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Participant[quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=flu]
I think you guys are missing the point. The analogy would be if you caught a bunch of squirrels or wild rabbits in your backyard, killed them, and took them to the local swap meet to sell them as food without any sort of inspection.[/quote]
If the current republican administration has its way, some of the responsibility for slaughterhouse food safety will be transferred to those who could save (make more) money by cutting corners. Which could be as (or more) dangerous than (obviously far more widespread than) selling wild squirrels at the market.
Efficient government is good. Slashing government in mindless pursuit of small government is not.[/quote]
really zk? Another political bent ? We are so far away from the (lack of ) food safety in China it’s not even close. not by a long mile.
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There’s a reason why some Chinese people here refuse to buy any food that was made in China or from China[/quote]
Agree. This is the main reason why they had the Shanghai Costco stampede.
Participant[quote=flu]I think we should temporarily ban travelers to and from China. For the safety of people in the US. It’s the right thing to do, and other countries are already thinking of doing similar things. This is potentially a public health crisis.
You know how people got this right? People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized. Just one more fxcked up thing to come out of China. It figures.[/quote]
Likely increased consumption of these wild animals after the CCP botched the handling of the swine flu epidemic, underreported the severity, which resulted in extreme price hike of pork.
This coronravirus outbreak started in December, but only came to light because of foreign cases.
What an absolute mess!
Participant[quote=flu]Vegan and noodles… I won’t eat noodles that aren’t made here in the U.S. I won’t touch any noodles imported…
You guys should watch this documentary. It’s not only truthful…but what’s in that documentary is an understatement.
Documentary from Al Jazeera. It’s worth watching the entire 1/2 hour. Especially starting at 5:55 and 24:50
Fake noodles, fake meat, fake flavor….
I stopped eating at most Chinese Restaurants because who knows who their supplier is.[/quote]
Agree.
It is in medicine as well. Losartan and Zantac both recently recalled due to tainted ingredients from China found to be cancer causing.
Participant[quote=DataAgent][quote=scaredyclassic]Well, electric cars on balance wont save the planet cause the electricity and the cars and the battery are dirty to produce.
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I charge my EV using the excess electricity my solar panels produce. Can’t get much cleaner electricity than that.[/quote]
I do agree with this. I do so myself.
Although I believe he is referring to relative impact. That vegetarianism has a bigger impact when compared to switch over from ICE to EV.
Participant[quote=burghMan]
Biden’s situation isn’t unusual at all. At worst it’s very mild and quite ordinary nepotism.[/quote]
That’s why politicians are so repulsive to the general public. If Dems run another regular politician, Trump will get his second term.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Then why the hostility and mockery of people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan? Otherwise be prepared to receive equal mockery in return.
Calling Vegans crazy is not nice. That fits in with the pattern of labeling stuff “crazy” that challenge mainstream culture — Vegans, AOC, treehugggers, etc…[/quote]
The hostility is because deep down we all know it is wrong to keep eating meat.
Who really “doesn’t know” clinically depressed pigs and cattles are raised in disease riddled crowded factory styled pens and that animals would not naturally grow in such environment, thus the overwhelming doses of antibiotics, growth hormones, and beta agonists to help the animals not only grow but add muscle.
People need to selectively block out such reality to enjoy their meat. Vegans and vegetarians just by existing are reminders to people the disturbing reality of how we get our meat. They don’t even need to say anything and people get angry. Because it means for that brief second that person needs to confront the reality that they have chose to ignore in order to keep enjoying meat. (This is why Tesla Sentry mode is catching so many people keying Teslas, because when everyone pollutes, it was ok, there’s no alternatives. But now that you drive your less polluting EV, I’m now pissed off because I now have to justify why I still drive something that’s contributing more to climate change)
Participant[quote=flu][quote=FlyerInHi]Isn’t it nice to have the government picking the winners and losers for you.
Wouldn’t that lead to structural inefficiency, then eventual collapse? Meaning an unsustainable system?[/quote]Why not? Didn’t Obama administration basically do the same thing with all that green energy funding and picking random companies for green energy grants….for example, picking loser companies like Solyndra that went under? Just how many green companies that the Obama administration gave grants to actually survived and are profitable?
(Crickets chirping)[/quote]
https://www.energy.gov/lpo/portfolio/portfolio-projects
Total of 5 companies that took the loans and folded. 4 companies fully paid off the loans, 20 companies still actively paying them off. That’s a failure rate of 17%. Assuming the energy loan program was a venture capital scheme, is a 17% failure rate too high or too low? (Serious question, I don’t know the answer)
Most of Red America still point to Tesla taking the loan as why they hate the company, due to the loans’ association with Obama. Yet Tesla took out .5 billion and repaid everything, but Ford took out $5.9 billion and still has a balance. But Tesla gets blamed for taking government handout but Ford remains the quintessential America’s car company.
Funny how perception works against reality.
ParticipantLet’s get away from Brian-centric discussion here, he basically swallows Chinese propaganda whole and just regurgitates verbatim.
Let’s get back to the topic at hand, Chinese economy.
Here’s a very timely interview regarding Chinese economic outlook:
The segment where he talks about the African Swine Flu was a good one. Especially in regard to the massive swine deaths across the country as the real reason for the decline in US corn/grain import. There’s almost zero report of the ASF epidemic here in the US, but its impact within China is massive. (Btw, full media blackout of the epidemic within China so lots of Chinese tourists getting massive fines when they travel to neighboring countries and get caught with pork products)
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I never said much about falung gong. I just think that it’s a US backed organization that is raising a lot of money in USA.
[/quote]How is the above statement any different than typical Chinese government propaganda?
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ocrenter][quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.[/quote]
Yeah, it is called Islam. Fighting fire with fire.[/quote]
Only some small segments of Islam. I don’t see Muslim missionaries all over American towns.
What if the USA were a poor country and missionaries from other religions and other countries were forced upon us in the name of freedom ofreligion? It would a sight to behold.[/quote]
I’m looking at throughout history. Islam’s quest for converting souls only 2nd to Christianity. It has definitely taken a backseat due to terrorism giving the religion a black eye. Christianity, backed by Christian nations’ relative prosperity to the rest of the world, continue to push their soul collecting strategy. Plus once a society is educated and prosperous, ardent followers drop off and finding new souls in less affluent societies become even more important.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.[/quote]
Yeah, it is called Islam. Fighting fire with fire.
Participant[quote=outtamojo]
Found this interesting
When Ancient Societies Hit a Million People, Vengeful Gods AppearedFascinating. Thank you for the link.
Participantjust like the various antidepressants, all religions are not created equal, some are more powerful and therefore with more side effects.
Monotheistic and intolerant religions are far more authoritarian in their doctrine and structure, people find it easier to just lean on these all powerful creations, at the same time, these religions can therefore inspire much stronger desire to prophecize and if met with resistance, the use of force to impose their deity on as many as possible.
Polytheistic religions are by nature more tolerant and thus more democratic. Theme of self reliance on meditative practices is stronger compared to leaning on power of a creator being. The desire to prophecize is thus less urgent nor the need to use force to impose belief.
Is it any surprise that the world is now mostly divided between two of the strongest monotheistic religions that are also the least tolerant. Is it also surprising that these two religions would continue to inspire hate and violence in their names?
ParticipantReligion was a very necessary human creation that helped us as we moved from hunters and gatherers to an agrarian society and beyond. I find all religions were created and centered along the line of some form of mediative practice to help one deal with human suffering and also to aid in the need to explain the unexplainable.
Religions are the Proza and Zoloft and Lexapro of human societies before the advent of modern psychology and psychiatric practices. Unfortunately some folks are so into their “brand” of “SSRI” that they find the need to pray for others on other brands of “SSRI.”
Would recommend all to read the following book, it was quite enlightening:
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