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Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]I prefer men to women.[/quote]
All men or just certain men? Like, what if you had a chance to hang out with Scott Peters vs. Miranda Kerr (my son considers her synonymous with “perfect”). And you seem to have married a woman . . . right?[/quote]
average woman v. Average man. However men don’t like me. Too weird. Women like me. I might be more like a woman[/quote]
Quit saying football is stupid and questioning the military and men will love you.
I just learned to shut-up and pretend their cars are awesome. I like my new found popularity.Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar][quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar]Little girl to little boy, show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
Young lady to young man, show me your career and I’ll show you my mine, (see double entendre)[/quote]
I may have lost my funny bone, but you have some issues with women.[/quote]
LOL! Of course I do! I used to have more.[/quote]
Not sure if you have a daughter – that always seems to soften men up who have woman issues.[/quote]
The pain in my own soul is enough to keep me trying for improvement.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]I believe my overall sexiness is pretty overwhelming.
But I’m not sure what the first link is to? I wanna read.[/quote]
The first link is just to a yahoo search result that shows lots of hits to the topic. The link works for me. Lots of reading.
For reading , You could work off the wiki link on Warren Farrell for a long time . I like to put in the names of books and read the reviews on Amazon. Pretty good discussions.
The book I read in 1988 is “why men are the way they are” It was fresh out of the oven first run. I was 26 .
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar]http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=men+are+success+objects%3F
The first link discussion is centered around some ideas expressed by the famous and highly regarded former board member of The NYC chapter of NOW, Warren Farrell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell
It’s nice when one of the books you have read and really got something out of, the author of said book, and his subsequent books, have stood up to the test of time.
Sorry, he is a man, I really apologize for that, but his work is highly acclaimed by some women too!
I know times are changing but I look around and see some familiar patterns as apparently do a lot other piggs. Hot women never go out of style, for instance.[/quote]
Wait, other than the apologizing for him being a man, I was interested in what you had to say, until you said “Hot women never go out of style, for instance.” The obvious retort is “Neither do rich men.” And then we’re right back where we started.
When I met my husband, we did the same job and earned the same, with the same education. Because he wanted me to relocate, and because we wanted to have kids soon after marriage (both of us were in our 30s), and because we both thought our kids would do best with a stay at home parent, we decided that I would stay home. I deliberately developed a well paying career, beginning in college, out of fear of being influenced by someone else’s paycheck. I out-earned most of the guys I dated.
I feel like I’ve followed my values – I may not have a funny bone (although I think I’m a stitch), but not all women are out for a success object.[/quote]
I guess “hot women are still in style” doesn’t translate to “sexual objectification of women is alive and well”? That’s what it means. The apologizing for it being a male is for she who’s name can not be mentioned. How does a little silliness make something interesting uninteresting ?
ParticipantI think I traded my life for some success and an nice craft beer collection.
Participant[quote=flu]No way man. I’m a miserable failure![/quote]
Not true my friend, but if it were true, would anyone ever have loved you other than your mother? Um Forget I said that , she’s Asian right?Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar]Little girl to little boy, show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
Young lady to young man, show me your career and I’ll show you my mine, (see double entendre)[/quote]
I may have lost my funny bone, but you have some issues with women.[/quote]
LOL! Of course I do! I used to have more.
ParticipantDon’t blame the feminists, when a bunch of women 20-24 years old start having babies. They are not even old enough to have families in this day and age.
OTOH, it’s simply time to start paying those single mothers some serious cash so they can stay home and make what they deserve. No cheesy ebt ,were talking 100K minimum . Society is really dropping the ball on this one.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]CAr, one minute you’re a feminist, and the next min you wish feminists would rot in hell.
You complain a lot about the past and present fate of women… but think about it a moment.
Women have the uterus and the eggs… they don’t need men. They can buy the best quality sperm for cheap; and in today’s tech world, they could cast men aside. Pretty soon, they could control the whole economy and write their own tickets.
By wanting to be a housewife, you’re giving men power. So stop bitching.[/quote]
Most men don’t have much power by virtue of having a job. People with power hire and/ or don’t need jobs. In a household, power is probably more expressed by who spends the money than who earns it.[/quote]
Power is expressed by who controls the money. That goes in every relationship, including employer/employee. Rarely is the person who isn’t earning a wage the one who has total control over the money. They might have a say, but rarely ever total control. OTOH, there are many wage earners who feel as though every penny earned is 100% theirs, and they often feel that they are doing a favor to those who do the unpaid labor.[/quote]
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]CAr, one minute you’re a feminist, and the next min you wish feminists would rot in hell.
You complain a lot about the past and present fate of women… but think about it a moment.
Women have the uterus and the eggs… they don’t need men. They can buy the best quality sperm for cheap; and in today’s tech world, they could cast men aside. Pretty soon, they could control the whole economy and write their own tickets.
By wanting to be a housewife, you’re giving men power. So stop bitching.[/quote]
Most men don’t have much power by virtue of having a job. People with power hire and/ or don’t need jobs. In a household, power is probably more expressed by who spends the money than who earns it.
ParticipantLittle girl to little boy, show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
Young lady to young man, show me your career and I’ll show you my mine, (see double entendre)
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar] The woman will eventually marry a pilot or nerd or banker who might not even be all that nice or interesting and can’t dance.[/quote]
I do have a bias in favor of achievement. It usually is the result of good work habits and at least moderate emotional stability. You refer to pilots and nerds and bankers as though they are, de facto, boring. The most boring dates I had were with guys who felt they hadn’t achieved enough so they had to reinvent/inflate their careers. And you’re right, whether someone is a good dancer is absolutely not an issue at all, as far as I’m concerned.[/quote]
They wouldn’t have had to rei-nflate their careers if they didn’t think you were looking at them as success objects? They probably hated themselves for giving into it after the date was over.
Your humor bone clearly fell out somewhere along the way. I don’t think women are wrong for those choices necessarily , it’s just a comparison of trends.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=joec]I think what this all shows is that society in general clearly values beauty. We can tell ourselves that it doesn’t matter and it’s whats in the inside that counts the most, but that’s just ugly people trying to make themselves feel better.
Every study has shown that more attractive people get better opportunities, get hired more, higher pay, you name it…
Does it suck? Sure, if you’re not high on the looks scale, but that’s how it’s always been and I don’t see it ever changing.
Regarding how people are even if you know them, it still boils down to what people look since everyone can see if without knowing a thing about someone…
I found this article funny when it was first posted…goes back to the reality in society that looks matter a lot, most of the time, more than whatever you do or are good in, especially for girls/women.
I do think I tend to care less about other people’s looks than average, but I’ll leave that aside for the moment. In terms overall public perception, looks appear to matter a lot for men as well, but height and build are at the top of the list. The weight issue is important to both sexes. Interesting article below that estimates the income (with respect to both sexes) necessary to overcome physical traits perceived to be less desirable:
A good looking,interesting, nice mannered, poor man , honest but less than hyper ambitious has a ton of pull with young women from families of middle class and upper middle class means , but the young lady will be have been preemptively dissuaded from taking a trophy husband because men are seen as success objects as much as women get the sex object thing. The woman will eventually marry a pilot or nerd or banker who might not even be all that nice or interesting and can’t dance.
ParticipantThere is nothing sacred about the absentee bread winner stay at home parent paradigm, in fact it is a pretty bad one . It’s also very new and If the old school feminists did some good things, bringing that into question was one of them.
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