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October 20, 2019 at 11:19 PM #22766October 21, 2019 at 9:15 AM #813832
All this self sacrifice although maybe admirable are fairly useless.
“One cargo or freighter ship puts out as much pollution as 15 million cars”
At some point if we are going to get serious we will need to start GEO engineering.
Having fewer kids just means we will get run over by the developing worlds population (by Billions over the next 50 years).October 21, 2019 at 10:39 AM #813833FlyerInHiGuest
Why is it self sacrifice? Eating less meat makes you healthier and you will live longer.October 21, 2019 at 10:48 AM #813835
IMO that is suspect
“The actual causal relationship between becoming vegetarian and living longer is unclear, and is certainly smaller than the correlation might seem to suggest.”
So it goes with vegetarianism and longevity. It’s absolutely true that vegetarians live longer (at least among Seventh Day Adventists, the target group of the study). In fact, in this study, vegetarians live six to nine years longer, which is a huge effect. But vegetarians are also more likely to exercise, be married, smoke less and drink less alcohol—all factors that also contribute to a longer life. The actual causal relationship between becoming vegetarian and living longer is unclear, and is certainly smaller than the correlation might seem to suggest.October 21, 2019 at 10:55 AM #813836FlyerInHiGuest
As a population we could cut 1/2 the consumption of meat and feel no change in lifestyle.
More crunchy fresh veggies would do us good.
We could also cut 1/2 the gasoline consumption without any effect. Just drive more efficient cars. So many things we could do but we don’t because we are a gluttonous society.October 21, 2019 at 2:13 PM #813837
IMO eating less food has more of an effect on aging than being a strict vegetarian.
If you are a strict vegetarian (or vegan) you probably need to supplement with Carnosine or bata alanine but may be you would not be a strict vegetarian at that point.October 21, 2019 at 3:17 PM #813838FlyerInHiGuest
Maybe, but eating less or become vegetarian/vegan does not mean it’s self sacrifice.
People are gluttonous because animal instincts and cravings developed for scarcity. In generations past, food was expensive so people think that eating a lot is good. It’s not about self-sacrifice but about impulse control in a higher state of human development.October 21, 2019 at 11:22 PM #813843
Do you guys realize this is a capitalist forum? Why don’t you hang out in front of the Salk Institute and hand out anti-vaccine literature.
I spent time this last week with both my adult children shopping/buying hybrids that get 50+ MPG’s, not for the environment, but because I hate taxes and the math works for them. Efficient cars are not that much more expensive now, when fuel costs are factored in they are cheaper. I drove through 5 traditionally high tax states the week before (Massachusetts, Rhode island, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey) and paid an average of $2.50 a gallon. Landed at LAX, $4.15! Almost every dealer has a sub 30k hybrid that gets 50 mpg. Do it because it makes financial and tax sense. I’m hoping Tesla makes a range rover like SUV before I take the plunge, but I’ve got 3 years till I need to buy another vehicle so I’m optimistic. If it were today I’d shop the BMW X7 or the Lincoln Aviator, thus far the big and the beautiful don’t have an electric or a hybrid but it’s coming.
Fine, become a Vegan, the ultimate virtue signal, but be forewarned, vegan chicks are on another level of crazy. I had filet mignon last night from costco (fabulous meats), if more of you become vegans, supply and demand says my steak will get cheaper. But be forewarned scaredy, this is not the mid life crisis you want. It is often accompanied with an aversion to grooming of the unmentionables, “nobody got time for that.”
In fact, everyone buy that book about flying less often so I can fly more. You can lose sleep about the environment and I can gain sleep by flying first class for less.
Of course I’m not feeling despondent about the environment, I feel despondent about coach on long haul flights overseas.October 22, 2019 at 5:30 AM #813844HobieParticipant
[quote=temeculaguy]vegan chicks are on another level of crazy.[/quote]
Ha, you brought back wonderful memories during my dating days! 100% vegan are more nuts than horse women imho.October 22, 2019 at 9:18 AM #813846FlyerInHiGuest
Yeah, of course, saving money is why you want to use LED lights and high SEER air conditioners, especially in temecula. That’s called progress.
Of course, no apologies from Michelle Bachman for the light bulb freedom of choice act. Now, only morons still use incandescent light bulbs. And soon, only morons will drive gas cars.
I love never going to thegas station with my electric car. It’s like paying $1 per gallon but never having range anxiety that require a time wasting stop at a gas station.
Eat all the hormones injected fillet mignon you want but don’t take offense when you’re called fat if that’s the truth. And please take responsibility don’t cry when you have health problems.
Btw, I’m not vegetarian or vegan. But I consume very little meat. I have always been my college age weight + 5 lbs max. No back pain or ailments my peers suffer. No need to buy 500 pill bottles of ibuprofen at Costco. If one does that, there’s something very wrong with one’s diet.October 23, 2019 at 12:57 AM #813848
[quote=Hobie][quote=temeculaguy]vegan chicks are on another level of crazy.[/quote]
Ha, you brought back wonderful memories during my dating days! 100% vegan are more nuts than horse women imho.[/quote]
Love an old timer who can quote the classics, makes we want to read my old musings.
Brian, good for you, the fact that you have to tell me and everyone else about your consumption habits is where I have a problem. The best vegans are those who never discuss it, just like religious people to you. You are cool with their beliefs as long as they keep them to themselves. Be consistent.October 23, 2019 at 8:57 AM #813849FlyerInHiGuest
No, individual responsibility is not like religion. We owe it to ourselves and society to be responsible.
One who is spendthrift and financially irresponsible might be considered a loser. Someone with bad health habits is arguably more irresponsible than a person who can’t manage his paycheck.October 23, 2019 at 11:49 PM #813851
[quote=FlyerInHi]No, individual responsibility is not like religion. We owe it to ourselves and society to be responsible.[/quote]
No we don’t because “responsible” is subjective. Your choices and values are not mine, some align and some contradict. My definition of responsibility might contain things you oppose and vice versa. I may value service to society as time spent in a uniform, any uniform and you may value time spent in a hybrid vehicle. There is no right answer except the answer where you decide that the only right answer is what you deem acceptable, that is the wrong answer every time.
Case and point, I like women with curves. 1st wife, 2nd wife and those in between were not athletic and slim women for the most part. They didn’t need seat belt extenders but they had a little extra here and there. I know that’s not every guy’s thing, but it doesn’t make it right or wrong. You might cast judgements on me for my preference and I might thank you for not sharing my appreciation for what you consider imperfections and creating competition.
Lao Tzu would oppose breast reductions if he were alive today, I’m just trying to keep his spirit alive.
I’ve said it before Brian, you are not a bad guy but you seem to think you are right and you are what everyone wants to be if only they could be like you. It would liberate you to realize you are different from most others and many people want nothing more than to be nothing like you. I know it helped me on the road to self actualization. I know I don’t fit into a political party, I know I don’t fit into a a racial identity and I know that I hold values that others do not, nor do I believe I will convince anyone else to think like me. Try it, it is truly blissful at times.October 24, 2019 at 7:48 AM #813852FlyerInHiGuest
Then why the hostility and mockery of people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan? Otherwise be prepared to receive equal mockery in return.
Calling Vegans crazy is not nice. That fits in with the pattern of labeling stuff “crazy” that challenge mainstream culture — Vegans, AOC, treehugggers, etc…October 25, 2019 at 1:34 AM #813853
Just like mockery of gun owning, trump supporting, non college educated people from the midwest is bad, because I see you do enjoy that. Look, vegans/vegetarians annoy most people not because of their personal choices but because of the behavior and that makes them a target of ridicule.
Compare it to other people. Let’s compare them to the LGBT community. I think it comes down to public vs private behavior and overall goals. The wife and I have a gay couple who are very close friends, they regularly stay at our home when visiting and we vacation together, we attended each other’s weddings and respect each others relationships. We also have a vegetarian couple of similar closeness. The difference is the gay couple do their thing in private, they only ask for acceptance. Their happiness does not require we act like them, just that we accept them. The vegetarian couple need us and others to eat like them otherwise their sacrifice is for not. Plus dining is social, sex is private, so I get it that the vegetarians are more likely to lecture and try to recruit. I’m golfing with the vegetarian friend Saturday, and rest assured I’ll be teasing him. I especially focus on the years he ate seafood because it wasn’t cuddly, species bias is an easy target, but mostly because all his beliefs and habits are forced on him by his wife, another easy target. But he will draw first blood, mentioning something about my breakfast burrito from the clubhouse and my arteries or the treatment of the pig that ended up as bacon. Somehow the gay guys do not lecture me about their dislike of the female genitalia and my fondness for it. Some vegans lack mutual acceptance, hence the mockery.
AOC was a poor choice of examples, she deserves all the mockery she gets and then some. She spends all her days criticizing others especially those who disagree with her, so she is more than just fair game, she is mandatory mockery. I don’t spend my time telling everyone they can’t have a man-bun, but once someone says anyone who doesn’t have a man-bun is bad, that’s when I will use my superpowers for evil.
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