[ocrenter]

looks like this guy went down the typical path to the real estate bust:

purchased and flipped a 2700 sqft home in Chula Vista within 16 months for $150k profit.

purchased and flipped another 2800 sqft home in Chula Vista within 6 months for $170k profit.

both homes were sold in January of 2003, within a couple of weeks of each other.

The profits of course went to his move up mansion in Bonita at 4200 sqft, purchased in January of 2003 for $850k. there’s a nice pool and spa with a built in water slide, looks pretty updated, he probably put that in after his purchase.

Looks like the home went to foreclosure in January of 2009 and was picked up by a buyer in April of ’09 for $618k.

[ocrenter]

looks like this guy went down the typical path to the real estate bust:

purchased and flipped a 2700 sqft home in Chula Vista within 16 months for $150k profit.

purchased and flipped another 2800 sqft home in Chula Vista within 6 months for $170k profit.

both homes were sold in January of 2003, within a couple of weeks of each other.

The profits of course went to his move up mansion in Bonita at 4200 sqft, purchased in January of 2003 for $850k. there’s a nice pool and spa with a built in water slide, looks pretty updated, he probably put that in after his purchase.

Looks like the home went to foreclosure in January of 2009 and was picked up by a buyer in April of ’09 for $618k.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.

Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.

I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at.

here’s the big BUT.

if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.

or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.

This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.

Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.

I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at.

here’s the big BUT.

if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.

or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.

This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.

Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.

I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at.

here’s the big BUT.

if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.

or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.

This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.

Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.

I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at.

here’s the big BUT.

if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.

or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.

This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.

Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.

I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]

I understand what you are getting at.

here’s the big BUT.

if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.

or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.

This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene]I have a strong feeling that this is all part of a devious Detroit plan to gain market share. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

If I’m right, in the next few months we should start hearing about braking/steering/electrical problems plaguing the Civic and the Accord.[/quote]

hey, since the government is majority GM shareholder, right? so the question is how did Obama sneak into this guy’s garage and alter the electronic system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene]I have a strong feeling that this is all part of a devious Detroit plan to gain market share. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

If I’m right, in the next few months we should start hearing about braking/steering/electrical problems plaguing the Civic and the Accord.[/quote]

hey, since the government is majority GM shareholder, right? so the question is how did Obama sneak into this guy’s garage and alter the electronic system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene]I have a strong feeling that this is all part of a devious Detroit plan to gain market share. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

If I’m right, in the next few months we should start hearing about braking/steering/electrical problems plaguing the Civic and the Accord.[/quote]

hey, since the government is majority GM shareholder, right? so the question is how did Obama sneak into this guy’s garage and alter the electronic system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene]I have a strong feeling that this is all part of a devious Detroit plan to gain market share. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

If I’m right, in the next few months we should start hearing about braking/steering/electrical problems plaguing the Civic and the Accord.[/quote]

hey, since the government is majority GM shareholder, right? so the question is how did Obama sneak into this guy’s garage and alter the electronic system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=Eugene]I have a strong feeling that this is all part of a devious Detroit plan to gain market share. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

If I’m right, in the next few months we should start hearing about braking/steering/electrical problems plaguing the Civic and the Accord.[/quote]

hey, since the government is majority GM shareholder, right? so the question is how did Obama sneak into this guy’s garage and alter the electronic system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]The right solution would be to start over, scrap the current system completely. Do what Taiwan did, research existing systems and implement pieces that work the best.

With all of this talk of socialism, the numbers are simple. Would you switch to socialist Canadian system if it meant Canada level healthcare and saving $4000 per member of you family every year?[/quote]

I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.

in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.

[ocrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]The right solution would be to start over, scrap the current system completely. Do what Taiwan did, research existing systems and implement pieces that work the best.

With all of this talk of socialism, the numbers are simple. Would you switch to socialist Canadian system if it meant Canada level healthcare and saving $4000 per member of you family every year?[/quote]

I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.

in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.

[ocrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]The right solution would be to start over, scrap the current system completely. Do what Taiwan did, research existing systems and implement pieces that work the best.

With all of this talk of socialism, the numbers are simple. Would you switch to socialist Canadian system if it meant Canada level healthcare and saving $4000 per member of you family every year?[/quote]

I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.

in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.

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