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Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=poorgradstudent]Tangental, I’ve read that the whole stereotype of “rich, successful guy marrying his hot young secretary” is basically a dead trend. Successful men for the most part want to marry successful women. It’s actually part of why the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor in this country, as most people tend to marry a partner from their same general income bracket.[/quote]
coming home from walking the dog on the beach this morning I listened to an NPR story about how rare the trophy wife really is.Yes there are beautiful women married to rich men. – But if you dig deeper, those beautiful women are often wealthy in their own right. Outside of the blatent examples like Anna Nicole Smith, it’s really much less common that you’d think – to the point of being rare.
The radio piece had a lot of discussion with a sociologist about this – she basically restated the idea in the other thread – people marry at their own level. She pointed out that rich people are more comfortable around other rich people. Beautiful people tend to be more comfortable with other beautiful people. So the trophy wife stereotype has a rich guy marrying someone poor – which is unusual, and a beautiful woman marrying someone not attractive – which is also unusual… so that combo really makes it rare.[/quote]
I’ll concede to a lot of that. Age comes into play. Maybe this is rarer than I think also, but the guys who take foreign women not their race or education and income level seem to take younger women pretty often.
ParticipantI am impressed watching how fast the shine fades from people. Most my kids parents are younger, so I was meeting them and seeing them taking kids to kindergarten when they were 30-35ish. They looked so great.
7 years has knocked quite a bit off. Not saying people turned ugly like Dorian Grey. A lot of people are holding it together , but peaking in poise and beauty at 30 and showing signs of having been on the downward slide for several years at 40 is scary.It does happen faster with poor people in general but these aren’t poor people and it’s getting them.
Some pretty drastic cases even when there is no weight gain.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar]The light went on about mormonism yesterday, One success object is good enough for 20 women. Are mormon children getting taller?[/quote]
Probably. The gene for blue eyes did not arise until about 6000 years ago. Now 20% of the population has blue eyes. Considering that there isn’t a very clear evolutionary advantage for blue eyes (although there is a mild one for those living in northern areas), it is interesting to see the genetic gains blue-eyed people have made in a relatively short period of time. So if there was a active polygynous group (which there kind of is, even outside the Mormon community) it would be likely that the children arising from that group would get taller. Of course, that assumes that our species hasn’t maxed out on its height potential.[/quote]
The blue eyes run a lot in Catholics. That could be part of it, high birth rates.
One data point. My parents made 8 blue eyed kids.ParticipantDo men abandon their families or are they officially or defacto expelled from them? A little of both but historically, modern times though a lot of the latter. Women against 50/50 are the expellers, as is the government. Less government influence in involuntary dis-equal custody rights is better.
Here is one example,http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-05-18/news/1992139210_1_unintended-consequences-poor-families-social-welfare-policies
When I was a young man I met a lot of men who were expelled from their homes and had never done anything wrong but either not be wanted by their mates anymore or not want them. That would tend to emotional stunt someone. He is now a slave with difficult access to caring for and protecting his kids the woman is possibly with a new man she hooked up with before she the old one out.
There was a song about it. “She got the goldmine I got the shaft”.
I am sure there is much more to this than meets the eye but none of it will make women better than men.
Being any absentee bread winner is a little like being expelled from your home(kids). Doing that with the risk that the courts would guarantee your expulsionin in the case of a dissolution of the marriage wouldn’t feel very powerful at all.
ParticipantHave a cigar you’re gonna go far.
Welcome to the machine. I hate cigar smoking.ParticipantThe light went on about mormonism yesterday, One success object is good enough for 20 women. Are mormon children getting taller?
ParticipantLove is a polygynous primate battlefield. (Pat Benatar left out some words)
ParticipantWarren Farrell dumped NOW over the 50/50 but is still highly regarded by great women. Thank god there is a struggle to be reasonable on custody.
I don’t have a problem with what he is saying. He is a great man in this field thus far and incredibly brave. Amazing that the PC police have not yet ruined him.
Even Bertrand Russell Was wrong about some things . Everybody great is wrong about some things. Plus this guy Warren has some issues with women Because we all have issues with this stuff. Shere Hite clearly had some issues with men and made mistakes and was not a fraction as useful as Warren Farrell. Still I don’t throw out the contributions she made because my mind is not so weak as to only tolerate a 100% palatable message.
NO=ambivalence in many case , would you put a huge freight train on the tracks get it up to 60 miles and hour and jump in front of it if you were ambivalent about getting hit.
When a female is with a a male in heavy petting or has her hand down his pants and he has advanced that far as well, Is still arousing him and saying no, her strongest feeling is ambivalence. What she is really ambivalent about is whether she wants the man to be linked to her or not. She is partially responsible for still being in a mind frame of deciding this in front of a freight train she put on the tracks.Many times the encounter happens and unlike with a real train the woman lives to tell about…most the time she doesn’t though because she knows what she did.
Are there cases of terrible date rape , yes, but they don’t speak for the whole topic of “No”. I am not sure what yes means yes is about but I like the sound of it. I will teach my boys to be very leary of women who are ambivalent in the heat of passion , that was my way and it served me well. I will definitely tell them to be leary of women who are drinking or taking drugs. Be very leary of a woman who is in a position to have psychological problems over having sex with you.
I don’t know how wise the courts are in this wacked out schismatic country, but I am glad there are people like Warren helping them stay on track.
Ps the only time I ever saw anything REAL incest like it was a woman giving a Real mock blow job to her toddler son. Women suck their kids fingers all the time. Do they do it to boys more than girls? Warren just says let’s talk about this stuff.
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ParticipantIt appears that the consensus it that it is worth 30k or less. More for prima donna stay at home parents.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]The only thing I like about death is no more money worries.
Seems like men take failure to earn and support way more to heart than the ladies do.[/quote]
Men commit suicide a lot…this is possibly one of the main things.
ParticipantGood story, UCgal. You have a lot of grace.
I am sure that there are some hysterical women with some weird ideas of feminism and score settling teaching in liberal arts/ humanities too. Our boys are pretty sure to run into some like that.
ParticipantGlitch on uploading.
Haven’t read the book. I will look at it. I don’t like monty python. The first time I saw a Fish Called Wanda I liked it, but not later on.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=Blogstar]
I am sure you followed your values. Quick question, you out-earned most the men you dated and dumped….how about the one you married?[/quote]
As I mentioned in the post – same education, same job and roughly same earnings (within a few percent – I can’t remember anymore). Not surprisingly I met him through work (although we did not work together), we had graduated the same year, so we were roughly in lock step. I don’t think I “dumped” people, but just in case you think I was getting rid of the low earners, a couple of them were orthopedic surgery residents, who were on track to out earn me. So you can spin that as you like. There were others (engineers, etc. – nerds probably in your estimation, and overall poor dancers) who were not expected to have the same gains. You won’t believe me, but I like people who I think are interesting and honest and generally share my values. I also tend to like Irish guys.[/quote]
Not going to spin it , just looking for a data point on the topic. Good Job, UCgal too (based post on the other thread.) The dumping is a joke….maybe I will put jokes in italics until you find that bone you lost. One of the orthopedic guys could have come in handy there. One of the orthopedic guys could have come in handy there.
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