[NotCranky]

There are so many free or very cheap that are fun and coudl easily replace atrp to the flower gardens.If we jsut come down to the level of our kids and do the things they like to do with them intently that is valuable too. Next mission with my five year old. Try to find thermals and see if we can get an airplane to take off up into one. Four year old…plant tomatoes. Baby play horsey. When they are older it could be a game of basketball or body surfing. The list is infinite.

[NotCranky]

There are so many free or very cheap that are fun and coudl easily replace atrp to the flower gardens.If we jsut come down to the level of our kids and do the things they like to do with them intently that is valuable too. Next mission with my five year old. Try to find thermals and see if we can get an airplane to take off up into one. Four year old…plant tomatoes. Baby play horsey. When they are older it could be a game of basketball or body surfing. The list is infinite.

[NotCranky]

There are so many free or very cheap that are fun and coudl easily replace atrp to the flower gardens.If we jsut come down to the level of our kids and do the things they like to do with them intently that is valuable too. Next mission with my five year old. Try to find thermals and see if we can get an airplane to take off up into one. Four year old…plant tomatoes. Baby play horsey. When they are older it could be a game of basketball or body surfing. The list is infinite.

[NotCranky]

There are so many free or very cheap that are fun and coudl easily replace atrp to the flower gardens.If we jsut come down to the level of our kids and do the things they like to do with them intently that is valuable too. Next mission with my five year old. Try to find thermals and see if we can get an airplane to take off up into one. Four year old…plant tomatoes. Baby play horsey. When they are older it could be a game of basketball or body surfing. The list is infinite.

[NotCranky]

You have already laughed in my face and I think it says more about you than me. I wonder if you are taking my comments in the full context of other posts and threads? Probably not. We have discussed this over and over and you still don’t have an open mind. So let’s don’t discuss it together.

[NotCranky]

You have already laughed in my face and I think it says more about you than me. I wonder if you are taking my comments in the full context of other posts and threads? Probably not. We have discussed this over and over and you still don’t have an open mind. So let’s don’t discuss it together.

[NotCranky]

You have already laughed in my face and I think it says more about you than me. I wonder if you are taking my comments in the full context of other posts and threads? Probably not. We have discussed this over and over and you still don’t have an open mind. So let’s don’t discuss it together.

[NotCranky]

You have already laughed in my face and I think it says more about you than me. I wonder if you are taking my comments in the full context of other posts and threads? Probably not. We have discussed this over and over and you still don’t have an open mind. So let’s don’t discuss it together.

[NotCranky]

You have already laughed in my face and I think it says more about you than me. I wonder if you are taking my comments in the full context of other posts and threads? Probably not. We have discussed this over and over and you still don’t have an open mind. So let’s don’t discuss it together.

[NotCranky]

Marion I did remark that my comments there were extremist. This was for the purpose of illustration. I think that was clear. “SEX” is not the issue(get your mind out of the gutter. Reproduction is natural and the idea of selfishness doesn’t apply. Whether we reproduce on this side of the international date line or the other is irrelevant except that because of how we manage the planet it has different consequences.

Very few people can abstain form sex, including these people who have strange theories about reproduction. While we are on the topic of those individuals, I would say they are probably just humans trying to justify the choices they have made in life. Don’t we all do that? I certainly hope they don’t have any moral issue that runs pathologically about who of us is having children.

One more thought came to mind. I bet some of this anti- reproduction people have all sorts of theories about pendng calamities. It seems some do worry a lot, peak oil, greenhouse gases. How do they know that the catastrophe that his us first won’t leave us glad that there was a large population in Africa and a “first” world country like the U.S? They don’t because their agenda is not about thinking it through but rather self-righteously defending their own individual psychology inspired behavior behavior(not having kids or not enjoying it). They really act like GOD or at least they think they are GOD. I am not saying every body who doesn’t have kids or doesn’t like their kids does this, only the ones who are conflicted about it.

[NotCranky]

Marion I did remark that my comments there were extremist. This was for the purpose of illustration. I think that was clear. “SEX” is not the issue(get your mind out of the gutter. Reproduction is natural and the idea of selfishness doesn’t apply. Whether we reproduce on this side of the international date line or the other is irrelevant except that because of how we manage the planet it has different consequences.

Very few people can abstain form sex, including these people who have strange theories about reproduction. While we are on the topic of those individuals, I would say they are probably just humans trying to justify the choices they have made in life. Don’t we all do that? I certainly hope they don’t have any moral issue that runs pathologically about who of us is having children.

One more thought came to mind. I bet some of this anti- reproduction people have all sorts of theories about pendng calamities. It seems some do worry a lot, peak oil, greenhouse gases. How do they know that the catastrophe that his us first won’t leave us glad that there was a large population in Africa and a “first” world country like the U.S? They don’t because their agenda is not about thinking it through but rather self-righteously defending their own individual psychology inspired behavior behavior(not having kids or not enjoying it). They really act like GOD or at least they think they are GOD. I am not saying every body who doesn’t have kids or doesn’t like their kids does this, only the ones who are conflicted about it.

[NotCranky]

Marion I did remark that my comments there were extremist. This was for the purpose of illustration. I think that was clear. “SEX” is not the issue(get your mind out of the gutter. Reproduction is natural and the idea of selfishness doesn’t apply. Whether we reproduce on this side of the international date line or the other is irrelevant except that because of how we manage the planet it has different consequences.

Very few people can abstain form sex, including these people who have strange theories about reproduction. While we are on the topic of those individuals, I would say they are probably just humans trying to justify the choices they have made in life. Don’t we all do that? I certainly hope they don’t have any moral issue that runs pathologically about who of us is having children.

One more thought came to mind. I bet some of this anti- reproduction people have all sorts of theories about pendng calamities. It seems some do worry a lot, peak oil, greenhouse gases. How do they know that the catastrophe that his us first won’t leave us glad that there was a large population in Africa and a “first” world country like the U.S? They don’t because their agenda is not about thinking it through but rather self-righteously defending their own individual psychology inspired behavior behavior(not having kids or not enjoying it). They really act like GOD or at least they think they are GOD. I am not saying every body who doesn’t have kids or doesn’t like their kids does this, only the ones who are conflicted about it.

[NotCranky]

Marion I did remark that my comments there were extremist. This was for the purpose of illustration. I think that was clear. “SEX” is not the issue(get your mind out of the gutter. Reproduction is natural and the idea of selfishness doesn’t apply. Whether we reproduce on this side of the international date line or the other is irrelevant except that because of how we manage the planet it has different consequences.

Very few people can abstain form sex, including these people who have strange theories about reproduction. While we are on the topic of those individuals, I would say they are probably just humans trying to justify the choices they have made in life. Don’t we all do that? I certainly hope they don’t have any moral issue that runs pathologically about who of us is having children.

One more thought came to mind. I bet some of this anti- reproduction people have all sorts of theories about pendng calamities. It seems some do worry a lot, peak oil, greenhouse gases. How do they know that the catastrophe that his us first won’t leave us glad that there was a large population in Africa and a “first” world country like the U.S? They don’t because their agenda is not about thinking it through but rather self-righteously defending their own individual psychology inspired behavior behavior(not having kids or not enjoying it). They really act like GOD or at least they think they are GOD. I am not saying every body who doesn’t have kids or doesn’t like their kids does this, only the ones who are conflicted about it.

[NotCranky]

Marion I did remark that my comments there were extremist. This was for the purpose of illustration. I think that was clear. “SEX” is not the issue(get your mind out of the gutter. Reproduction is natural and the idea of selfishness doesn’t apply. Whether we reproduce on this side of the international date line or the other is irrelevant except that because of how we manage the planet it has different consequences.

Very few people can abstain form sex, including these people who have strange theories about reproduction. While we are on the topic of those individuals, I would say they are probably just humans trying to justify the choices they have made in life. Don’t we all do that? I certainly hope they don’t have any moral issue that runs pathologically about who of us is having children.

One more thought came to mind. I bet some of this anti- reproduction people have all sorts of theories about pendng calamities. It seems some do worry a lot, peak oil, greenhouse gases. How do they know that the catastrophe that his us first won’t leave us glad that there was a large population in Africa and a “first” world country like the U.S? They don’t because their agenda is not about thinking it through but rather self-righteously defending their own individual psychology inspired behavior behavior(not having kids or not enjoying it). They really act like GOD or at least they think they are GOD. I am not saying every body who doesn’t have kids or doesn’t like their kids does this, only the ones who are conflicted about it.

[NotCranky]

I already gave my reason for not sweating the per kid carbon foot print. Peak oil doesn’t bother me either.

This statement by Arraya is interesting.I don’t feel it lays out anything dismal except that it causes fear for its extremism.

“So in terms of carrying capacity of the earth which was passed back in the late 40s to early 70s according to most experts in the field, one could only conclude that breeding is the most environmentally irresponsible, selfish thing a couple can do especially in the 1st world. Unless you think your life is more important than poor 3rd world people. In that case breed away it will just kill off people in countries that we exploit for resources and compete for
food with.”

One could also say that people who are in a place where they can’t feed themselves and are breeding just to die of hunger and famine induced massacres are selfish.What can uneducated people dieing of starvation sucking minerals out of the mud in the local riverbead do for evolution and the advancement of technology, which may at this phase of human existence pratically be the same thing?

It seems less selfish to create children in a civilization where they might actually have the opportunity to further technology and therefore possibly affect the opportunity for people to thrive well into the future and answer anything nature presents including the possible need to take our evolution off the planet and into the universe on a ever widening basis or a million other life preserving technologies not yet advanced.

Just thought I would present an alternate extremist view.Now you all go make some babies.

Of course I do not agree with abandoning Africa or any other people of any country of the world and technology is also a curse in many ways. I think there may be some middle ground to find on these two extremist theories.

Back to the frightening part of such views as Arrya expressed…What is frightening is the self righteousness on these types of issues and the political swarming around them. These are the types of wacko theories that drive barbaric policies like democracy in the middle east, murder of babies by gender, slavery, the inquistion, or the holocaust.

Peace.

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