[NotCranky]

I am one of the poor rich guys you referred to Raptor. I really appreciate your comments there. Maybe I am wrong but I think most people in your shoes don’t get it. I educated myself just as hard to get to be rich this way as other do to get rich your way .I have no diplomas. I could go five or more years with out a job and be better off than most people even if my wife lost her part-time job where she makes not so much but finds fulfilment. I can live just fine marginally, but honestly employed. Periods higher success are huge windfalls by my standard. I will hopefully reach my retirement goals which are simply to be able to live like I do now without selling off my modest assets and by that being able to organize them to suit kids. Meanwhile my kids have never been under the care of anyone but my wife and I with the exception of a few occaisions with friends or family. We had 3 boys under five until Dec. when the oldest reached that milestone. We refused to put them in care until they are old enough to discuss it with us. This is excruciatingly hard and yes you do have to be rich one way or another to do it.
I also grew up very poor, in every sense of the word except for a maybe a few, like a third world one for example.

So I think you should let me sell you a house. LOL
See you around Target

Navydoc. Congrats on the baby.

[NotCranky]

I am one of the poor rich guys you referred to Raptor. I really appreciate your comments there. Maybe I am wrong but I think most people in your shoes don’t get it. I educated myself just as hard to get to be rich this way as other do to get rich your way .I have no diplomas. I could go five or more years with out a job and be better off than most people even if my wife lost her part-time job where she makes not so much but finds fulfilment. I can live just fine marginally, but honestly employed. Periods higher success are huge windfalls by my standard. I will hopefully reach my retirement goals which are simply to be able to live like I do now without selling off my modest assets and by that being able to organize them to suit kids. Meanwhile my kids have never been under the care of anyone but my wife and I with the exception of a few occaisions with friends or family. We had 3 boys under five until Dec. when the oldest reached that milestone. We refused to put them in care until they are old enough to discuss it with us. This is excruciatingly hard and yes you do have to be rich one way or another to do it.
I also grew up very poor, in every sense of the word except for a maybe a few, like a third world one for example.

So I think you should let me sell you a house. LOL
See you around Target

Navydoc. Congrats on the baby.

[NotCranky]

I am one of the poor rich guys you referred to Raptor. I really appreciate your comments there. Maybe I am wrong but I think most people in your shoes don’t get it. I educated myself just as hard to get to be rich this way as other do to get rich your way .I have no diplomas. I could go five or more years with out a job and be better off than most people even if my wife lost her part-time job where she makes not so much but finds fulfilment. I can live just fine marginally, but honestly employed. Periods higher success are huge windfalls by my standard. I will hopefully reach my retirement goals which are simply to be able to live like I do now without selling off my modest assets and by that being able to organize them to suit kids. Meanwhile my kids have never been under the care of anyone but my wife and I with the exception of a few occaisions with friends or family. We had 3 boys under five until Dec. when the oldest reached that milestone. We refused to put them in care until they are old enough to discuss it with us. This is excruciatingly hard and yes you do have to be rich one way or another to do it.
I also grew up very poor, in every sense of the word except for a maybe a few, like a third world one for example.

So I think you should let me sell you a house. LOL
See you around Target

Navydoc. Congrats on the baby.

[NotCranky]

I am one of the poor rich guys you referred to Raptor. I really appreciate your comments there. Maybe I am wrong but I think most people in your shoes don’t get it. I educated myself just as hard to get to be rich this way as other do to get rich your way .I have no diplomas. I could go five or more years with out a job and be better off than most people even if my wife lost her part-time job where she makes not so much but finds fulfilment. I can live just fine marginally, but honestly employed. Periods higher success are huge windfalls by my standard. I will hopefully reach my retirement goals which are simply to be able to live like I do now without selling off my modest assets and by that being able to organize them to suit kids. Meanwhile my kids have never been under the care of anyone but my wife and I with the exception of a few occaisions with friends or family. We had 3 boys under five until Dec. when the oldest reached that milestone. We refused to put them in care until they are old enough to discuss it with us. This is excruciatingly hard and yes you do have to be rich one way or another to do it.
I also grew up very poor, in every sense of the word except for a maybe a few, like a third world one for example.

So I think you should let me sell you a house. LOL
See you around Target

Navydoc. Congrats on the baby.

[NotCranky]

Nice post Just lurking,

I really like raptorduck too and hope none of my comments are to unseemly no matter how off the wall.

“He would have every right to be frustrated and I would totally understand that.”

Isn’t being frustrated different from refusing to talk to or ostracizing? that stuff is just down right hurtful.(I am a sensitive man)

I was in the opposite situation a few year when my wife and I set out to buy a property. I know way more about real estate and how to drive a great deal and speculate but she would get very unhappy with my choices even though I struck a compromise to stay in San Diego and I was building the house and it was my money I made prior to the marriage. We fought, a little, but we knew as long as it was on the table or even if it was off “life goes on”.We are fine several years later of course. We even lived through building our own house together. Raptor’s situation sounds more serious. Unless he is speaking figuratively which I think he is not. I wouldn’t feel right under those conditions.

I agree that the hostility towards Ms. Raptorduck is unwarranted and unkind.

I think the guys around here would give your husband a “high five” in place of the comments made about Ms. Raptorduck!I would.

[NotCranky]

Nice post Just lurking,

I really like raptorduck too and hope none of my comments are to unseemly no matter how off the wall.

“He would have every right to be frustrated and I would totally understand that.”

Isn’t being frustrated different from refusing to talk to or ostracizing? that stuff is just down right hurtful.(I am a sensitive man)

I was in the opposite situation a few year when my wife and I set out to buy a property. I know way more about real estate and how to drive a great deal and speculate but she would get very unhappy with my choices even though I struck a compromise to stay in San Diego and I was building the house and it was my money I made prior to the marriage. We fought, a little, but we knew as long as it was on the table or even if it was off “life goes on”.We are fine several years later of course. We even lived through building our own house together. Raptor’s situation sounds more serious. Unless he is speaking figuratively which I think he is not. I wouldn’t feel right under those conditions.

I agree that the hostility towards Ms. Raptorduck is unwarranted and unkind.

I think the guys around here would give your husband a “high five” in place of the comments made about Ms. Raptorduck!I would.

[NotCranky]

Nice post Just lurking,

I really like raptorduck too and hope none of my comments are to unseemly no matter how off the wall.

“He would have every right to be frustrated and I would totally understand that.”

Isn’t being frustrated different from refusing to talk to or ostracizing? that stuff is just down right hurtful.(I am a sensitive man)

I was in the opposite situation a few year when my wife and I set out to buy a property. I know way more about real estate and how to drive a great deal and speculate but she would get very unhappy with my choices even though I struck a compromise to stay in San Diego and I was building the house and it was my money I made prior to the marriage. We fought, a little, but we knew as long as it was on the table or even if it was off “life goes on”.We are fine several years later of course. We even lived through building our own house together. Raptor’s situation sounds more serious. Unless he is speaking figuratively which I think he is not. I wouldn’t feel right under those conditions.

I agree that the hostility towards Ms. Raptorduck is unwarranted and unkind.

I think the guys around here would give your husband a “high five” in place of the comments made about Ms. Raptorduck!I would.

[NotCranky]

Nice post Just lurking,

I really like raptorduck too and hope none of my comments are to unseemly no matter how off the wall.

“He would have every right to be frustrated and I would totally understand that.”

Isn’t being frustrated different from refusing to talk to or ostracizing? that stuff is just down right hurtful.(I am a sensitive man)

I was in the opposite situation a few year when my wife and I set out to buy a property. I know way more about real estate and how to drive a great deal and speculate but she would get very unhappy with my choices even though I struck a compromise to stay in San Diego and I was building the house and it was my money I made prior to the marriage. We fought, a little, but we knew as long as it was on the table or even if it was off “life goes on”.We are fine several years later of course. We even lived through building our own house together. Raptor’s situation sounds more serious. Unless he is speaking figuratively which I think he is not. I wouldn’t feel right under those conditions.

I agree that the hostility towards Ms. Raptorduck is unwarranted and unkind.

I think the guys around here would give your husband a “high five” in place of the comments made about Ms. Raptorduck!I would.

[NotCranky]

Nice post Just lurking,

I really like raptorduck too and hope none of my comments are to unseemly no matter how off the wall.

“He would have every right to be frustrated and I would totally understand that.”

Isn’t being frustrated different from refusing to talk to or ostracizing? that stuff is just down right hurtful.(I am a sensitive man)

I was in the opposite situation a few year when my wife and I set out to buy a property. I know way more about real estate and how to drive a great deal and speculate but she would get very unhappy with my choices even though I struck a compromise to stay in San Diego and I was building the house and it was my money I made prior to the marriage. We fought, a little, but we knew as long as it was on the table or even if it was off “life goes on”.We are fine several years later of course. We even lived through building our own house together. Raptor’s situation sounds more serious. Unless he is speaking figuratively which I think he is not. I wouldn’t feel right under those conditions.

I agree that the hostility towards Ms. Raptorduck is unwarranted and unkind.

I think the guys around here would give your husband a “high five” in place of the comments made about Ms. Raptorduck!I would.

[NotCranky]

JP,
I am not picking on you, just playing “The world according to Rustico” and I agree people should see their responsibilities for what they are. If am man or woman establishes a child rearing situation where one person is dependent there are some pretty deep responsibilities to go with it based on those choices. This is to love and care for those children no matter what and to facilitate the other parent doing that as well. Unfortuantely apparently it turns into a fight over support or avoiding it pretty often.

Yes marion, I find no value in that particular post by davelj. Maybe someone finds entertainment in it? Not my thing.

[NotCranky]

JP,
I am not picking on you, just playing “The world according to Rustico” and I agree people should see their responsibilities for what they are. If am man or woman establishes a child rearing situation where one person is dependent there are some pretty deep responsibilities to go with it based on those choices. This is to love and care for those children no matter what and to facilitate the other parent doing that as well. Unfortuantely apparently it turns into a fight over support or avoiding it pretty often.

Yes marion, I find no value in that particular post by davelj. Maybe someone finds entertainment in it? Not my thing.

[NotCranky]

JP,
I am not picking on you, just playing “The world according to Rustico” and I agree people should see their responsibilities for what they are. If am man or woman establishes a child rearing situation where one person is dependent there are some pretty deep responsibilities to go with it based on those choices. This is to love and care for those children no matter what and to facilitate the other parent doing that as well. Unfortuantely apparently it turns into a fight over support or avoiding it pretty often.

Yes marion, I find no value in that particular post by davelj. Maybe someone finds entertainment in it? Not my thing.

[NotCranky]

JP,
I am not picking on you, just playing “The world according to Rustico” and I agree people should see their responsibilities for what they are. If am man or woman establishes a child rearing situation where one person is dependent there are some pretty deep responsibilities to go with it based on those choices. This is to love and care for those children no matter what and to facilitate the other parent doing that as well. Unfortuantely apparently it turns into a fight over support or avoiding it pretty often.

Yes marion, I find no value in that particular post by davelj. Maybe someone finds entertainment in it? Not my thing.

[NotCranky]

JP,
I am not picking on you, just playing “The world according to Rustico” and I agree people should see their responsibilities for what they are. If am man or woman establishes a child rearing situation where one person is dependent there are some pretty deep responsibilities to go with it based on those choices. This is to love and care for those children no matter what and to facilitate the other parent doing that as well. Unfortuantely apparently it turns into a fight over support or avoiding it pretty often.

Yes marion, I find no value in that particular post by davelj. Maybe someone finds entertainment in it? Not my thing.

[NotCranky]

“But if you didn’t have a wife, you would end up paying for it, either paying for dates or a hooker.”
That is not a given either, that is just for guys who want to end up married to someone who “performs sexual services”. I am not saying that everyone “old fashioned” ended up married to a “John” or “Whore”. The odds of it happening that way are higher.

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