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July 26, 2014 at 10:00 AM in reply to: totally cool home searching app by one of our own pigg forum members #777060
ocrenter
Participant[quote=Essbee]There’s a place near us called “Mathnasium”. The logo is kinda cute/clever in that the letters “at” in “Mathnasium” form an “A+”. The place also has a clever slogan: “catch up, keep up, or get ahead.” Besides this, I know nothing about the place, though.[/quote]
My totally math challenged daughter just had her first session Monday. This is a girl that is still throwing tantrums daily over her math homework. She absolutely loved it and can’t wait to go back for the next session. Originally we thought she would only be able to handle an hour, but ended up going for an hour and a half.
ParticipantFYI to OP
as tenants of a condo few years back, the landlord attempted to hold back about $800 in deposit for resurfacing and repainting of walls due to nail holes.
we sued the landlord in small claims and got the deposit back.
Participant[quote=paramount][quote=ocrenter]
Plenty of stats showing the US is leading the way in homicide rate.[/quote]
that’s true thanks to the progressives and liberals.
In the 50’s – when religion was still a part of the American family and before the libs took over – the problems we have today weren’t even on the radar screen.[/quote]
If there is only one country on earth and that is the USofA there would be no way to disprove your statement.
While a great majority of this country behave that way, luckily there are over 200 other countries out there, many of them completely disproving your theory.
Participant[quote=paramount]
Some people turn to god when they perceive things are bad; many many others are devout through good and bad times.
I am not turning to god personally – never-mind me –
but this is a country that largely derives values from nonsectarian sources.The results have been disastrous to say the least.[/quote]
The main problem with this country is endless pursuit of material wealth with zero regard to time for the family. But the majority of the country fell into the trap that somehow this was related to lack of church attendance. When both parents are forced to work full time, the children are left to raise themselves from the TV and videogames.
The fact that church attendance fall is a side effect, not a cause of our moral breakdown. don’t fall into the trap of that false correlation.
At the same time, this country rejects the progressive fix of living wages and better benefits that would strengthen familyon the basis of it being a communist agenda.
Plenty of church going folks end up with teenage pregnancy and drug use and crime, in fact states with the highest church attendance have the worse of these problems.
Participant[quote=paramount]
Must be me as I don’t find those words interesting at all; I do find wild assumptions being made not to mention that ocrenter stepped into the trap I set.
In my original comment I never mention god, in fact I’m an agnostic and I don’t even own a gun.
But ocrenter states I’m paranoid and yet has no idea what I might or might not supprt registration wise.
ocrenter then goes on to say godless countries have less gun violence. Wrong: those countries are NOT godless and they haven’t been as poisoned by the progressive/liberal agendas to the extent the US has.
You see ocrenter, it’s not about god per se; it’s about the solid value system and self-esteem more people than not derive from participating in a religion.
The libs have replaced that value system with relativism and materialism.
It’s not about guns, it’s about the person using the gun.
Two weeks ago Canada – which has strict gun control laws – had a “random” shooting.
A recent Harvard Study:
The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.” Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is “no.” And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.[/quote]
Oh No, I fell into paramount’s trap! How horrible, somebody help get me out!!!
In this country church is God, trap or otherwise. It is God first and foremost followed by everything else. This is why this country has a problem with mistakening morality with God. And this is also the reason why you mistaken proper upbringing with involvement with the church.
If it really was an intentional trap as you try so hard to prove, then there is also No need to lie about other godless countries with significantly lower homicidal rates. Europe as a whole is far more secular and far more progressive compared to the US, violent crime is less. Even Canada, a far more progressive country compared to us, has significantly less crime per capita as well as homicide rate despite your single event equal policy failure analysis.
Plenty of stats showing the US is leading the way in homicide rate, one can always cherrypick data to back up your claims.
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
Interesting words, made me think. I’m an atheist. It really goes beyond “god”, I don’t believe in much of anything. But I didn’t get here without quite a bit of exposure to religion. I grew up in a pretty observant religious home and was exposed to (and at times very willingly participated in)a rigorous religious education. But there was very little spirituality involved, at least from my perspective. So despite this background, I never “turn to god”. I can’t remember any situation where it even occurred to me to do so.
I’m not claiming that any broad conclusions based on my experience. I’m not calling belief stupid, or blaming very human problems on god. Belief is a choice. I just found your words very interesting shit to think about. Thanks for sharing.[/quote]
No, you are right, belief is not stupid, belief in a higher power helps the human psyche tramendously. Religion was our psychotherapy prior to the arrival of modern psychiatry. Having a belief system, even though it may not be real, is a very helpful cornerstone to anchor to. Having that anchor allows for the rituals and prayers that are essentially disguised meditation practices. And we all know how productive meditation is for calming of the mind.
It is like the elderly woman that was chanting her Catholic prayers when she got her first knee injection. The chanting didn’t conjur up God to come and make the doctor perform better. The chanting, as a form of meditation, calmed her and made the pain from the injection less painful and more tolerable. She walks away painfree from the injection, but thinking because of her prayer, God has performed a miracle. This re-affirms her faith, which in turn make her even better at her meditative practice the next time around.
interesting PET scan analysis of the meditative brain:
http://earthvision.info/meditatingbrain.htmlParticipant[quote=paramount]Here is the true solution (to eliminate/reduce mass/public shootings):
1. Raise families/kids with a solid/legit church background
2. One parent home with the kids except in rare circumstances
3. Vote Tea Party/Libertarian
The Tea Party stands for liberty/freedom, self-reliance and rugged individualism. That’s what built this country.
And yes, I’m serious.
The progressives have nearly destroyed this country – and the mass/public shootings are among the most glaring symptom of a diseased society/country – a disease whose primary cause IS progressive and liberal agendas.
Gun Control and Bullet Proof crap will NEVER solve the problem or even come close.[/quote]
People turn to God and religion when things are out of control. That’s why people always pray and turn to whatever god they worship during earthquakes and typhoon/hurricane or other natural disasters.
You are turning to your God because we have flooded this country with guns and ammo and things are unraveling and becoming out of control. Yet you still love your guns and too paranoid to support registration and control.
Given complete lack of control over this conflicting loveaffair with guns yet scared at the same time because of the uunraveling increase in gun violence, you turn to, of course, GOD.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=spdrun]
Solution is for the mainstream media to STOP PUBLICIZING THIS CRAP. I’m not advocating for censorship. I’m arguing for a gentleman’s agreement to give this kind of lunacy a passing mention vs putting it on a 24-hour news cycle and using it to gain attention and push agendas.
It’s well-known that media attention promotes copycats.[/quote]
Bingo.[/quote]
Again, just ignore the elephant in the room and blame everything else.
We’ve already blamed videogames, psychiatrists, bullies, parents, being godless, too much medications, being off medications, media, the government, even not enough good guys with guns.
But plenty of countries have much much lower death from gun violence despite being godless, despite having videogames, despite having populations that shun psychiatric care, despite taking the same meds, despite having the same medication non-compliant problem.
And please remember the former penal colony of Australia has much lower gun death and incarceration rate than us, so it isn’t in our genes either.
Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=SK in CV]Couldn’t possibly be that one of the fixes would be to reduce the number of available bullets.[/quote]
Hi Ford we’re from the government. Our roads are too congested and too many people are dying in car accidents. We’re placing a limit on how many cars you can sell each year.
Is it constitutional for the government to dictate a limit on how many products a private company can sell or how many private companies providing those products can exist?[/quote]
That’s the typical “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. The problem is cars are not manufactured with killing as the main objective. Guns are.
If roads are congested, the government does work on policies to reduce car use, does it not? If people are dying from defects from the manufacturer, the manufacturer is investigated.
Meanwhile, if a gun causes death, it has done its job.
By the way, isn’t it ironic you brought up cars when cars are ALL registered while most guns intake country are not.
ParticipantParticipant[quote=ca renter]
I’m very much in favor of the Three Strikes law and other “tough on crime” measures, though it could possibly use some modification where offenders are known to be non-violent. We need to get violent criminals off the streets, period. I have no mercy for violent offenders. That would go much further than banning guns if the protection of innocent lives is our first concern (as it is mine — and this is one of the primary reasons I support the right to bear arms).[/quote]
But that’s the easy position to take. Which politician out there is going around saying he or she is soft on criime?
Aren’t you not concerned that laws like three strike essentially have led the US to the world’s leading country in incarcerated people per capital. We lead everyone else in the world at over 700/100k. The next major countries behind us are Cuba at 510/100k and Russia at 490/100k.
Isn’t that the whole definition of a police state you think you can prevent with gun ownership?
If you actually need to use your gun to protect your liberty, it is already too late.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
The revolution will actually be televised on pay per view.[/quote]
Actually, it is already on TV.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
Right, which is why they want to do it piecemeal. First, they enact more “modest” gun control laws like restrictions on types of weapons allowed, and registration — neither of which, BTW, would stop or reduce violence or homicides — because the PTB could begin tracking the movement of weapons. They would have gun buybacks and other programs that would somewhat reduce the number of guns, and gradually, they would get us to a point where we feel that the govt would have the right to know the weapon status of every single citizen and resident in the U.S.Once they know the weapons status and everything else about us (and they are making HUGE strides in data aggregation on U.S. citizens), then they can go in for the final kill: full confiscation of all weapons that can be used by a resistance or revolutionary movement.
If you can watch what’s been happening over the past few decades (especially as it relates to privacy, data mining and aggregation, laws regarding “domestic terrorism,” etc.) and still feel that the Second Amendment is some how ridiculous or anachronistic, then you’re either naive and/or not paying attention.[/quote]
Yes, you are right, I am naive about this massive conspiracy to strip 60% of America it’s guns… wait, or just 20%…
But let’s just assume there is this conspiracy in play, then gun ownership then is equal to patriotism. I should thank you for your patriotic defense of my liberty then. what about the victims of gun violence? Just martyrs who died for our freedom…
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter]
It wouldn’t matter if the driver was unlicensed or licensed. The fact would be that they took/borrowed your car (with or without permission) and killed somebody. Should you be held responsible?[/quote]
If he is doing something on your behalf (ie your agent), like picking up your drycleaning or your kids, then you would be responsible.[/quote]
Fine, if a person with a gun owned by me were to do something “on my behalf,” then I would absolutely agree that I should be held liable; but that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about unauthorized use of another person’s weapon.[/quote]
This doesn’t apply to every state, but you can be responsible simply as the owner of a vehicle and you gave permission for a negligent driver to drive your vehicle.
As an owner of a deadly weapon, there’s No reason why you should have less responsibility if your gun was involved in a shooting.
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