk radio wayyyy too much.[/quote]

Actually, immigrants provide a great portion of the growth in this country.

For example in 2000, 36% of the New York City’s population was foreign born (problably more now). NYC is one of the richest, most dynamic city in the world.

Immigrants open shops, restaurants and small business the revilatize blighted areas.

And as the United States looks at ways to jump start the economy, groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Fiscal Policy Institute point to immigrant entrepreneurs as critical contributors. Many move here legally and create new jobs, pay taxes and add to a neighborhood’s revitalization.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/video-making-it-in-america/13822/

Legalizing immigrants already in this country would unlock untold potential.[/quote]

We need something a whole lot more pragmatic than deporting American grown kids because they were “cutting”. That’s just plain stupid.

Obama is really one of the toughest administration when it comes to border enforcement, his numbers are actually slightly higher than Bush, and this is during a recession when there has been significant reduction in attempted illegal crossings.

After proving he is tough on border enforcement, he then go for the low hanging fruit, kids that were already educated here and have done well but came illegally.

That is as pragmatic and logical of a policy decision as anyone can make.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=ocrenter][quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?[/quote]

What we have today is the result of Reagan’s FAILED amnesty. It brought more illegals in waiting for just this move.

For every fluff piece the LA Times writes highlighting an illegal that has done well, how many haven’t? How many went to jail? How many were burdens on our health care system? How many fester in sweat shops? How many flood our schools?

Kick them all out, then welcome the Americanos back. Until you kick them all out, we are just going to increase the problem. The price of every kid like Ana being welcomed is the price of her remaining illegal family members (Mom now appears legal) leaving until they come back LEGALLY.

In the mean time, we need to make it massively EASIER for people without criminal and terrorist backgrounds, good education and work ethic to come. Illegal immigration is like a basket of apples. For every shiny apple liek Ana in the story, how much rot is underneath?

We need to make it easier to come and work without skills and leave and come back. Legally without legal citizen rights as part of a work program that puts the burden for funding, health care etc on the employers.

We need maximum enforcement on illegal labor EMPLOYERs. When the CEOs and OWNERs start going to jail, the demand for the illegal labor will go away. No jobs, no new people coming. No expectation that they can just stay, no new people coming.

All this move does is pander to the latino vote and encourage more people to come and be abused for 20 years while they wait for a political pandering moment.

So yes, OCR, we need to be really harsh, because until we are, we just create more of the problem by setting the expectation that we’ll just accept it later.

And maybe we can add that $130,000 price tag for her 13 years of education to the price of staying.[/quote]

Good thing you weren’t in charge 20 years ago when I was in school.

Now I’ve been paying $50k or more in taxes yearly for the last 10 years, still would have rather just deported my ass back in the days?

there’s a whole lot more native borns sucking this country dry. You’ve been listening to talk radio wayyyy too much.

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[quote=no_such_reality]All those millions following the rules, paying thir fees, waiting in line look like such chumps[/quote]

So you are proposing rounding up a kid going to college that speaks no Spanish because he or she came here at age 3, who has never left the States since age of 3 because of the illegal status, and dumping him or her off on the other side of San Ysidro?

Is that the idea?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1]ocrenter, it seems to me like Romney is being much more of a political opportunist.

Whereas Obama’s position has been fairly consistent on the Dream Act, Romney is flip flopping.

Without gaining an increasing portion of the Latino vote, Republicans will forever be denied the White House.

Demographics is destiny. You either embrace change gracefully; or you will be forced to accept it kicking and screaming.

Romney calls for loosening some immigration restrictions, but opposes Obama action on deportations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/speech-to-latino-leaders-could-be-pivotal-for-romney–and-gop/2012/06/21/gJQATmNIsV_story.html?hpid=z1

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I’m going to have to go with Brian on this one. If this was supposed to be opportunistic on Obama’s part, then it was clearly a mis-step.

Sean Trende at RCP has an even-handed analysis of the Obama decision and its impact on voting: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/06/19/obamas_puzzling_immigration_decision_114531.html%5B/quote%5D

Problem with Obama this time around is the democratic base is rather lukewarm because Obama has been more of a moderate than a true liberal. So he needed something to rally the troop to improve turnout.

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UT reads like a good solid military history book these days.

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[quote=AN][quote=flu]AN, these homes end up sitting in CV are worth $800k. And it’s been proven… Can you say Carriage Run?

Careful AN… You’re posts are starting to exceed the 500 character/4 paragraph limit :)[/quote]
500+ characters with a lot of abbreviations and numbers? Damn, I suck at getting my point across succinctly.

Update: You scared me for a bit there. I cut and paste it Word and it says my post is <390 words :-P[/quote]

Perhaps consider CAPITALIZING and bold various parts of that 390 words. 😉

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[quote=bpnbpn]It is funny, I asked the question on which school the kids will go in the Pardee’s facebook page. I also mocked saying “I hope it is not mira mesa school”. They deleted my messages :)[/quote]

They actually deleted your comments? That is funny.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Yes that is nearly optimal. Just substitute the tents with easy-up canopies to avoid having walls and you should be OK. Please dont forget to bring a bucket to taking care of any plumbing requirements. Yes…now we have reached the optimal solution!

Time to head to the beach myself.

Happy Fathers Day all!![/quote]

just make sure you do not put up the tents or canopies near the bank of the San Diego River. It is a major flood zone from what I’ve been told.

Oh the mighty San Diego River, only second in its devastation compared to the Mississippi…

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[quote=spdrun]If not drywall, what are they using? I’d assume that lath-and-plaster or wooden wainscoting would be too laborious for tract construction.[/quote]

folks in the area are looking into hempcrete.

sorry, we are just really beating the *bleep* out of the “MM has no walls” horse.

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[quote=spdrun]

migrant camps? do you mean the type of migrants from India, China, Korea, and Taiwan? and the camps, you meant those shanty town built by Pardee?

definitely a lot less migrants in Santee, true red white and blue blooded Americans live there.

I think that you don’t get sarcasm even when it pops you one on the jaw.[/quote]

😉

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[quote=sdrealtor]No Civita is bad! I have heard rumors of their plans for plumbing. Even worse they are planning to encase the plumbing in 2×4 studs and drywall. Some may consider these walls but I know better. I saw this happen in MM twenty nine years ago.[/quote]

you definitely do not want drywall if the property is subject to flood. remember the great Qualcomm Stadium flood of 2010? you have been forewarned!!!

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