there is no g-d

[FlyerInHi]

Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.

[ocrenter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.[/quote]

Yeah, it is called Islam. Fighting fire with fire.

[scaredyclassic]

new documentary called HAIL SATAN about satanic worshippers sounds intriguing. they may be chill bros just looking for progressive social change. i maybe could embrace satanism.

unless it gets too mainstream

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.[/quote]

Yeah, it is called Islam. Fighting fire with fire.[/quote]

Only some small segments of Islam. I don’t see Muslim missionaries all over American towns.

What if the USA were a poor country and missionaries from other religions and other countries were forced upon us in the name of freedom ofreligion? It would a sight to behold.

[scaredyclassic]

i get young mormon missionaries come by and offer to help with yard work as part of their mission, and i assume win converts.

i feel too guilty to put them to work but i probably should.

their religion is kinda nutty but i really like most mormons ive met

[ocrenter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ocrenter][quote=FlyerInHi]Yeah but Christianity is so preachy. There should be symmetrical pushback.[/quote]

Yeah, it is called Islam. Fighting fire with fire.[/quote]

Only some small segments of Islam. I don’t see Muslim missionaries all over American towns.

What if the USA were a poor country and missionaries from other religions and other countries were forced upon us in the name of freedom ofreligion? It would a sight to behold.[/quote]

I’m looking at throughout history. Islam’s quest for converting souls only 2nd to Christianity. It has definitely taken a backseat due to terrorism giving the religion a black eye. Christianity, backed by Christian nations’ relative prosperity to the rest of the world, continue to push their soul collecting strategy. Plus once a society is educated and prosperous, ardent followers drop off and finding new souls in less affluent societies become even more important.

[scaredyclassic]

i guess jesus means just whatever the hell you want him to mean. the poway shooter said he inspired him to kill some jews and peppered his manifesto with bible quotes in support thereof.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=flu]I’m not very religious…

But for argument’s sake…

What’s the difference between ridiculing people of Christian faith over a blog, hurling insults at such religion, and religious people, spitting and pissing on what probably matters a lot to them…versus hurling a bunch of stereotypes and a vulgarities about a say an Latino or African American or Muslim?

Is this sort of ridicule here on this thread *that* much different than Donald Trump’s ridicule and disdain for Muslims, or have we all sunken to an all time low across the board?[/quote]

Just read about flat-earth society and its celebrities. You mean I cannot ridicule them because it equals to racism?

[JPJones]

[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]I’m not very religious…

But for argument’s sake…

What’s the difference between ridiculing people of Christian faith over a blog, hurling insults at such religion, and religious people, spitting and pissing on what probably matters a lot to them…versus hurling a bunch of stereotypes and a vulgarities about a say an Latino or African American or Muslim?

Is this sort of ridicule here on this thread *that* much different than Donald Trump’s ridicule and disdain for Muslims, or have we all sunken to an all time low across the board?[/quote]

Just read about flat-earth society and its celebrities. You mean I cannot ridicule them because it equals to racism?[/quote]
Yup. You’re basically Hitler at that point. Sorry!

[zk]

[quote=flu]I’m not very religious…

But for argument’s sake…

What’s the difference between ridiculing people of Christian faith over a blog, hurling insults at such religion, and religious people, spitting and pissing on what probably matters a lot to them…versus hurling a bunch of stereotypes and a vulgarities about a say an Latino or African American or Muslim?

Is this sort of ridicule here on this thread *that* much different than Donald Trump’s ridicule and disdain for Muslims, or have we all sunken to an all time low across the board?[/quote]

Yes, the sort of ridicule on this thread is *that* much different from trump’s ridicule and disdain for muslims.

Non-religious people ridiculing religion is totally different from a person of one faith ridiculing another faith.

Non-religious people ridiculing religious people is a matter of people who use evidence, logic, and reason to determine how to go about life mocking people who use fantasy to make that determination.

People who have one fantasy ridiculing people who have a different fantasy is like…well, it’s like people who have one fantasy ridiculing people who have another fantasy. It’s imbecilic.

All of this is setting aside that it’s extremely likely that trump’s ridicule and disdain for muslims is strictly for the purpose of stoking fear and hatred among his ignorant base. Which, while it’s less ridiculous (to me) than a person with one fantasy mocking people with another fantasy, is much more dangerous to our country.

And all of that sets aside the fact that the standard for our president should be higher than the standard for some random internet forum.

[FlyerInHi]

I am happy that everyone is seeing the false equivalence. Indeed “blaming both sides” is just an attempt to detract from the wrong side or plain ignorant.

[FlyerInHi]

Plaster brought up a good point about money. I wonder how God and capitalism work together.

[phaster]

[quote=JPJones][quote=carlsbadworker][quote=flu]I’m not very religious…

But for argument’s sake…

What’s the difference between ridiculing people of Christian faith over a blog, hurling insults at such religion, and religious people, spitting and pissing on what probably matters a lot to them…versus hurling a bunch of stereotypes and a vulgarities about a say an Latino or African American or Muslim?

Is this sort of ridicule here on this thread *that* much different than Donald Trump’s ridicule and disdain for Muslims, or have we all sunken to an all time low across the board?[/quote]

Just read about flat-earth society and its celebrities. You mean I cannot ridicule them because it equals to racism?[/quote]
Yup. You’re basically Hitler at that point. Sorry![/quote]

didn’t get the joke until I googled the phrase “flat earth celebrities”

https://people.com/celebrity/flat-earth-celebrities-world-not-round/
https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-who-are-flat-earthers/celebrity-lists

yikes,… data point(s) indicating the sad state of affairs involving “celebrities” who lack scientific knowledge AND sadly are admired in large segments of the population,… NOT a good choice for role models IMHO or bode well for civilization given the various problems that need to be addressed

anyway given the OP,… here is my favorite comment from a YouTube video doing a high production value physics experiment I recalled watching on TV demonstrating the curvature of the earth,…

“God bless Flat earthers. put on this planet to make normal people feel a lot more intelligent”

Flat Earth CRUSHED by Discovery Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4

seems belief in various conspiracy theories will only grow because people are looking for answers to various life’s problems (which are caused by corruption and mismanagement at the leadership level),… #SAD

Flat Earth vs. Round Earth | National Geographic Explorer

[phaster]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Plaster brought up a good point about money. I wonder how God and capitalism work together.[/quote]

seems not everyone appreciates my irreverent super genius analysis which is based on logic and reason

[quote=scaredyclassic]

in the old days it was rude to discuss politics religion and money. i see now why.

[/quote]

FWIW in a modern world IMHO its beneficial to have to have a moral compass and given established religion(s) have “ideals” and long term traditions, this reinforces behavior (which is a double edge sword)

[quote=ocrenter]
Religion was a very necessary human creation that helped us as we moved from hunters and gatherers to an agrarian society and beyond. I find all religions were created and centered along the line of some form of mediative practice to help one deal with human suffering and also to aid in the need to explain the unexplainable.

Religions are the Proza and Zoloft and Lexapro of human societies before the advent of modern psychology and psychiatric practices. Unfortunately some folks are so into their “brand” of “SSRI” that they find the need to pray for others on other brands of “SSRI.”

Would recommend all to read the following book, it was quite enlightening:

[/quote]

to illustrate the point about how religion is useful to adapting to life in the modern world,… let’s consider my catholic school education (prior to attending a public university), basically it was a reminder throughout my formidable years that life is terminal and greed is a sin that one should always be aware of,…. or said another way, I learned from an early age that more money does not mean more “happiness”

specifically looking at the first commandment,… note that it includes the phrase “thou shall not have any other gods before me” (in a modern world to me this means don’t worship money),… then depending upon the translation another commandment states “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods” (which means to me, be happy w/ the shit you have)

https://sites.google.com/site/hebrewmelchizedekteutonic/home/-10-the-tenth-commandment-thou-shalt-not-covet-thy-neighbor-s-goods

as it relates to the bigger picture about how economies are run,… I think a religious grounding is an immunization of sorts which help one recognize the various downsides of greed,… or said another way established religions are suppose to help remind oneself that in a world of various temptations, its important to keep in mind there are “needs” which are vary different from “wants”

[quote]
Michael Munger on Crony Capitalism “AUDIO HIGHLIGHTS”

Michael Munger:… I worry that economics has abandoned the position of emphasizing character, norms, and morality. And, one of the reasons that I’m a political scientist and philosopher rather than an economist in terms of my academic affiliation, is precisely that I’m worried about the structure of preferences and the sustainability of the willingness of people to try to act in the right way, even if it may be illegal. And let me emphasize: The real problem here is the ability of rational state actors to restructure the legal rules in ways that over time could corrupt moral character that might otherwise prevent a move in this direction. So, the real problem is we have to take the public choice objection seriously. Members–people who work for the state, elected officials and bureaucrats–are rational and they are entrepreneurs. They are looking for ways to increase their power.

http://www.econtalk.org/michael-munger-on-crony-capitalism/#comments
[/quote]

guess what I’m trying to say is the enemy from w/ in is “Crony Capitalism” and a religious belief system could be a way to combat this threat to organized society

as for the book Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, the author does make an vary good point about “storytelling”

given human nature, people fall back upon gut instinct (i.e. “storytelling”) to make sense of the world around them,… for example in another thread, I recalled a homeless character that was able to see the truth,…

https://www.piggington.com/san_diego_homeless_mercifully_do_not_live_very_long?page=1#comment-283560

I mention this specific movie character because if one uses nothing more than middle school math concepts and basic common sense, it should be vary apparent that individuals in various leadership positions,… are in reality, false prophets (i.e. no talent a$$ clowns!!!)

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and due to the leadership corruption and mismanagement by self-serving preachers, politicians, etc., this leads to hell on earth (i.e. outcomes where lots of people suffer)

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